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I don't really care so long as it doesn't push the price up, but I don't really watch films much anymore so it would probably be wasted on me. I'd like to have access to crunchy roll though as I need to keep up to date with anime for work so that would be a bonus.

If this is true then they have to accept that some games will not sell as well as others and they need to consider that all their projects as a whole should support each other. Obviously, if a game is a real stinker then that's a different matter.

@thefourfoldroot UEFA has proposed a new version of the Champions League with 35 teams, but obviously this Super League has ruined that. Honestly, I think the 12 clubs going for the European Super League never really thought it would happen, I think they are trying to push for a higher share of the money from the new CL format.

It has spectacularly backfired though. There is going to be many large portions of humble pie guzzled up in the coming weeks.

@thefourfoldroot as it is, the top 4 teams in each league in Europe get into the European Champions League, which is worth a huge amount of money, based on merit. What these 12 teams have decided is that they will participate in their own version of a European competition midweek every year no matter how well or badly they perform the previous season, with only 5 teams being able to join them on merit. They basically want to fix it so they are guaranteed billions each season no matter what just because they say so.

No only that, they expect to stay in their own respective leagues whilst also taking away any incentive to compete for the other teams with no hope of aiming for European qualification. It's pretty rotten.

The most important thing here in my opinion is that we will still be able to update the games that need patches and download games we've paid money for.

There has to be some reassurance that we can trust them to provide access to our games and updates if they want us to invest in the digital future. I'm not sure I will ever be happy paying money for digital games, but the previous decision to close the store, with patches going AWOL, really killed any hope of me going digital outside of subs and free games.

I would love to see a bunch of classic ps 1,2 and 3 games. Stuff like parappa the rapper, kurushi, vib ribbon, metal gear solid 1,2 & 3, mgs4, resistance series. The sort of games I probably wouldn't pay money for again, but I'd like to have easy access to on my ps5.

I think I'm about halfway through this, but fell off a few years ago. Now I'm waiting for a 4k 60fps ps5 update. I really thought that would come with this, in time for the sequel.

All new PS exclusives will have one single platinum trophy called '£69.99'.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

The Olli Olli games are class!

@LordSteev that was kind of my point, but the truth is the game is too ambitious to run on last gen. They wanted the money and user base, but it's never going to run properly on PS4 and One X.

@ShogunRok it must be a bit of a headache trying to decide what to do with unfinished games and reviews these days, especially when there's such a demand for instant gratification and to stay relevant. I don't envy your position.

I think the hardline approach you took was the right one. It's either that or a 'Not fit for review' pending score which isn't very satisfying.

They should have just released the PC version then PS5 and X a year or so later in a proper state, dropping PS4 and One X. Alas, they chose to take the publicity hit and suck up the PS4 One X sales instead. The sales numbers show why they probably made the right decision in the short term.

@huntbearpig it depends if you plan to play it twice. I stopped playing in December after about 30 hours mainly messing about without doing the story stuff. Since last week I've gone back to play the story missions and it's been pretty good so far, but I plan to play it again one day with a different character with the PS5 update.

I've also played the game as a shotgun thug and just blasted my way through the game so I don't need to worry about stealth and ai nonsense. It's actually been a lot of fun this way. Hopefully the hacking and stealth stuff will be better with the next gen version.

The game is actually playable on PS5 now, dare I say it... good! I wonder if Pushsquare will revisit the review and score eventually.

I've put in quite a bit of time with the game these past two weeks and all I can say is it's almost a gaming tragedy it was released in the state it was.

The police and civilians are still a joke, but if you ignore them, a lot of the game is really good. I still think much of the base mechanics and systems are outdated, but there are some really great stories going on. Such a shame, but at least I'm finally enjoying it.

This is why you collect Nintendo and buy Playstation games on the cheap and move on. Sony's offerings have always been seen by me as throwaway experiences since PS2. This move has simple justified my approach to Sony products since they started releasing barely finished games that required patches to even be playable later on.

They really needed to confirm that game patches will be indefinitely accessible to change this attitude, instead it seems they've done the opposite. All this does is make their games even less valuable to me going forward.

If you can put a whale like me off paying for new releases you've done something seriously wrong. I just cannot see any way they don't reconsider the pricing outside the US.

I replayed it for the Platinum trophy last year in the run up to TLOU2 and it still holds up. I really don't see the point creatively, but it's easy money so I understand why they would want to make it.

I won't be buying any games new on PS5, so this poll doesn't really have any relevance to me. Switch games new, PS5 secondhand for me this gen. I'm sure I'd play it eventually once I can find it cheap secondhand.

Wow, OK. The game's not amazing or anything, but a 4 seems almost personal haha. Different strokes and all that I guess. I'm about halfway through and would say it's a solid 6 possible 7 if it gets better towards the end. Judging the comments though I'm clearly in the minority.

Strange, maybe I'm being more lenient cause I haven't played a game like this for a long time, so it feels fairly fresh in a way and it came with the sub.

Mind Pong 99

Bluepoint remade Demon's Souls from the same generation and did a great job, so why not I guess. It does feel like we're going round in circles a bit though, is it really that hard to find new creatives with some new ideas?

The generation is becoming a confusing mess for me. I want to support new ideas like Returnal this month, but then I refuse to pony up the new prices. Then we hear arguments about new ideas being too risky and not selling.

@Medic_Alert I wouldn't take my offhand speculation too seriously, but to not see how MS benefit from this game and its exclusivity on PS5 being brushed away with the Autumn rush of releases is a bit blinkered.

The game gets a lacklustre release on PS5 and forgotten about then MS get to roll out the red carpet for its gamepass release, with new content most likely, and boast about how much they love and appreciate games like Deathloop. Again, I'm commenting offhand with my first impression.

Being so close to release, tinfoil hat firmly in place, I can't help but think there's been some external pressure to delay this game to a busier period by Microsoft in order to lessen its impact on the PS platform. If I was Sony, I would force them to delay it until early next year when they need a game to fill a gap.

Got to feel a bit sorry for Sony, they helped fund two unusual games that would probably have never been made otherwise and now Microsoft has bought up both studios, with Zenimax, that have been working closely with them and had access to all their tech and dev kits for a long time. MS really are going for the jugular this gen.

@4kgk2 I mean... I'm not going to disagree with you that given the choice of universal healthcare or cheaper entertainment, I'd pick universal healthcare.

I was just explaining why people are complaining about the price of games this gen so much. Honestly, I don't think it will go away until there is a larger user base on PS5 and the prices can come back down to something close to reasonable. As someone who can afford £70, it's hit a point where I just cannot justify paying that much for a piece of entertainment, it's just not right.

It'll be interesting to see the reaction when they come back and say that they have to raise the US prices in parity with the rest of the world, cause it's only 'fair' or something like that.

@4kgk2 Most of the complaints aren't directly against this game but the £70/80€ price outside of the US in general. As it's mainly a UK website we're a bit miffed that we have to pay 95$+ for our games with a massive jump (25$) in new game prices compared to the minimal 10$ in the US.

Barren Blunderbland more like.

Seeing as the whole event is essentially one big advert, especially now it's all online, going free seems a sensible decision.

Wow, one of the most sensible decisions yet... why did it take so long?

Yakuza like a dragon, hitman 3 and godfall have been cheaper than this for the past month or more on most online retailers and even Amazon in some cases. The digital eco-system just seems like a way to trick people out of their money to me by offering falsely inflated prices to begin with. Digital future ftw! Games can become cheaper without a physical production cost etc... Blah blah blah... Bah humbug... Mumble mumble...

Going back to it after three months away with the update has only really highlighted just how average the game is at a base level sadly. I'll play it through eventually, but the fact that some reviewers gave this game a 9 out of 10, even on pc, and with all the bugs is pretty embarrassing.

@Waffles12415 I think it'll be the same size if it follows the previous updates. They seem to replace the old files with new ones. You do need the extra space to initially download the update though, which is a bit annoying.

@PlayNation5 not really, I've got Resident Evil 8 for £46 and switch games are still reasonably priced. I'll just carry on sending my money that way until I'm a year behind the PS5 exclusive curve.

The writing is on the wall though, I think I'll probably end up going for the PC/Nintendo combo after PS5. With all the negative press and silly pricing I wonder if Sony might be in for a pretty rough ride this generation.

This is a fun article! Resident Evil has been a big part of my gaming life and I've got high hopes for Village after the demo. Capcom really have provided so many great games over the years and have seriously been knocking it out of the park recently.

@theMEGAniggle I wouldn't buy any game for £70, it's an absolutely ridiculous price to charge for a game. The only thing that would tempt me is any new game from Hidetaka Miyazaki, but that's because I know I'll be playing it for years on and off. Even then I would be reluctant and do my best to find it closer to £60.

@theMEGAniggle I think in my case it more about the principle. The most I paid for a new game last gen was £50 for Red Dead Redemption 2 at a midnight launch. To suddenly be expected to pay an extra £20 in the least extreme case smarts. I've gone from someone who bought pretty much all of the 1st party games on release at £45 to now not buying anything new in approaching six months when Resident Evil 8 comes out in May. Usually, I'd buy one game a month so long as there was something I wanted to play.

I really don't understand Sony's strategy this gen, they are simultaneously giving away a load of games and raising the price of new releases by a huge amount. All this has done has put me off spending any money at all for what could be the first whole year of the PS5's life.

The game does look good and I'd love to be part of the conversation when it is released, but I have to stick to my guns. £55 is my limit for new games and I'll be firm with that rule. It's a great shame that the new gen has been essentially classed with a new tier of price. By the time new PS5 games become a reasonable price the hype will be gone and I'll probably just wait till they're even cheaper or included with plus.

This will also have a negative impact on media engagement too as far fewer people will be able to join in with the general discourse of new releases and will probably stop watching and reading most of the content and articles attached to them.

Surely they could just add an update that allows you to switch trophies off.

Greed indeed.

After a few minutes I easily adjust back to 30fps, but 60fps is a nice luxury. The most important thing is a stable framerate at either. It seems like most people who go on about 60fps being the be all and end all just use it to try and make other people who don't have it feel bad.

There are some games I actively prefer at 30fps too, such as horror games or RPGs as it helps make them feel more cinematic instead of like a cheap TV movie. Fighting, action and racing games are noticeably better with 60fps though.

I really want them to give an option to change the text colour and background in the logs. The current one gave me this weird burn in effect when I looked away from the screen.

I haven't played it since December and was waiting for this patch to pick it up again, I hope there's more to it than this 😕

Athia sounds like a game that will succeed, Forspoken sounds like a game that will fail. I don't know why, it just feels that way.

@Dezzy70 It's possible that Insomniac could have made another Sunset Overdrive for MS, but I'm pretty sure most of their other games were completely funded by Sony and Spiderman was never going anywhere but PS.

I understand MS and why they would be stupid to not make BS game exclusive, but it just seems a bit off for people to celebrate others not getting games they were looking forward to. This comes from someone who fell of BS games hard after Skyrim too.

Honestly, I think Sony's worst move was to start going for timed exclusives. This benefits no one in the end and has put MS in a position where they felt like they needed to make a move like buying BS.

@Dezzy70 This is a little different though. Sony and Nintendo made most of their exclusives from scratch with no suggestion of the games ever releasing anywhere else.

It's odd to see Xbox users so ecstatic about essentially getting a load of games they would have got either way. The only real change is that it looks like a load of people won't get those games as well now. Whatever way you look at it Microsoft are simply taking something away from the industry, not adding to it.

This is not about Returnal costing the same as other games, it's about all games as standard costing 80€/£70 (essentially $95) outside of the US. I've got nothing against Housemarque and think their game looks great, but no game should cost that much money.

I thought that going digital was supposed to bring the prices down in general. Instead you've got the PS5 version of FF7 Remake up on the store for £69.99-84.99. Give an inch they take a mile, we've only got our selves to blame as gamers for encouraging all the little extras and whatnot. It's a losing battle, but I'll continue to voice my displeasure with the situation.

@LiamCroft that maybe so, but this is one article we know 100% will be seen by the devs and possibly Sony. The pricing in EU/UK is wonky and they need to reconsider it.

@LiamCroft your entering some dangerous territory here. Why even have a comments section if you want to control what the community is allowed to discuss? Hate speech and abuse is one thing, but discussing the main factor into whether we're going to buy the game in question or not because it's overpriced is another. This is the perfect chance for us to express our feelings about the price hike to the devs and Sony.

It's either this for £70 (to be fair it can be found for £65) or RE Village for £45, no contest really. They must be secretly a little pi$$ed off with Sony for lumbering them with such a high price.

It's strange, all the games coming out cost more yet look worth less. There's not anything there that I'd consider for over £30. At least there's RE Village in May and Abe's Generic Title I've Already Forgotten will be a nice + game in April.

There's lots of strange contradictions going on with this game. You need PS+ to play it and it's been given away with the sub already, so surely nearly everyone who had a passing interest in this already has it in their library. Yet, now they want to gate any new subs with a price for a game that will desperately need as many people playing as possible to keep it going. The pricing, release and marketing for this has been all over the place.

If you do pay for it you should at least get everything that's behind the gross currency as part of that.

The main issue for me is it's hard to be excited for games coming when I now know that I won't get to play any of them until basically a year after release. The new price hike has ensured that all hype I have for any PS5 games has to be severely tempered. Because of this a state of play really doesn't offer me much no matter what they show.

Pathless on PS5 would be cool, it's just gone down in price too which could be an indication. Sony have created a strange situation where I won't buy games anymore cause I'm worried they'll be on PS+. I won't buy the cheaper games for this reason and I won't buy the games at £70 either. Most of my budget goes on switch games while I play cheap PS4 and sub games on PS5. I hope for their sake I'm in the minority.