The games that have endless play time, like Monster Hunter, can have a 30+ story but it's not really needed. The gameplay loop is why people are there for a long time. Pokemon is similar, but the older games had much better endgame activities. All that said, a Mario game with a 60+ hour story would be so weird. You can push 60+ hours out of a Mario game easily without even needing a story, just content alone.
It depends entirely on the game, genre, and story being constructed. Xenoblade's 60+ hour story was a great length with great build up. However, older Pokemon games, like Emerald and Platinum, had a 30+ hour story and that was the perfect length to me. Meanwhile, Bravely Default was entirely too long. That game could've been 30 hours long and the story would've been better for it. And that's just JRPGs.
It's extra sad because they keep talking down about the PS4 and XBO as if those were the target consoles for the last 8 years. They should've done what Rockstar did for GTAV. Make it good on the target systems and better on the new ones.
Honestly, I hope the score isn't affected by patches and updates after launch day. I do hope they fix the game, but it should be reviewed and scored based on the state of the game on day one. This game, by all accounts, should be phenomenal, but we can't allow something so broken to be allowed a high score for what it could have been.
I feel like increasing game prices will impact day one sales and only make game reviews that much more relevant in terms of which games people will buy at launch.
@3MonthBeef I am also conflicted on the 10/10 scores. A perfect score insinuates that the pros far outweigh the cons for a game, but when the gap between reviews is so vast where some of the cons and pros interwine, it becomes a little suspicious to me. From various reviews reviews, I've seen the monotonously repetitious gameplay, weird cameos, and more be listed as pros and cons. Of course, that is expected from varying opinions. However, nearly every time I saw these things listed as pros, it's because of some kind of obsession with Kojima. It feels like a good amount of those perfect scores are biased, based on love for Kojima rather than the game. Most of the reviews boiled down to "boring, slow, and repetitive; 10/10 Great story, fun movie, love Kojima".
Kid Icarus: Uprising definitely should not have gotten a perfect score anywhere. I'm left-handed, so I had to completely remap the controls just to play it, and those options were pretty poor. The original controls were horrendous otherwise. The game's story was fun, but it lacked a key areas. Not as bad as Kid Icarus, but Monster Hunter 3 should not have gotten a perfect score either. The normal gameplay was fun enough, but those underwater hunts were terrible. They made the already iffy controls so much worse.
I think the problem with these "perfect scores" is that reviewers are just awarding these games the score they want them to have, rather than scoring the games on their own merit. I've watched and read a lot of Death Stranding reciews, and I've seen so many reviewers gloss over the obvious flaws of Death Stranding because it's a Kojima game. I struggle to see how something labeled as "boring" and "not fun" on multiple occasions should be getting any number of perfect scores. None of the reviews I've seen, aside from the ones gushing about Kojima, even read like they were for a 90+ game. Being bold enough to try something different, fetch quests obviously aren't new, doesn't mean something is good.
@Frigate Exactly. It is a relevant as we make it. Even this site has made it very relevant.
I think the fact that this site that caters to Playstation fans covered the lion's share of E3, even though Sony wasn't even present, and that most of the last two weeks of discussion were directly about E3 or something related to it shows that it is still very relevant. Besides, if Sony waited a week and had a very light showing at E3, say Death Stranding and TLOU2 release dates, we would be flooded with "Did Sony win E3!?!?" posts and articles on just this site alone. Heck, even if Sony still didn't attend E3 but they dropped Death Stranding's trailer during E3, we would STILL being hearing about how they won E3. Overall, I think E3 is very relevant for the industry. It gives off an "all eyes on you" feeling that other conventions just can't replicate. It's like how anyone can drops some trailers or host an event themselves, like PS State of Play, but the direct comparison they get is with a Nintendo Direct. Nintendo worked up to that level of relevance, just like how E3 did.
It'll be interesting to see how E3 moves from here. I don't think it is as irrelevant as people say. It is THE gaming event of the Summer, in the US at least. I think a lot more companies are going to go the digital presentation route, like Nintendo. I do think Sony will be back though, when they have more to show.
I think it's a graphical change like how Xenoblade Chronicles 2 had, not necessarily a downgrade. Although, the change would be kinda the opposite: XC2 was shinier and Spiderman is less shiny. XC2 has more detail to the characters in a anime-esque way. I don't know how to post pictures, but I'd post the shot I have if I did.
@3Above I would love that! My only problem would be the storage space. Knowing Sony, they would probably want to have proprietary storage for it, like with the Vita. A 500GB card could be around $500!
I would love to be able to have a portable version of their games, rather than just stream like with the Vita. I am skeptical of Sony as far as handhelds are concerned though, I don't want to buy a Vita. If they had a Switch-like console that was PS4 game compatible I would consider it, but then it would end up in the switchuation (hehe, see what I did there?) where they would have to sacrifice something to get it to run on the portable version. Honestly, I think it is entirely possible. They could handle it much in the way that they are doing the PS4 and the PS4 Pro.
I saw the trailer and gameplay for MH:W and it looks amazing. My only gripes are that you can move and heal at the same time and you can fast travel to camp. Not that I don't want those features, just that newbs don't deserve such luxuries!
I really wish it was on the Vita, but things happen... I'll probably get it whenever I get a PS4 (when KH3 comes out, to be exact). Weird side question: Is Sony making any first-party Vita games anymore?
Hopefully they support it. It would suck if it went the way of the Move... Also, I don't know what you guys are talking about. The Vita isn't dead, it's just, uh... in a coma, yeah that's it! Me In Denial
I got a Vita for Black Friday last year, it's a nifty device. Too bad it didn't get the recognition it deserved. Those awful memory card prices are to blame as well as Sony's lack of real support. That said, I do kinda want a Vita TV because I want to show off some of my Vita games on the TV. I wish the 3DS had something like this, or streaming capabilities to the Wii U. Can you stream Vita games to PS3/4 or is it that you can only stream PS3/4 games to Vita?
How can Square Enix pull this off with Star Ocean but not Kingdom Hearts or even Final Fantasy?!? Whichever development team they have on this should lead every project.
@TomKongPhooey Exactly. If the game was already out, that's one thing, but the game is LITERALLY half a year away...
@adf86 They should plan all they want, but mentioning DLC for a game SIX (6) MONTHS AWAY A.K.A. HALF A YEAR AWAY is just sad. If you call being saddened by the fact that a great company is talking about gouging their consumers with DLC when the game is so far away entitlement, then you don't really know what entitlement means. If anything, Naughty Dog are the ones who feel they have entitlement. When Activision, EA, Ubisoft, SE, etc. advertise DLC with a product coming out less than six months away, they get chastised for it. But since it is Naughty Dog, they think it's okay, and you're okay with it? I'm not saying any of them are right (Naughty Dog being just as wrong as the rest) and, day one or not, you do have to admit that this business practices is BS.
@Boerewors If the NX is a home console and handheld match like Vita/PS4, I think the NX and Vita could benefit each other. Of course, that depends on a lot, but I'm a dreamer, it's what I do...
@Gemuarto All I wanted from the thing was for it to play KH: BBS. They had that short lived transfer program, then they gave up on us. At present, there is nothing on the system that would justify me buying it.
@stevie85 I figure if Nintendo is ballsy enough to have another home console, Sony may a well try once more with a handheld. That way, when they both fail again, they can work together again. Okay, maybe I dream too much...
THey could have reworked it... It looked like a rather ugly Wii U game when it released, now it's an even worse "Next-gen" game. I'm still going to get it on the Wii U one day. I tried the demo, but it was a bit too bland for me. I wish they made a much better sequel instead of this.
@adf86 Maybe if Nathan Drake or Master Chief were in CoD then there would be an argument. There is a difference between exclusive content and timed DLC.
@Kohaku Their abandonment of the Vita, and just about every accessory they make, is why I'm so skeptical of the Morpheus. Sony can hype all they want but when things get hairy they'll probably drop Morpheus support, too. If they took a step back, renamed the Vita, made it slightly more powerful (future proof it), added PSP BC with the mini-discs, and started using SD cards, I would be more inclined to actually buy one (more of a pipe dream, really). The memory card thing is so obvious it hurts, yet they are too oblivious to realize it. Even if they ignored everything I said and just heavily dropped the price of the memory cards, I think it could help sales. As for games, port some PS3 and PS4 games over. They could hire a small, dedicated Vita team to get games onto the Vita. Heck, they could pull a Nintendo and fund lots of smaller spin-off games of their franchises to build onto franchises. As well as the PS4 is doing, it is appalling to see them drop support for one-third of the 8th generation consoles they sold. There should be a poll for who would consider buying another Handheld Sony Console after the Vita and for how many people on the site have one (I'm curious now).
I'd have upgraded to a Vita long ago if a Kingdom Hearts game landed on the system. It was one of the many reasons for me to get a 3DS and the reason I got a PSP. I even folded and got a PS3 for KH2.5. Who knows, if I enjoy Uncharted as much as I want to, I may get a Vita for that. I heard Soul Sacrifice was like Monster Hunter so i may consider one for that, too.
Seems like Nintendo and Sony are more alike than people want to believe. Only difference is that Nintendo refuses to give up on the Wii U until the end, while Sony gave up on the Vita long ago and is finally admitting it, even though it is a very sorry excuse. Based on the eighth generation alone, I won't consider buying another Sony handheld console if this is how they answer to hardship. However, I'd consider buying another Nintendo home console because they at least respect us consumers enough to tough it out (though next time I'll try not to get one so early).
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Re: Poll: How Long Should Games Be?
The games that have endless play time, like Monster Hunter, can have a 30+ story but it's not really needed. The gameplay loop is why people are there for a long time. Pokemon is similar, but the older games had much better endgame activities. All that said, a Mario game with a 60+ hour story would be so weird. You can push 60+ hours out of a Mario game easily without even needing a story, just content alone.
Re: Poll: How Long Should Games Be?
It depends entirely on the game, genre, and story being constructed. Xenoblade's 60+ hour story was a great length with great build up. However, older Pokemon games, like Emerald and Platinum, had a 30+ hour story and that was the perfect length to me. Meanwhile, Bravely Default was entirely too long. That game could've been 30 hours long and the story would've been better for it. And that's just JRPGs.
Re: February 2021 NPD: PS5 Is Fastest Selling System in US History
Wouldn't that be most profitable but not necessarily fastest selling?
Re: Cyberpunk 2077 (PS4) - The Single Biggest Disappointment of the PS4 Generation
@zekepliskin I know I should feel a little bad, but the amount of effort people are putting in to defend it kinda negates that feeling for me. 🤣
Re: Cyberpunk 2077 (PS4) - The Single Biggest Disappointment of the PS4 Generation
I've been hovering around this article all month waiting for the score to drop. This game and it's poor scores give me such schadenfreude.
Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Aiming to Be a 'Playable, Stable Game without Glitches and Crashes'
It's extra sad because they keep talking down about the PS4 and XBO as if those were the target consoles for the last 8 years. They should've done what Rockstar did for GTAV. Make it good on the target systems and better on the new ones.
Re: Cyberpunk 2077 (PS4) - The Potential of a Masterpiece, Totally and Utterly Unrealised
@suikoden Absolutely. It should be reviewed as a rerelease.
Re: Cyberpunk 2077 (PS4) - The Potential of a Masterpiece, Totally and Utterly Unrealised
Honestly, I hope the score isn't affected by patches and updates after launch day. I do hope they fix the game, but it should be reviewed and scored based on the state of the game on day one. This game, by all accounts, should be phenomenal, but we can't allow something so broken to be allowed a high score for what it could have been.
Re: Poll: Would You Pay $70 for a Brand New PS5 Game?
I feel like increasing game prices will impact day one sales and only make game reviews that much more relevant in terms of which games people will buy at launch.
Re: Death Stranding Band Low Roar Saved by PS4 Game
@ShaiHulud "Band 'Low Roar' Saved by Death Stranding" seems like it would have worked a little better.
Re: Death Stranding Band Low Roar Saved by PS4 Game
@ShaiHulud I was also utterly confused by the title.
Re: Death Stranding and Famitsu Under Fire in Japan as Fans Question Cameo Following Perfect Review Score
@3MonthBeef I am also conflicted on the 10/10 scores. A perfect score insinuates that the pros far outweigh the cons for a game, but when the gap between reviews is so vast where some of the cons and pros interwine, it becomes a little suspicious to me. From various reviews reviews, I've seen the monotonously repetitious gameplay, weird cameos, and more be listed as pros and cons. Of course, that is expected from varying opinions. However, nearly every time I saw these things listed as pros, it's because of some kind of obsession with Kojima. It feels like a good amount of those perfect scores are biased, based on love for Kojima rather than the game. Most of the reviews boiled down to "boring, slow, and repetitive; 10/10 Great story, fun movie, love Kojima".
Re: Death Stranding Achieves a Rare Perfect Score from Japanese Bible Famitsu
Kid Icarus: Uprising definitely should not have gotten a perfect score anywhere. I'm left-handed, so I had to completely remap the controls just to play it, and those options were pretty poor. The original controls were horrendous otherwise. The game's story was fun, but it lacked a key areas. Not as bad as Kid Icarus, but Monster Hunter 3 should not have gotten a perfect score either. The normal gameplay was fun enough, but those underwater hunts were terrible.
They made the already iffy controls so much worse.
I think the problem with these "perfect scores" is that reviewers are just awarding these games the score they want them to have, rather than scoring the games on their own merit. I've watched and read a lot of Death Stranding reciews, and I've seen so many reviewers gloss over the obvious flaws of Death Stranding because it's a Kojima game. I struggle to see how something labeled as "boring" and "not fun" on multiple occasions should be getting any number of perfect scores. None of the reviews I've seen, aside from the ones gushing about Kojima, even read like they were for a 90+ game. Being bold enough to try something different, fetch quests obviously aren't new, doesn't mean something is good.
Re: Talking Point: Is E3 Still Relevant?
@Frigate Exactly. It is a relevant as we make it. Even this site has made it very relevant.
I think the fact that this site that caters to Playstation fans covered the lion's share of E3, even though Sony wasn't even present, and that most of the last two weeks of discussion were directly about E3 or something related to it shows that it is still very relevant. Besides, if Sony waited a week and had a very light showing at E3, say Death Stranding and TLOU2 release dates, we would be flooded with "Did Sony win E3!?!?" posts and articles on just this site alone. Heck, even if Sony still didn't attend E3 but they dropped Death Stranding's trailer during E3, we would STILL being hearing about how they won E3. Overall, I think E3 is very relevant for the industry. It gives off an "all eyes on you" feeling that other conventions just can't replicate. It's like how anyone can drops some trailers or host an event themselves, like PS State of Play, but the direct comparison they get is with a Nintendo Direct. Nintendo worked up to that level of relevance, just like how E3 did.
Re: EA Won't Be Hosting a Press Conference at E3 2019
It'll be interesting to see how E3 moves from here. I don't think it is as irrelevant as people say. It is THE gaming event of the Summer, in the US at least. I think a lot more companies are going to go the digital presentation route, like Nintendo. I do think Sony will be back though, when they have more to show.
Re: Guide: ANTHEM - How to Switch Weapons on PS4
"How to SWITCH Weapons on PS4"
Nintendo Switch version confirmed!! (I kid, of course. 😂)
Re: Sony Censorship Row Returns as Mature Rated Switch Title Is E for Everyone on PS4
Censorship: Sony does what Nintendon't. I must to the Switch eshop for... research purposes.
Re: Technical Analysis of Spider-Man PS4 Rubbishes Downgrade Claims
I think they just added some E3 sheen for that trailer. Unneeded sheen too, because the game looks great.
Re: Spider-Man PS4's Puddle Drama Is An Absolute Embarrassment
I think it's a graphical change like how Xenoblade Chronicles 2 had, not necessarily a downgrade. Although, the change would be kinda the opposite: XC2 was shinier and Spiderman is less shiny. XC2 has more detail to the characters in a anime-esque way. I don't know how to post pictures, but I'd post the shot I have if I did.
Re: Soapbox: Why God of War Will Scratch Your Zelda Itch
For people who've played all three: do you think Breath of the Wild is more like the new God of War or Horizon: Zero Dawn?
Re: Soapbox: Why God of War Will Scratch Your Zelda Itch
@YummyHappyPills @ShogunRok What's wrong with Zelda?
Re: Soapbox: Why God of War Will Scratch Your Zelda Itch
@rjejr I was looking for a picture to add for the Xbox One, but I couldn't think of a similar exclusive...
Re: Feature: Are You Still Hooked on Monster Hunter: World?
I'll probably get it after I finish Generations. I'm still a low rank hinter currently... ðŸ˜
EDIT: I still want to rent this and DBFZ just to make sure I want them.
Re: Catherine: Full Body Will Drop Its Undies in the West
I logged in and there were 69 comments. With that title. I had to take a picture of it.
Re: Poll: Do You Want Another Portable PlayStation?
@3Above I would love that! My only problem would be the storage space. Knowing Sony, they would probably want to have proprietary storage for it, like with the Vita. A 500GB card could be around $500!
Re: Poll: Do You Want Another Portable PlayStation?
I would love to be able to have a portable version of their games, rather than just stream like with the Vita. I am skeptical of Sony as far as handhelds are concerned though, I don't want to buy a Vita. If they had a Switch-like console that was PS4 game compatible I would consider it, but then it would end up in the switchuation (hehe, see what I did there?) where they would have to sacrifice something to get it to run on the portable version. Honestly, I think it is entirely possible. They could handle it much in the way that they are doing the PS4 and the PS4 Pro.
Re: Hands On: Monster Hunter: World Is Already a Game of the Year Candidate
I saw the trailer and gameplay for MH:W and it looks amazing. My only gripes are that you can move and heal at the same time and you can fast travel to camp. Not that I don't want those features, just that newbs don't deserve such luxuries!
Re: Review: Gravity Rush 2 (PS4)
I really wish it was on the Vita, but things happen... I'll probably get it whenever I get a PS4 (when KH3 comes out, to be exact). Weird side question: Is Sony making any first-party Vita games anymore?
Edit: https://gamerant.com/sony-first-party-vita-games-ps4/
Nevermind...
Re: Video: Sony Must Not Allow PlayStation VR to Wilt
Hopefully they support it. It would suck if it went the way of the Move... Also, I don't know what you guys are talking about. The Vita isn't dead, it's just, uh... in a coma, yeah that's it! Me In Denial
Re: Sony Switches Off PlayStation TV Shipments in Japan
I got a Vita for Black Friday last year, it's a nifty device. Too bad it didn't get the recognition it deserved. Those awful memory card prices are to blame as well as Sony's lack of real support. That said, I do kinda want a Vita TV because I want to show off some of my Vita games on the TV. I wish the 3DS had something like this, or streaming capabilities to the Wii U. Can you stream Vita games to PS3/4 or is it that you can only stream PS3/4 games to Vita?
Re: Final Fantasy XV's Release Date Announcement Is Announced
And I'm just waiting for it's release so they can focus on Kingdom Hearts 3... Good news for those who want it, though.
Re: Review: Gravity Rush Remastered (PS4)
I have it on the Vita, actually. I haven't been on for a while, but I have a Vita, now.
Re: Final Fantasy XV Will Release in 2016, Square Enix Confirms
KH3 2017, hopefully?
Re: Wow, Star Ocean 5 Has Come a Long Way in Just a Few Months on PS4
How can Square Enix pull this off with Star Ocean but not Kingdom Hearts or even Final Fantasy?!? Whichever development team they have on this should lead every project.
Re: Naughty Dog: We Can Put Together a Really Great Add-on for Uncharted 4
@TomKongPhooey Exactly. If the game was already out, that's one thing, but the game is LITERALLY half a year away...
@adf86 They should plan all they want, but mentioning DLC for a game SIX (6) MONTHS AWAY A.K.A. HALF A YEAR AWAY is just sad. If you call being saddened by the fact that a great company is talking about gouging their consumers with DLC when the game is so far away entitlement, then you don't really know what entitlement means. If anything, Naughty Dog are the ones who feel they have entitlement. When Activision, EA, Ubisoft, SE, etc. advertise DLC with a product coming out less than six months away, they get chastised for it. But since it is Naughty Dog, they think it's okay, and you're okay with it? I'm not saying any of them are right (Naughty Dog being just as wrong as the rest) and, day one or not, you do have to admit that this business practices is BS.
Re: Japan's Censored Until Dawn's Most Grisly Scenes in the Worst Way
That wasn't too bad, don't be so dramatic about stuff like that. On a side note, that was some of the worst voice acting I've ever heard...
Re: NetherRealm KOs PS3 Version of Mortal Kombat X
All thIs means is that I won't be getting MKX...
Re: PS Vita Prototype Looked a Lot Like the PSPgo
@Boerewors If the NX is a home console and handheld match like Vita/PS4, I think the NX and Vita could benefit each other. Of course, that depends on a lot, but I'm a dreamer, it's what I do...
Re: PS Vita Prototype Looked a Lot Like the PSPgo
@Gemuarto All I wanted from the thing was for it to play KH: BBS. They had that short lived transfer program, then they gave up on us. At present, there is nothing on the system that would justify me buying it.
Re: PS Vita Prototype Looked a Lot Like the PSPgo
@stevie85 I figure if Nintendo is ballsy enough to have another home console, Sony may a well try once more with a handheld. That way, when they both fail again, they can work together again. Okay, maybe I dream too much...
Re: Japanese Sales Charts: PS4 and Vita Enjoy a Small Sales Boost
@JaxonH Stop being so unbiased, it's immoral and wrong!
Re: Gamescom 2015: Why Is Destiny Dropping Dinklage for Nolan North?
@Gamer83 I actually liked Dinklage's performance. He sounds like an emotionless robot, as he should... playing an emotionless robot.
Re: Feature: 10 PS4 Games We Want to Learn More About at Gamescom 2015
Glad I'm not the only one who wants to see more of Horizon!
Re: Wii U Exclusive Zombi Officially Reanimated on PS4
THey could have reworked it... It looked like a rather ugly Wii U game when it released, now it's an even worse "Next-gen" game. I'm still going to get it on the Wii U one day. I tried the demo, but it was a bit too bland for me. I wish they made a much better sequel instead of this.
Re: Don't Hold Your Breath for Backwards Compatibility on PS4
They should have been working on it in the first place instead of a subscription streaming service for PS3 games...
Re: Wii U Exclusive ZombiU Looks Likely to Rot PS4
I've still got to get this game. C'mon Amazon, drop it below $10...
Re: Dragon Quest XI Will Probably Be for PS4
Hopefully it's on PS4, XB1, and Wii U. They've already got a working engine for Wii U from DQX, so there is no excuse there.
Re: So, This Is How Sony Took the Marketing Rights for Call of Duty Away from Microsoft
@adf86 Maybe if Nathan Drake or Master Chief were in CoD then there would be an argument. There is a difference between exclusive content and timed DLC.
Re: Sony: We Aren't Making Vita Games Because of Consumer Expectations
@Kohaku Their abandonment of the Vita, and just about every accessory they make, is why I'm so skeptical of the Morpheus. Sony can hype all they want but when things get hairy they'll probably drop Morpheus support, too. If they took a step back, renamed the Vita, made it slightly more powerful (future proof it), added PSP BC with the mini-discs, and started using SD cards, I would be more inclined to actually buy one (more of a pipe dream, really). The memory card thing is so obvious it hurts, yet they are too oblivious to realize it. Even if they ignored everything I said and just heavily dropped the price of the memory cards, I think it could help sales. As for games, port some PS3 and PS4 games over. They could hire a small, dedicated Vita team to get games onto the Vita. Heck, they could pull a Nintendo and fund lots of smaller spin-off games of their franchises to build onto franchises. As well as the PS4 is doing, it is appalling to see them drop support for one-third of the 8th generation consoles they sold. There should be a poll for who would consider buying another Handheld Sony Console after the Vita and for how many people on the site have one (I'm curious now).
Re: Sony: We Aren't Making Vita Games Because of Consumer Expectations
I'd have upgraded to a Vita long ago if a Kingdom Hearts game landed on the system. It was one of the many reasons for me to get a 3DS and the reason I got a PSP. I even folded and got a PS3 for KH2.5. Who knows, if I enjoy Uncharted as much as I want to, I may get a Vita for that. I heard Soul Sacrifice was like Monster Hunter so i may consider one for that, too.
Seems like Nintendo and Sony are more alike than people want to believe. Only difference is that Nintendo refuses to give up on the Wii U until the end, while Sony gave up on the Vita long ago and is finally admitting it, even though it is a very sorry excuse. Based on the eighth generation alone, I won't consider buying another Sony handheld console if this is how they answer to hardship. However, I'd consider buying another Nintendo home console because they at least respect us consumers enough to tough it out (though next time I'll try not to get one so early).