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@BrainHacker I'm not defending anything, other than my right to have an opinion. Same as everyone else here. At what point was I defending Sony? What needs 'defending' anyway? They have the right to charge what they want, we have the right decide whether we buy or not. In this case, if I had not got a PS5, I would not buy the game for my PS4. I would wait. Got plenty else to play.
I simply don't get the anger that comes over in some of these posts.
That's my opinion and it's as valid as anyone else's.

@Richnj I was trying to make a point. It's amusing you use the term backlash. You don't find it odd that, with all that's going on in the world, this warrants a backlash? It's nothing new and we have a choice. Personally, I would probably not stump up more than $20 to upgrade a game. In this case, I wouldn't. I don't see the need to have a rant at Sony or anyone else about it. I vote with my wallet.

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Jeez, chill people. No-one here is being forced to do anything. We were not forced into buying a PS4, or a PS5. No-one promised every PS4 game would have a free upgrade to PS5. We don't have to buy anything.

If you don't like it, fair enough, say so, but two hundred odd posts labelling Sony almost as the anti-christ is ridiculous. You think it's to expensive, don't buy it.

You want bad guys, look to the damn Taliban. Get some perspective!
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The other way of looking at it is that if people can always buy the cheaper PS4 version first and get a PS5 upgrade for free, they will. No-one is going to pay full price, which is not a good business model for them.

Perhaps the compromise is to say, after release date, only PS4 versions of the game purchased before that date get a free upgrade?

Damn. I have so much else I should be doing...

Will be updating this later.

For a more intelligent view than most on the changes have a look at arstechnica.com. Both article and comments on this change were a breath of fresh air!

@Spiders Sad but true. Too much negativity on social media, unfortunately it makes people money.

@Rural-Bandit I guess as someone used to taken things apart to upgrade them it's not an issue for me. I appreciate the fact I could just get an off-the-shelf part, plug it in and get full benefit of the speed. Can get 1TB with appropriate HS for £165. If and when I upgrade, it'll go in a PC.

I also love the fact I can whip off the covers and get to all the vents to clean them out now and again.

@Spiders But why should it be a concern? I'm really puzzled about peoples reaction to this. Things will change over time, always have done, always will do. It's a nonsense to assume there's going to be a problem based on the evidence presented, so why do it?

I've used dozens of different PC heatsinks over the 30 odd years I've built PC's. Bigger and heavier is NOT not always better.

As far as I know no-one has checked for a difference in internal temperature. It's quite possible, with that massive copper base having been removed, it may be lower. Lets wait for facts.

@SilkySmile89 Fair point, though they ship them by the pallet so I guess it's charged on pallet weight rather than on individual boxes. Might make a difference.

All a storm in a teacup, though.

@Olmaz It's also possible that they've come up with a more efficient design that is also lighter. Lighter doesn't necessarily mean cheaper to produce, depends on the materials used. But does mean cheaper to ship, so a cost saving there .

Good grief. It's smaller so it must be worse. So many jokes.

Yes, it's a cost-reduction exercise. But you don't reduce costs by making something more likely to fail. So I'd wager Sony simply found a more efficient way of cooling the system.

If you look closely I don't think the surface area of the heatsink is much, if any, smaller in actuality. The layout has changed.

As long as the heat is coming out of the console, it's not a problem.

I'm really not sure what riled him up so much he thought he needed to say anything about it.

Of course you could play it on a PS3. If you sacrifice fidelity, framerate, population density, graphical variety etc. and are willing to wait longer when you can choose to jump to multiple dimensions rather than one.

As for the SSD tech in the PS5, it's still pretty unique and has huge potential. I'm sure there's lots more to come that will show it better than R&C.

Any that's not 'fanboyism'. Similar technology is being rolled-out on PC's. So folks other than Sony see it as an important technology going forward.

The DualSense charging station link is broken. Was thinking of getting one next payday.

I just get 'Sorry! There are no quests available at this time!'

@GigaGaia Perhaps they need a free version that lets you explore the games out there and maybe tinker a bit. Then a simple upgrade to the full-blown version if you want to have a bash at anything more complex.

I'd have a go if it was cross-platform. Being able to design on the PC and then play on the PS5 would be fantastic.

Doesn't bother me in the slightest. Some games I'd prefer to play on my PC, on a 24 inch screen. Some on a console with surround sound and a 65 inch screen. Just means I get more choice on which platform to buy it for.

When the PS was a custom bit of hardware it made sense for the games to be platform specific, no real choice. Now? Relatively easy port to anything with an x86 architecture, so why not?

If PSVR2 wasn't on the horizon I'd be thinking this gen Playstation might be my last. Far cheaper than buying a suitable PC and PC VR system and not offered by XBox.

Nowadays an Xbox/PS console is basically an optimised PC in a small box with a few special bells and whistles. It no longer makes sense to create anything radically different, look at the reception PS3 got. Hammered because it was too hard to develop for, not mainstream enough.

So each gen will now be a better and better PC, because that's what everyone wants. On the upside, you are likely to be able to play previous gen games on it with better graphics, content and frame rate.

I'm very happy with my PS5 .

@RubyCarbuncle I don't think I'm ignorant or closed minded because I don't outright condemn 'Crunch'.
Most working people have 'Crunch' at some point, it's not an issue if it's well managed and not the norm. In real-life you can't always do 7.5/8 hours a day and get what you need done.

@Richnj I would expect you could, wasn't a dig at XBox. My way would be wired, so am supremely unfussed

@stormyuk Totally agree! It's not like it's hard to automate that sort of thing so I guess it's a political decision.

I've experienced 'Crunch'/overtime at times in every job I've had in the last 35 odd years. You sometimes have to meet fixed deadlines. Sometimes it's paid back in terms of money, sometimes time off, sometimes nothing but an honest thanks. Some of the best employers have given me both extra pay and time off. If I felt I was being take advantage of I'd leave and get another job. I'm not a slave and have never been forced to work for anyone against my will.

I don't think it's unhealthy as long as it benefits you as well as your employer.

@Richnj Safer to update when you're plugged-in as the controller is being fed power the whole time. Not sure I'd trust wireless updates but I suppose it's a very minor risk.

Battlefield 1942 was, and always will be, my favourite. Many, many hours online playing that. Even play multiplayer co-op with the kids now and again, they seem to be able to overlook the primitive graphics!

@Justin113 I'm really not sure what you're asking for has ever been done. No sane Developer is going to ignore millions of potential customers.

Few devs are going to make games on PCs that only target a fraction of the user base with ultra-high end graphics cards, CPUs and 32Gb of memory. Not when they can create a game engine that scales. I'm not sure why you think consoles would be any different.

PS5 is a PC in a small(ish) box with some nice bells and whistles. Going forward we're going to see more multi-platform games, not less. I don't think this is a bad thing.

@Justin113 I kind of get where you and others are coming from. I was pulled in with the hype to a degree but I can't feel as passionate about it as you folks seem to. Maybe its my advancing years!

I mean, how long would it take to make a AAA title that would take full advantage of every PS5 power and capability, that would truly make it non-viable on PS4? 3 years, 4 years? Were their dev kits available 3/4 years ago, even firm specs on the PS5 capabilities?

I don't expect anything truly ground-breaking for another year or so. R&C looks great but as others have said, apart from the rift mechanic it could be done, albeit with lesser graphical fidelity, on PS4. It's not the game you are looking for. These things just take time, always have.

I've had every PS since the first and in my experience, this early into the new generation, the previous gen has still been getting very decent first-party games.

@hi_rnick I meant the wording of some of the statements around VR in the latter stages of 2020 sounded very much like they were thinking of exiting the arena and that the PS5 might not be compatible. Obviously that turned out not to be the case The point I was trying to make, badly as it turns out, was that as VR development is still very active for PSVR1 maybe it means PSVR2 will be backward compatible or it will be easy to port VR1 titles.

I think some of the latter comments here have hit the nail on the head. It's quite common for people these days to throw insults and accusations around when they're frustrated and that can come across as vitriolic, self-entitled, whining, etc. It's everywhere, it's really wearing and some very valid points are getting lost in it.

I don't think I've heard any lies. Exaggeration, yes, 'marketing speak', yes. So, absolutely nothing out of the ordinary then.

HFW is not for me but it does look good. I don't think anyone, hand on heart, really ever thought it was a PS5 exclusive. I'm sure it'll play well on PS4 but even better on PS5. No different really to playing the same PC game on a mid-level PC and a high-end one. You generally don't upgrade a PC in the expectation of getting exclusive games, just better ones in some areas.

@lessthanleo Good spot, still there, thanks!

Maybe it's just me but I'm surprised at the number of VR titles coming out. 12 months or so ago it sounded like Sony had announced the death of VR. I wonder if devs had been given a heads-up on VR2 and a possibility of either backwards compatibility support (at the API level?) or a simple migration path.

Probably wishful thinking.

I love this game, Completely passed me by until a few months ago until I got it on Steam. Doesn't run brilliantly on my PC (Ryzen 2600, RX 580, SSD) but looks pretty good.

Got it for PS5 a bit later and wow, blows my PC out of the water. Loads much faster, look stunning on a 65inch TV and sound is great through the surround sound.

Done most things on the PC but will go and do it all again on the PS5. If you've got it but not played for a while, check out Expeditions.

If you're not happy and have a PS5, sell it. Simple. Plenty of people want one. Too much drama over something so inconsequential, there's plenty else going on in the world.

I've got a PS5 and I'm happy with what's out so far. Am I stunned by what I've seen? No. Do I particularly care? No. Do I feel lied to? No. I've got a boat load of PS4 titles to catch up on that look and run better than they did on my PS4.

For those of us old enough to have had every PS from launch, this really is nothing new. There's plenty yet to come, just be patient or go do something else.

@zupertramp Absolutely, wouldn't pay near retail. I'm in the UK and can see some for £180-£200. Wondered if, at that price, would be worth it. Should be able to get at least half that back on re-sale when PS5's are more available.

Just thinking aloud, I suppose at this point, if I'd not been lucky enough to get a PS5, I might have got a second-hand pro. Prices on eBay not bad at the moment, especially for just the console, and would still have some re-sale value later.

For those who went from original PS4 to pro, was there that much difference?

@huyi As has been pointed out it's not a case of stupidity, just a real shortage of manufacturing capacity. Making PS4 Pros would take capacity needed to make chips for the PS5, so would make it worse.

Same problem with PC graphics cards, very hard to find at the moment. Sucks if you want a PS5 or PC graphics card for the next 6-12 months.

Wow. I still find it astonishing how so many people can get so worked up over paying for a luxury item that they don't really need at a price they don't have to pay. I take it none of the people complaining so bitterly own an Apple product!

On topic, well done Housemarque for all of the reasons others have said. I hope this success translates to good profits, a bonus for all involved in its creation and investment for the future.

Got Wreckfest on Steam but looking forward to playing it on PS5 Not sure about Battlefield, more of a mouse and keyboard man for that sort of thing,

I've got a PS4 but until I got the PS5 I haven't played much on console for years, so now have a huge backlog to get through.

@Rob_230 I suspect for most, like me, it's not that of having any issue with people asking for a save option, more the tone of some of the posts. I'd be more tempted to give it a go if I could save regularly, because I'm rubbish at this sort of game, fairly elderly, have kids and not a huge amount of time. But the feature is not there, so that's that. I don't have the faintest desire to bitch about it or believe I'm entitled to have my situation catered for.

But more and more people seem to think that if something isn't done to their liking or preference, it's fine to publicly put it down to incompetence or malice. That comes across as self-entitled and plain rude to me.

The whole topic was about the developer taking on board the feedback around saving, surely that's cause for celebration?

And no, it's probably not a simple thing to add to a game that was designed not to have it. We get that in the commercial world as well. 'Just add this, how hard can it be?'. 'Harder than you think' is often the answer!

Just my opinion.

@Ambassador_Kong I'm only going by experience, not saying that some don't take the mickey. But it's nothing new.

Maybe I'm just a bit cranky at the moment but am so bored of endless posts about how expensive things are or what's wrong with them. Lets have some positivity, dammit!

Oh, and despite it looking superb I'm not paying £70 for it. Not because I resent paying it but because I suck at these sort of games!

@Ambassador_Kong It's a simple fact of life that any big software house, be it a games developer or commercial developer, is owned by people who want to make money. The more profit you make your investors the more you get back to spend on staff and development kit and the bigger and riskier your projects can be.

I'm not sure why people complain so much about prices, either pay it or don't. Maybe if nobody paid full-price then prices would drop. Or maybe investors will take their money somewhere more profitable and we lose developers. I suspect the latter is more likely.

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@Otherbarry I don't have a media remote but maybe one of the buttons is a bit dodgy? Has happened to me with TV remotes in the past. TV appeared to turn on for no reason, cause, kids with sticky fingers...

I have this on PC and PS. Looks and runs far better on PS5 than on my PC, just wish I could transfer my PC save onto PS!

You do need some patience to get far with it, though. Kind of addictive once you get the freighter and multiple quests on the go.

As someone who tends to just upgrade (consoles, anyway) and move on, it's not a problem for me.

I don't understand why some feel the need to give such harsh criticism of something purely because it's not for them. I'm hopeless when it comes to creative software, so not a purchase for me at £35 but I would pick it up for £20 in a sale. Just to support the initiative. We need more creativity and less of the mindless, throwaway crud that's endlessly churned out.

@rjejr - Yes, I also have to resort to the manual now and again, no shame in it

I use this switch, seems to do the job for 11.99: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07H2G8J2H/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Wow. At the end of last year it sounded like VR was not something Sony were interested in anymore. In the first few months of this year we've had, what a dozen new VR games announced and news of VR2 in the next year or so. Great stuff.

I was initially a little disappointed by not having all fingers tracked on the new controllers but then, after just picking some stuff up and manipulating them, you really only need to track the three that they are. Otherwise they look great.

Single wire to headset is cool, don't have a huge amount of room to move around in anyway, All in all, something really cool to look forward to in the next year or so

@rjejr Ah, OK. Well have a go with PS4 to TV and TV eARC to Sony ARC enabled HDMI first, see what happens. I've had problems in the past trying to channel everything through the amp. My Onkyo turns on and off with the TV, so only have to change TV channel to select input. Good luck, hope it's not too frustrating!

@rjejr Have you tried just connecting PS5 to TV then TV eARC HDMI to your Sony amp? Worth a shot if you haven't.

I have PS5 HDMI to HDMI switch input. One output of switch to TV, other one to VR box. VR box output to another TV input. So I get HDR from PS5 normally then switch to VR when I want to play with it. Bit of a fiddle but works.

Then TV HDM with eARC out to Amp. Works a treat. I now have everything to TV rather than through the amp.

And there was me, not so long ago, thinking VR on PS was dead. Some lovely looking games on the way