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These figures are obscene and that business model is not sustainable in the slightest. They will have to massively increase subscriber numbers and the cost of Game Pass to sustain it.

@elpardo1984 What have Sony done? Paid for exclusivity, that’s all, they may have bought some studios but not many, and I think Bungie was their biggest purchase! And that was solely on the agreement all their games can be multiplat. There has been nothing stopping MS from out bidding Sony on exclusivity deals, nothing! And yet they year after year after the 360 just never bothered, and now to catch up they are just buying the biggest studios in the business with the biggest games titles, and if they weren’t forced to they would make them all exclusive too.

So whilst I agree Sony may have performed some questionable acts in the last, paying for exclusivity is a long way from buying the entire studio making the game! And a HELL of a lot more expensive. One way takes some games from other platforms, the other takes ALL games from other platforms.

My Series X is literally boxed up, waiting for me to package it in a brown box, weigh it for postage costs and put it on eBay, because I am sick of the forced ads on it and Starfield is just meh. Reading the news of a digital only online required only future with the brand just cements my decision. Think I’ll go PS5 and Nintendos next console. Quality gaming.

But also reading about the fact they seriously considered buying Nintendo do is frightening, it would destroy Ninty and cause irreparable damage to the entire games market and the consumers would lose out big time, hey but at least it would be a ‘career moment’ for Spencer right? Microsoft hasn’t changed at all, even with new leadership they are still as monopolistic as ever in their mindset.

I laughed when Apple showed this, love the iPhone etc but no, leave the big games off the 6.1” screen please, even the Switch Lite feels a much better gaming device then the iPhone does.

@elpardo1984 And the best way to support consumers is to block mergers, as they do nothing other then to reduce competition, impact innovation, and only line the pockets of share holders and executives more whilst losing talent from the industry as inevitably people are laid off after a merger.

So basically Phil has visions of having a total monopoly over PC and Console global gaming market. Kinda why I sided with the CMA and its stance against the ActiBliz buy out. But I do not think they will ever be allowed to buy Nintendo unless they force the share holders to sell and likewise with Valve, but this does give a glimpse of the monopolistic mindset they have. They seriously need to just invest those billions into their current studios, and make some damn games.

So if this has ray tracing at 60, is it a PS5 only game? Or was it also developed for the PS4?

@Oz_Momotaro Well the PS5 is huge, do rat need a Peo, just the slim model like they have done for every generation. They don’t need to launch an 8” mobile device to stream your games to either but here we are.

@sanderson72 Need those Unreal Engine 5 games to hit.

Why don’t they announce the new PS5 already, the rumoured slightly smaller one with removable disk drive. Get a Christmas boost. And don’t choose the same day as a Nintendo direct as Ninty have a ton of first party games in the wings they can announce today.

Whilst Game Pass Ultimate paid for monthly is a lot more expensive, you can find deals that make it much cheaper for a year then Sonys service and even more so now. I've never seen deals on Sonys service though.

The market for this is so niche, I can’t see it lasting more then 2 years in production, we will see though. I mean I would say it’s totally pointless if you use your PS5 controller with an iPad for instance and remote play. I can understand why Sony hasn’t made another real portable system though, as it’s MUCH simpler having one platform, and Nintendo kinda dominate the mobile console space.
I have a Steam Deck and a Switch Lite I just got second hand, and the Switch is instantly a better system for me, but yes you lose a lot of power then.

@SillyBoyJudas If it works over WiFi outside your home. That would make sense if it does. However as it’s WiFi only, I have a feeling it’ll be expensive. Because otherwise surely they would have priced it accordingly to offer a 5G version as well? If it does work outside the house on WiFi as you suggest then it becomes a bit more useful. Still it’ll be a bit bulky I think looking at that design and an 8” screen.

Looks awful looks cheap, literally like some modder made it and posted it on You Tube, hey look what I did with my Sony tablet and Dual Sense. And only PS5 games over WiFi? Why? It serves a minuscule market at best. Looks like a total waste of time and money in R&D IMO.
I had a Vita but sold it, it's alright but was a bit meh to me. I much prefer my PSP which I still have. But Sony totally missed a trick here, the handheld market is on FIRE right now and will only get bigger, and they came out with this thing? They could have easily made a Vita 2 and the world have gone nuts.

That was truly awful. Everyone expected Metal Gear and Final Fantasy, Spider Man 2 graphically looked like a PS4 game and they showed the entire game nearly. And who the hell is going to buy a PS5 only streaming device? Who??. Marathon was the only exciting game and that’s been know about for ages.

Hmm hardly any games that I'm interested in. A literal handful of exclusives. No Unreal Engine 5 games?

@thefourfoldroot1 Thats the beauty of Game Pass, it has a huge difference in genre of games. No one will play everything on it as it won’t suit all your tastes. As for big AAA games recently, that’s a trap, but the fact is they DO release them, all, day and date. Sony does not. And then it has all the Bethesda games on it for instance so Fallout etc.

Sony has a habit of closing its studios. It’s. It good at all them doing this. They should be using that studios talent for other things not firing them!

No, it isn’t better, it’s good I’ll give it that, but PlayStations service will only ever match Game Pass when they offer the big AAA games day and date, not a year later. Game Pass has had some incredible indie games on it Sony hasn’t got.

@Chaosbros Exactly, but sadly they are obsessed with making everything a service now. But I only really care about Gears Of War and State Of Decay. At least one of those is getting a sequel at some point, but I'll buy those games. All I've really played in Game Pass are brilliant indie games like Deliver Us The Moon or The Gunk. That's where I've found value and I haven't played a lot either.

I should add personally I have played a handful of games from Game Pass and they've been great, but none have been MS ones, I've tried Forza and Halo and then kinda stopped playing them. Gears is the one series I love and I played that one, it would be the one game to keep me on Xbox but there is no news of any new one coming.
Quick Resume has been Xbox's most redeeming feature to be honest. That works brilliantly. So I'll probably keep my Series X and get a PS5 Slim and find time for both. But I won't be buying another Xbox.

His last answer has nearly concreted my decision to sell my Series X and move to PS5. It's obvious he and Microsoft are fully committed to turning Xbox to a service now and not a platform, they'll put more resources into Xcloud and Game Pass. The reason games have been running better on PS5 is because Xbox introduces an entirely new development platform this gen. Sony just updated their old one. Add that to Phil's 'hands off' approach to studios including their own, and you can see what games have struggled, teams aren't experienced enough to utilise the new toolsets and platform but isn't providing the support they need to.
Sony is actively going to studios including third party ones and helping them optimise games for its platform.

And then he said we can't make a 11 out of 10 Starfield game. We want our creators to be creative! So they can make any crap they like and not chase decent review scores?

One of my favourite games this gen, and the one that helped nudge me towards Xbox is in PS5, The Ascent, and a lot of others I like too are so I'm going 'back' to PlayStation, I only have time for one console. Maybe a Switch too, and that won't be Xbox moving forward.

Read between the lines and look at Microsoft's business model and I doubt they'll have a console next gen. I also doubt here in the UK they will get ActiBliz either, but having learnt the huge share of cloud streaming services MS has a grip on I'm not surprised. MS must have known that and that it would be a stumbling block.
I would say they need to stop buying the biggest games studios and put more effort into what they have, but as Phil showed here that's not their business model now.

@Lexluther23 In August 2021 Sony announced the PS5 disk edition was no longer being sold at a loss:

http://www.theverge.com/2021/8/4/22609150/sony-playstation-5-ps5-loss-profit

I’ll be surprised if the digital edition doesn’t also sell at a profit now too.

@TheMightyImp2 It was God awful, didn’t improve much, a bit but not a massive difference, and it sounded like Concorde taking off every time you used it. Glad to see the back of mine when I sold it. Kept my OG model instead.

It seems stupid to me to do this if it’s true, the PS5 just like the XSX have not been pushed to their limits at all! The only reasonable next gen game so far was the Dead Space remake, and only one game Ratchet seems to have used the PS5 SSD to its advantage.
How about they knock out tens of actual next gen games first that push the PS5 before launching a Pro model? But I don’t believe this rumour anyway. Only one I believe is the PS5 Slim.
And that fact any PS5 Pro will ,illegal cost 600 plus in the UK also makes it seem bogus.

@SamMR Because the UK market is huge with billions and a key strategic one too. It’s considered to be vitally important and it’s why MS and Activision apparently said if it doesn’t pass in the UK, US or EU then they won’t go through with it as these are the three markets they make their money from.

I think Microsoft should have never tried to buy Activision Blizzard and instead used its money to sort out its existing studios, and make decent games and actually release them! Not release 30FPS rushed games because Game Pass needs constant content.

I’m switching to PS5. Given up waiting for Xbox games and I can stream the ones I want anyway. They aren’t managing their existing studios well, extra power means nothing without decent content to use it. Just debating on disk or digital PS5?

When I heard that MS has 60 to 70% of global games services market I agreed with the CMA’s decision. MS are trying to monopolise that market for sure.

Thank God, back to the story at hand moving it along. Not a pointless love story that doesn’t seem to do anything for the main story? And was completely different to the game. Still the connection between Joel and Ellie feels nice existent to forced and synthetic at the moment. Very odd seeing more of the older Ellie personality in the younger Ellie in the show.

Nintendo is sold around 1.5 million more Switch OLED models in half the time it's taken Sony to sell 2.2 million. I would be be celebrating that number one spot, with rumours of the Switch replacement being announced this year. And Zelda 2 coming.

Joel is cast well, Ellie is cast well and she’s really captured the game characters attitude. No idea why they changed the race of Joel’s daughter? She’s only in it for 15 minutes. But so far it’s great, exactly like the game pretty much, not sure why I expected anything else lol. Looking forward to them killing off Joel… hate TLOU2, maybe I should play it again to see if I like it anymore? This she is going to make me want to play the first game again too haha. TLOU and Uncharted are the only reasons I have a PS.

@SolaceCreed The industry as a whole has made record profits recently, I think both due to the pandemic but also due to a new generation launch. Even with scalpers and both consoles being rarer then a 2 ton diamond!

@Ravix The FTC president is a crazy democrat, who seems to literally hate large successful corporations no matter who they are. She has blocked several large deals, and I believe several were challenged in court and the FTC lost, they are going out of their remit and policies due to the presidents actions. Latest reports are due to this history they are split on the deal, and in all probability to save themselves further embarrassment they'll let it through.

@DefiledViper When you state 'gaming' like everyone else here, you are exclusively talking about 'PlayStation Gaming', because Nintendo has the most successful console of last gen and this gen currently on sale without any COD game what so ever. So please remember that small fact.

@thefourfoldroot1 I can tell your delusion by claiming MS is working on a monopoly. They make a profit on Game Pass you know as do the developers. It comes from the massive number of subscribers. Sony are making a profit on every PS5, they have done for about a year now, this price increase will only further that profit margin. But hey you defend it like you are, heaven forbid you’d ever criticise Sony for ‘anything’. And Nintendo have been making a profit and outselling everyone for several years now, so yet again your argument is not really valid.
And Sony has the monopoly in effect by being the dominant market leader.

@thefourfoldroot1 You sure have a great alternate reality field.. Sony have the monopoly, they have the biggest share by far out of the players in the market; so you should be asking yourself that very question.. instead of making excuses for a ridiculous price gouging increase in the PS5. I've never seen a group of consumers defend a multi billion dollar corporations price increase so much. It's ridiculous. And your statement makes no sense what to ever in its attempt to defend this move.
I'm glad Japanese consumers are mad at Sony, hope they lose mass market share over there now, Nintendo will be the winners then and PC's it seems.

@thefourfoldroot1 "To be on the side of the consumer is to be on the side of competition" I literally laughed out loud to this. That's some messed up logic you have there to defend Sony.

I look forward to the day Game Pass inevitably goes into PlayStation, because it'll be fascinating to see how the Sony fans defend it. Seriously reading comments on here if I was Jim Ryan I'd instantly double the console price increase and charge an extra £10 for all games, because it seems you all will be more than happy to pay that! It highlights perfectly why so many satire videos are made about Sony fans on You Tube.

@UltimateOtaku91 haha fish and chips cost more because the U.K. put sanctions on Russias fish exports, and the U.K. market gets around 30% of its white fish from Russia, or did, so the price increase has bugger all to do with the increase in inflation.
Your analogy is flawed and not applicable.

And last I checked Sony wasn’t increasing its prices on all the other products they make and sell like TV’s and speakers etc…

@BritneyfR_ee Unfortunately you’ll have to wait till Ridley Scott releases his vice grip on the franchise before that ever happens. We can expect more Prometheus rubbish instead.

@Resi32 Corporate Greed!

@NEStalgia It is a fantastic little machine; so much potential, I have my launch PSP still too that still works, although I don't use it much these days as I want it to last and not kill the laser. Both devices are pocketable though. I have a Switch OG model too but don't use it much. I still use my Vita though. I couldn't believe what Sony did to it? I think they were scared of competing with the mobile gaming market revolution that was growing and tablet gaming. And Apple. Funny thing now is all the successful mobile apps these days are based on console games.

@NEStalgia Sony went to great lengths to try and turn the Vita into effectively the PS4’s little bitch to stream PS4 games. What a waste. Thank God the developers and communities loved it.

Been playing Uncharted Golden Abyss on my Vita. I do t think Sony will support it much longer though, Jim Ryan seems to have the Vita’s number, he doesn’t think it means for life unfortunately the git.

@somnambulance I think their are a lot of hidden gems on Game Pass, even multiplat ones. But the big games are coming, personally I enjoyed Halo Infinite campaign. Just depends on the delays, lots of those happening. I did hear Naughty Dog may be working in a new IP? Could be interesting. I think it will be a good battle this time. It's what you need.

@Fyz306903 All those plastics end up in the ocean though and then in the food chain. People have micro plastics in their blood these days due to that. You can blame big energy companies all you like, sure they are scum, but we all have a responsibility to change things.

I’m surprised at everyone here is claiming it’s fine I can afford the money, well the fact is consoles and other devices on standby use power and cost money. Do least not to help the planet a little can you not fully power them off? I mean SONY gives you that option in the menu even!

@GADG3Tx87 Again you are wrong, that’s why you won’t convince me of anything. You ignore facts, MS suddenly only started using AMD? You haven’t a clue where they use AMD chips unless you work for them, and judging by their access to chips looking at their supply chain, they use them a lot more then SONY does and get priority treatment.

@GADG3Tx87 No, Game Pass is on mobile devices, any computer, tablets, and console.
I think you'll find their are a few million more computers that can run Game Pass via streaming or natively, then their are consoles. Your the one ignoring the facts and twisting them to suite an incorrect narrative.

@GADG3Tx87 Oh dear, well you can ignore simple well know factual business practices and believe the hyperbole rumours if you like, more fool you. Console sales aren't important to Microsoft, they are only a nice surprise to them. Shame you don't get that.
And it's a well known fact also that more Series X consoles are available as it has finished building and installing its Series X server blades, all facts you are choosing to ignore.

@GADG3Tx87 And they still place bigger orders with AMD then Sony does, it's entire game streaming service runs on thousands of Xbox Series X server blades for one, so you are wrong. Do some research yourself. You could look at the Surface store page for one as you'll see AMD chip versions are offered alongside Intel ones.

And why are posting a link to a 'rumour'? Any business in existence has priority customers, it's not a big secret but the only way they get the status is by being big customers placing the most orders... it's not rocket science.