This looks dreadful. Wow. 2023 really is a peculiar year. I don't remember a recent year with this many truly excellent games AND this many truly dreadful games.
Also, why would you put Street Fighter content anywhere near this? Likely to do more harm to SF than any good to this!
@NEStalgia Genuine question here as I've seen a few people say similar to your comment now. How does having 2 discs in the box translate to there being less to download?
The game is too big to fit on 1 disc. That's why there is a second disc. We don't know how much of that second disc has been used... if it's also full, then there would likely still be a download on top of it?
Also, day one patch is still very likely and that patch is surely likely to be even bigger for a 2 disc game depending on what needs patching / likely more to patch! So that could still end up being a massive download anyway!
I'm looking forward to picking this one up in a few months. Too many games and not enough time at the moment which is actually getting a bit frustrating. I'm not paying full whack for a game that is going to sit unplayed though so I'm staying disciplined on this!
Is there a reason why we are thinking multiple discs means less to download to the HDD?
There's still going to be a day 1 patch... the 2 discs means absolutely diddly squat as to how ridiculously big that day 1 patch may or may not be.
This just screams of marketing. "Look how big our game is" message without the negativity of "how many GB did they just say I needed?! That's crazy!"
It's clever, I guess.
But at some point, near launch, we will still have the "how many GB did they just say I needed?! That's crazy" for the patch. So it's all irrelevant in the end.
Cloud Gaming is inevitable, but we're still a long way away from it replacing hardware.
The PS5 is the ugliest and bulkiest piece of hardware I've ever seen. Do I even want whatever a PS6 is going to look like in my living room?
Moreover, do I even want a huge TV screen attached to my living room wall in the near future?
AR/VR technology is moving slowly, but it's coming. It's inevitable. Cloud gaming is a key part of that future. We're just at a frustrating point where you have companies like Sony who still need to sell physical TV screens... and Samsung who still need to sell physical mobile phones.
Wearable tech has been talked about for so long, but we're still not quite at tipping point. We will get there one day though. 10 years. 20 years. Just look at how far phones have come in 30 years.
Not yet, but I will. I'm not into fighting games anywhere near enough to justify paying full price! I'll wait for the second price drop around Christmas time - looking forward to it though!
Absolutely no chance they continue to work on anything LOTR related after this Gollum horror show.
There will be a lot of people that actually care about the LOTR brand and will ensure this studio goes nowhere near it in the future. Second chance? Sod off. This is LOTR. It's one of the most successful and recognisable entertainment brands in the world. You get one chance. You failed. Miserably.
Suggests they still have a fair bit of work to do on the game before they are confident on the release date...
...although don't forget this is also expected to be a peak game release. They will be keeping their cards close to their chests to avoid a competitor release date too.
If your plan is to release a portable device for remote play... Why allow remote play to already work on every pre-existing portable device?
I'm sorry but it's just plain stupid. They have already eroded the market this device would serve. The price point is irrelevant too - even if this comes in around the 200 mark I'd still argue you are better putting the 200 towards a Tablet or new phone.
Besides... they haven't told us the price. If this was coming out at 200 and perceived to be "cheap / good value" I think they'd have told us already.
Sony should spend less time talking about other hardware makers and more time watching and learning. This device is so off the mark it's embarrassing!
And not to bash too much here... (I do like Sony really) but claiming those earbuds offer "outstanding sound quality" without telling g us any of the associated spec is like I've gone back in time to the 90s when marketing was essentially just telling lies!
I use an iPad and a dualsense. This device is utterly pointless.
If you really want to go this route then just sell me the dualsense that comes in two halves and can connect to a wide range of devices. That has a purpose.
This LCD with no mobile data is just utterly rubbish. It's doa. Absolute fail from Sony - are they even serious about this? It's never going to sell!
They clearly mean their sales haven't taken a nose dive. They really won't care about comments from people who don't buy full price anyway.
I have no idea why everyone is so up in arms over pricing going up anyway. Everything is going up in price so why wouldn't games? They are bigger, better and cost significantly more to make.
Also, everyone moaning. When was the last time you even bought a game full price? You don't do it. You shop around and find a good deal.
And finally. Like it or not... whe you don't buy brand new full price, you are still accepting the price rise by buying it cheaper elsewhere or waiting for a sale. That's because the sale price is higher than previously. The discount is the same % NOT the same value.
Even without a cost of living crisis, I'm only picking one fighting game to play in a calendar year. Let's hope Tekken 8 is 2024, but revealing characters at this frequency in May 2023 suggests it could be this year.
Poor planning to go up against SF6. MK was always likely around now too - given you are releasing a fighting game, you will obviously look closely at competitors and plan accordingly.
Tekken 8 so soon after SF6 and MK 1(2) is plain stupid.
This is the correct order. PS5 is a step in the right direction, but way too short. The PS5 sound would be great if it played after you select the account. It is therefore missing a startup sound that would play before loading the accounts. And would ideally be longer.
This bundle is literally just ripping you off... you can get marginally better deals on the console, and you can get much better deals on the software if you go physical - which, oh yea, the bundled console plays discs. Just plain silly.
@Phornix I watched a gameplay trailer for the Gollum game on Saturday and I'm still scratching my head Tuesday night. It looks utterly dreadful so far... I mean, I hope it proves to be much better than what they've shown, but yea, that's up there with some of the worst gameplay I've seen for a long time. The game wasn't particularly pleasing on the eyes either... no joking here, but didn't LOTRO look better than this?!
Disc based console... with a download code. Nothing related to Final Fantasy on either the console or the controller.
Is there a reason Sony don't want to build more hype for this game? Too much hype already, or what?
I thought this was the most significant release in the console's history (taking into account the pandemic impact and GT7 getting off to a rough start). Sony Europe should have signed up for that controller they have in Japan... missed opportunity.
Considering the significance of the release isn't this review a little on the short side? The game is bigger and better, but why isn't there more to say about it then? As someone that hasnt played the previous game, I'm sorry to say I really didn't find this review very helpful at all!
I appreciate the updates for sure. Would love more tracks, even if it was remastered tracks from previous games actually, and I'd love more music too. It's good post release support, but we all know they could do a whole lot more...
When you consider how dominent COD and FIFA have been for literally decades, can we all just take a moment to soak in the magnitude of what's coming on the horizon? PlayStation without FIFA and without COD. Whatever your opinion and feeling, this is a significant moment.
Bring it on I say... change is overdue. Of course, easy for me to say. I don't have money riding on it!
But I'll say one thing... if Sony bring out a new FPS, I'll buy it and support it for 50-60 quid far sooner than I will lay down 500 on another console (whatever the console).
All games should have this feature on a shortcut button as a default. I applaud the developer for highlighting this feature, but at the same time, I'm scratching my head as to why in 2023 we are applauding such a basic feature that just should be available for everyone on every game.
In fact, isn't it something the hardware could implement itself? Making games more accessible (and this doesn't mean just addressing disabilities) is a good way to grow the industry.
I'd happily take a shorter RPG that has a decent, well written and constructed story with film quality voice acting.
Finally got around to finishing FF7 Remake this weekend, and for all its spectacular achievements... (and there are many), the voice acting and the frankly absolute nonsense that we sit through with the "story" is just utterly crap.
100s of millions being spent they say, well can you throw a salary at someone that can write a story without simply throwing in nonsense to drag it out? Sephiroth is one of the best characters ever created, but my god, what nonsense I have played here?!
A new MK game is always a great moment. I am a bit surprised we're not seeing another Injustice first though.
Sony claim they want to be the home of fighting games genre... surely they'd want a super hero fighting game for the masses, because as much as I adore MK... there's only so many copies of that game you will ever sell. Injustice has the potential to attract more players I think.
These developers are drawing false conclusions from their own asumptions and warped experiences (warped as a developer versus a core gamer consumer I mean).
All that money that was spent on Cyberpunk. How much of it do you think they spent on consumer research? Research BEFORE the game was made I mean... not gauging response to your advertising. It'll be a few thousand at most.
Do some actual factual research on RPGs and then make the game. You'll find we're not such a demanding bunch at all.
A decent story - not disjointed nonsense written by someone that's been locked in a basement their entire life would be a solid starting point.
Excited about a FF game for the first time since 12. Got the PS5 specifically for this title, and there will be many others that finally bite the bullet.
FF16 is the mass system seller title. GT7 should have been too (but will definitely help now it's in better shape). I'm playing GT7 while I wait, and there will be many, many others doing the same.
Definitely looks interesting, but not impressed by the writing or that lead character. It's like Shadow Of Mordor levels of "I don't care about this character one bit!"
@Darude84 Yep I know what you mean. I do think there's a market for it though. I see there being core gamers who literally never use remote play - and these are the bread and butter for Sony.
There is definitely a growing market of less core gamer though, who don't have as much time (for various legitimate reasons) and therefore would be interested in finding ways to squeeze gaming into gaps within their schedule. Remote Play is genuinely a good solution for this.
Switch does this already, and Sony would be smart to target the Switch gamers that want a similar setup but with more AAA games the PS5 can provide.
Nintendo have masterfully reactivated an older gaming audience with Switch, and Sony should take the opportunity to swoop in and get them onto PS5 now as well.
We joke about it, but it's actually a pretty major flaw with the PS5 and having to uninstall and reinstall games to manage space for new games is definitely something that results in me buying less software overall.
@Darude84 You have to put the PS5 to sleep (not off) and then you turn it on from the device via Remote Play app.
As for the purpose... I guess the main point to make is that it works over the internet, so you can be anywhere in the world and play your PS5 - although if you're playing the disc, you only get one game to choose of course.
Depending on circumstances there are plenty of other reasons too. I don't put Mortal Kombat on the TV when the kids are about, as one example.
This sounds like something Sony would be exploring, but I suspect they ultimately rejected the idea.
You can use any mobile phone, tablet or even a portable monitor with an existing controller and achieve this at a cost of zero.
We all have phones. Most have tablets. A lot have the option of a portable monitor if working from home. I doubt Sony would bother with this product.
It's also about managing expectations. I pair am existing screen with an existing controller to play on Remote Play and I am a lot more forgiving when it doesn't work perfectly/ disconnects again. If I buy a dedicated device at a premium cost and it still doesn't work then "oh its your ISP" doesn't cut it as an excuse to rely on.
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Re: Why Not Watch a Really, Really Long Exoprimal PS5, PS4 Trailer?
This looks dreadful. Wow. 2023 really is a peculiar year. I don't remember a recent year with this many truly excellent games AND this many truly dreadful games.
Also, why would you put Street Fighter content anywhere near this? Likely to do more harm to SF than any good to this!
Re: Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth's PS5 Trailer Compared to PS1 Original
@NEStalgia Genuine question here as I've seen a few people say similar to your comment now. How does having 2 discs in the box translate to there being less to download?
The game is too big to fit on 1 disc. That's why there is a second disc. We don't know how much of that second disc has been used... if it's also full, then there would likely still be a download on top of it?
Also, day one patch is still very likely and that patch is surely likely to be even bigger for a 2 disc game depending on what needs patching / likely more to patch! So that could still end up being a massive download anyway!
Re: Poll: What Review Score Would You Give Street Fighter 6?
I'm looking forward to picking this one up in a few months. Too many games and not enough time at the moment which is actually getting a bit frustrating. I'm not paying full whack for a game that is going to sit unplayed though so I'm staying disciplined on this!
Re: Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth Will Ship on Two PS5 Discs, Square Enix Proudly Points Out
Is there a reason why we are thinking multiple discs means less to download to the HDD?
There's still going to be a day 1 patch... the 2 discs means absolutely diddly squat as to how ridiculously big that day 1 patch may or may not be.
This just screams of marketing. "Look how big our game is" message without the negativity of "how many GB did they just say I needed?! That's crazy!"
It's clever, I guess.
But at some point, near launch, we will still have the "how many GB did they just say I needed?! That's crazy" for the patch. So it's all irrelevant in the end.
Re: Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth PS5 Has 'New Comrades' You Can 'Cooperate With'
Just make it look even better now that PS4 can be dropped and we're good.
Re: Sony: Cloud Gaming Is an Amazing Business Model, But There Are Big Challenges
Cloud Gaming is inevitable, but we're still a long way away from it replacing hardware.
The PS5 is the ugliest and bulkiest piece of hardware I've ever seen. Do I even want whatever a PS6 is going to look like in my living room?
Moreover, do I even want a huge TV screen attached to my living room wall in the near future?
AR/VR technology is moving slowly, but it's coming. It's inevitable. Cloud gaming is a key part of that future. We're just at a frustrating point where you have companies like Sony who still need to sell physical TV screens... and Samsung who still need to sell physical mobile phones.
Wearable tech has been talked about for so long, but we're still not quite at tipping point. We will get there one day though. 10 years. 20 years. Just look at how far phones have come in 30 years.
Re: Poll: Are You Playing Street Fighter 6?
Not yet, but I will. I'm not into fighting games anywhere near enough to justify paying full price! I'll wait for the second price drop around Christmas time - looking forward to it though!
Re: Gollum Studio Daedelic has Another Lord of the Rings Game in Development
Not for long they don't!
Absolutely no chance they continue to work on anything LOTR related after this Gollum horror show.
There will be a lot of people that actually care about the LOTR brand and will ensure this studio goes nowhere near it in the future. Second chance? Sod off. This is LOTR. It's one of the most successful and recognisable entertainment brands in the world. You get one chance. You failed. Miserably.
Re: Spider-Man 2 PS5 Release Date, Pre-Order Details Coming Soon
Suggests they still have a fair bit of work to do on the game before they are confident on the release date...
...although don't forget this is also expected to be a peak game release. They will be keeping their cards close to their chests to avoid a competitor release date too.
Re: Sony's Portable PS5 Streaming Handheld Launches Later This Year
If your plan is to release a portable device for remote play... Why allow remote play to already work on every pre-existing portable device?
I'm sorry but it's just plain stupid. They have already eroded the market this device would serve. The price point is irrelevant too - even if this comes in around the 200 mark I'd still argue you are better putting the 200 towards a Tablet or new phone.
Besides... they haven't told us the price. If this was coming out at 200 and perceived to be "cheap / good value" I think they'd have told us already.
Sony should spend less time talking about other hardware makers and more time watching and learning. This device is so off the mark it's embarrassing!
And not to bash too much here... (I do like Sony really) but claiming those earbuds offer "outstanding sound quality" without telling g us any of the associated spec is like I've gone back in time to the 90s when marketing was essentially just telling lies!
It's just poor. Very poor.
Re: Sony's Portable PS5 Streaming Handheld Launches Later This Year
I use an iPad and a dualsense. This device is utterly pointless.
If you really want to go this route then just sell me the dualsense that comes in two halves and can connect to a wide range of devices. That has a purpose.
This LCD with no mobile data is just utterly rubbish. It's doa. Absolute fail from Sony - are they even serious about this? It's never going to sell!
Re: Feature: Take Part in the PlayStation Showcase Predictions Quiz
Metal Gear Solid is happening. New Uncharted will be shown. And there's a huge expansion for Gran Turismo on the way. Good times, if true!
Re: Soapbox: Marvel's Spider-Man 2 PS5 Should Adapt This Quintessential Storyline
Each to their own, obviously, but I do not play Spiderman for the story...
Re: Publisher Take-Two Claims It's 'Not Seeing Pushback' From Players on $70 Price Tag
They clearly mean their sales haven't taken a nose dive. They really won't care about comments from people who don't buy full price anyway.
I have no idea why everyone is so up in arms over pricing going up anyway. Everything is going up in price so why wouldn't games? They are bigger, better and cost significantly more to make.
Also, everyone moaning. When was the last time you even bought a game full price? You don't do it. You shop around and find a good deal.
And finally. Like it or not... whe you don't buy brand new full price, you are still accepting the price rise by buying it cheaper elsewhere or waiting for a sale. That's because the sale price is higher than previously. The discount is the same % NOT the same value.
Re: Hwoarang Is Ready to Kick You to Bits In Tekken 8
Tekken 8, SF6, MK 1(2).
Even without a cost of living crisis, I'm only picking one fighting game to play in a calendar year. Let's hope Tekken 8 is 2024, but revealing characters at this frequency in May 2023 suggests it could be this year.
Poor planning to go up against SF6. MK was always likely around now too - given you are releasing a fighting game, you will obviously look closely at competitors and plan accordingly.
Tekken 8 so soon after SF6 and MK 1(2) is plain stupid.
Re: Poll: What's the Best PlayStation Startup Sequence?
5th PS4
4th PS5
3rd PS3
2nd PS2
1st PS1
This is the correct order. PS5 is a step in the right direction, but way too short. The PS5 sound would be great if it played after you select the account. It is therefore missing a startup sound that would play before loading the accounts. And would ideally be longer.
Re: Final Fantasy 16 Really Wants You to Know Its Action Combat Can Be Made Easy
Is there an accessory that makes it ATB? 😉
Re: Sorry, But the Drama Over Xbox's Activision Buyout Ain't Over Yet
There's no need to test Britain's resolve. We always stand by the correct decision.
Re: Make Sure Arsenal Win the Premier League in FIFA 23 on EA Play
As a Spurs fan... I got nothing. No, literally nothing. The trophy cabinet is empty.
Re: How Many Betas Does Street Fighter 6 Need? One More, Apparently
Fighting games particularly rely on being bug free and certainly need to be well balanced, so the Betas make sense.
Re: Final Fantasy 16's PS5 Console Bundle Can Be Pre-Ordered Now
This bundle is literally just ripping you off... you can get marginally better deals on the console, and you can get much better deals on the software if you go physical - which, oh yea, the bundled console plays discs. Just plain silly.
Re: Upcoming PS5, PS4 Games for May and June 2023
@Phornix I watched a gameplay trailer for the Gollum game on Saturday and I'm still scratching my head Tuesday night. It looks utterly dreadful so far... I mean, I hope it proves to be much better than what they've shown, but yea, that's up there with some of the worst gameplay I've seen for a long time. The game wasn't particularly pleasing on the eyes either... no joking here, but didn't LOTRO look better than this?!
Re: Preview: Street Fighter 6 PS5, PS4 Chucks the Kitchen Sink At Fans Who Complained About the Previous Game
Definitely picking this one up!
Re: Upcoming PS5, PS4 Games for May and June 2023
It feels like the post-covid floodgates have finally opened in 2023! We're getting spoilt. Nevermind the money to buy them all... where is the time?!
Re: Official Final Fantasy 16 PS5 Console Bundle Revealed
Disc based console... with a download code. Nothing related to Final Fantasy on either the console or the controller.
Is there a reason Sony don't want to build more hype for this game? Too much hype already, or what?
I thought this was the most significant release in the console's history (taking into account the pandemic impact and GT7 getting off to a rough start). Sony Europe should have signed up for that controller they have in Japan... missed opportunity.
Re: Star Wars Jedi: Survivor (PS5) - Fantastic Sequel Is Bigger and Better in Every Way
Considering the significance of the release isn't this review a little on the short side? The game is bigger and better, but why isn't there more to say about it then? As someone that hasnt played the previous game, I'm sorry to say I really didn't find this review very helpful at all!
Re: Gran Turismo 7's Free PS5, PS4 Update Adds More Cars, Single Player Content
I appreciate the updates for sure. Would love more tracks, even if it was remastered tracks from previous games actually, and I'd love more music too. It's good post release support, but we all know they could do a whole lot more...
Re: There's One Upcoming Call of Duty Game Xbox's Activision Buyout Can't Take Away from PS5, PS4 Owners
When you consider how dominent COD and FIFA have been for literally decades, can we all just take a moment to soak in the magnitude of what's coming on the horizon? PlayStation without FIFA and without COD. Whatever your opinion and feeling, this is a significant moment.
Bring it on I say... change is overdue. Of course, easy for me to say. I don't have money riding on it!
But I'll say one thing... if Sony bring out a new FPS, I'll buy it and support it for 50-60 quid far sooner than I will lay down 500 on another console (whatever the console).
Re: Star Wars Jedi: Survivor Accessibility Options, Slow Mode Detailed
All games should have this feature on a shortcut button as a default. I applaud the developer for highlighting this feature, but at the same time, I'm scratching my head as to why in 2023 we are applauding such a basic feature that just should be available for everyone on every game.
In fact, isn't it something the hardware could implement itself? Making games more accessible (and this doesn't mean just addressing disabilities) is a good way to grow the industry.
Re: Can You Put a Price on a Quality RPG? Yes, and It's Rising All the Time
I'd happily take a shorter RPG that has a decent, well written and constructed story with film quality voice acting.
Finally got around to finishing FF7 Remake this weekend, and for all its spectacular achievements... (and there are many), the voice acting and the frankly absolute nonsense that we sit through with the "story" is just utterly crap.
100s of millions being spent they say, well can you throw a salary at someone that can write a story without simply throwing in nonsense to drag it out? Sephiroth is one of the best characters ever created, but my god, what nonsense I have played here?!
Re: Mortal Kombat 12 Could Be Primed for PS5, PS4's Big Showcase
A new MK game is always a great moment. I am a bit surprised we're not seeing another Injustice first though.
Sony claim they want to be the home of fighting games genre... surely they'd want a super hero fighting game for the masses, because as much as I adore MK... there's only so many copies of that game you will ever sell. Injustice has the potential to attract more players I think.
Re: Can You Put a Price on a Quality RPG? Yes, and It's Rising All the Time
These developers are drawing false conclusions from their own asumptions and warped experiences (warped as a developer versus a core gamer consumer I mean).
All that money that was spent on Cyberpunk. How much of it do you think they spent on consumer research? Research BEFORE the game was made I mean... not gauging response to your advertising. It'll be a few thousand at most.
Do some actual factual research on RPGs and then make the game. You'll find we're not such a demanding bunch at all.
A decent story - not disjointed nonsense written by someone that's been locked in a basement their entire life would be a solid starting point.
Re: Final Fantasy 16's Mind-Blowing PS5 Visuals Have Improved Drastically Since the Game Was Announced
Excited about a FF game for the first time since 12. Got the PS5 specifically for this title, and there will be many others that finally bite the bullet.
FF16 is the mass system seller title. GT7 should have been too (but will definitely help now it's in better shape). I'm playing GT7 while I wait, and there will be many, many others doing the same.
Glad PS5 has finally kicked off.
Re: Site News: Where Is Our Horizon Forbidden West: Burning Shores PS5 Review?
I love the "we won't rush" in the same sentence as "will have it to you this week".
Oh to go back to the days where finishing a game/significant DLC in half a week wasn't a rush.
Re: Preview: Single Player Spell-Based FPS Immortals of Aveum Looks Like Pure PS5 Magic
Definitely looks interesting, but not impressed by the writing or that lead character. It's like Shadow Of Mordor levels of "I don't care about this character one bit!"
Re: Talking Point: Would You Care About a PS5 Remote Play Handheld?
@Darude84 Yep I know what you mean. I do think there's a market for it though. I see there being core gamers who literally never use remote play - and these are the bread and butter for Sony.
There is definitely a growing market of less core gamer though, who don't have as much time (for various legitimate reasons) and therefore would be interested in finding ways to squeeze gaming into gaps within their schedule. Remote Play is genuinely a good solution for this.
Switch does this already, and Sony would be smart to target the Switch gamers that want a similar setup but with more AAA games the PS5 can provide.
Nintendo have masterfully reactivated an older gaming audience with Switch, and Sony should take the opportunity to swoop in and get them onto PS5 now as well.
Re: Star Wars Jedi: Survivor's PS5 File Size Might Be Ridiculous
We joke about it, but it's actually a pretty major flaw with the PS5 and having to uninstall and reinstall games to manage space for new games is definitely something that results in me buying less software overall.
Re: Talking Point: Would You Care About a PS5 Remote Play Handheld?
@Darude84 You have to put the PS5 to sleep (not off) and then you turn it on from the device via Remote Play app.
As for the purpose... I guess the main point to make is that it works over the internet, so you can be anywhere in the world and play your PS5 - although if you're playing the disc, you only get one game to choose of course.
Depending on circumstances there are plenty of other reasons too. I don't put Mortal Kombat on the TV when the kids are about, as one example.
Re: With All Eyes on Activision Blizzard, EA Is Actually Driving Most Console User Engagement
I honestly think EA losing the FIFA license is the catalyst for positive change. I'm looking forward to Jedi Survivor.
Re: Rumour: PS Vita 2 Dreams Killed But Sony Might Have a 'Cloud-Streaming Handheld' in the Works
This sounds like something Sony would be exploring, but I suspect they ultimately rejected the idea.
You can use any mobile phone, tablet or even a portable monitor with an existing controller and achieve this at a cost of zero.
We all have phones. Most have tablets. A lot have the option of a portable monitor if working from home. I doubt Sony would bother with this product.
It's also about managing expectations. I pair am existing screen with an existing controller to play on Remote Play and I am a lot more forgiving when it doesn't work perfectly/ disconnects again. If I buy a dedicated device at a premium cost and it still doesn't work then "oh its your ISP" doesn't cut it as an excuse to rely on.