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@Ooccoo_Jr ah thanks. Yeah thought so. Even my TLoU Remastered PS4 bundle was just a digital code so this kinda seemed like the norm now. Though strangely my TLoU 2 PS4 Pro came with a physical copy of the game. Hmm.

Well in any case, it's probably digital downloads from here on out.

@LiamCroft Thanks for clarifying. Now I think the only thing still in question is whether the Disc PS5 also just comes with a code for HFW when bundled. Fairly certain this is the case but realizing I don't actually know for certain.

@Ralizah tbf you do get a physical piece of paper with a picture of the game lol.

But I'm kinda just guessing that's the case with the disc bundle. From experience game bundles in recent years have just been console + game code for download. Maybe someone can confirm though, in this case.

@Ralizah I assumed so. Because the Disc PS5 also just comes with a code. That's how I took the wording in the article anyway.

Bit of chicanery if you ask me but if it didn't count towards physical it would count as a digital sale which, y'know, still contributes to sales numbers they can boast about.

@Ralizah @Atreus97 Yeah another bundle would be nice. GT7 specifically would make the most sense. An adventure-ish title bundle and a sports title bundle. As it is I've recently contributed to yet another physical sale for Horizon, despite already owning it, because I bought a digital PS5.

It's been surprisingly difficult to sell the digital code for the game also, especially with the game being on sale, so that's a bit of bad timing.

@kyleforrester87 the 92% NFT sales crash might also be an indicator. There was an initial craze because it was new and celebs were pushing it. It's only a handful of enthusiasts left. And by enthusiasts I mean people who are left holding the bag and really want NFTs to take off again so they can offload.

@get2sammyb I guess I'm not getting why companies need to take a serious look at NFTs when it's fairly clear everyone hates them. Feel like things usually work best when a business can find that intersection between what makes money and what people like. NFTs are just so clearly not it.

I'm more confounded than mad about it though honestly.

@Juanalf lol yeah I can see that. And if their track record weren't littered with abysmal decisions regarding their DC properties, I might also want to see it and judge for myself. This is kinda how I felt about the Snyder Cut but turns out, still mostly garbage. And as a DC fan it's just starting to get old so I'm willing to entertain the possibility maybe this is for the best. Just trying to silver lining this I guess.

@PapaGlitch Harley Quinn and the rest of their animated films are actually pretty good. Not sure why this never translates to live action.

To be fair it seems it was only mostly completed. And given statements about needing to "protect" the characters it's extremely likely, given DC film history, the movie was just trash so maybe shelving it and developing a ten year plan will look quite sensible in a few years time. Feel bad for the people involved though.

Anyway also good to hear this won't impact Multiversus. Not my cup of tea but it seems quite popular.

@thefourfoldroot1 fairly healthy way to look at it imo. So expect some pushback.

Noticing that it lists what subscription tier a game falls under when applicable (EA Play, Extra, etc) in the store but when not signed in there are a few cases where that's highly misleading. Makes it seem like some games come with premium tier when it fact it's just the game trials. Seems a little sus is all.

@PegasusActual93 eh, I just think looks matter when you already have characters who we've seen. A character from a book wouldn't carry the same expectations imo. But this idea that people aren't going to be picky about characters they've frankly fallen in love with seems a tad unrealistic.

But I'd agree, we cast actors to act. And English actors have proven incredibly adept at their craft. That's undeniable. But to give an example, I love Hugh Grant (who doesn't?) and we could cast him as the President of the US but he's probably better suited for PM. And we can leave POTUS to say, Billy Bob Thornton.

All that to say, actors can act but in some cases the visuals just don't align as well as they could.

Edit: and yes things to do get a little fuzzy regarding America because melting pot but I'm sure I could go to certain "rallies" here in the states and come back, sadly, with some unquestionably American faces.

@PegasusActual93 @SystemAddict I elaborated in subsequent comments and kinda tire of defending a statement that was meant far more playfully than everyone is taking it but I do feel the need to clarify again, this was not a "all British people look the same" type deal.

I simply meant some people have immutable physical characteristics that really are common wherever they are from. That's just, like, observation, not insult. Some Eastern Europeans look the part, some Scandinavians, some Irish etc. Why people are taking this as a negative I'm not sure but again I'll reiterate... I also think there are some Americans who look so undeniably American-ish, they'd probably have a hard time passing as anything else.

Show business is, among other things, a superficial medium. And none of how one looks really matters all that much except in this case. Even then, it was never meant as an insult. People look a certain way. I look a certain way. Didn't know that would be quite so incendiary.

@IonMagi Absolutely agree. There are always some indie gems but it's hard to discern if any game outside of the most recognizable titles is worth your time when there's really way too much to sift through and there's not even a base level of quality control.

I actively try not to visit the store. That, to me, seems like a problem.

@get2sammyb @IonMagi they even clutter up the pre-orders section. like it's practically useless scrolling through with the amount of junk on the PS store these days.

@AchievingInGames lol seriously? Racist towards Brits? Just never heard that one but possibly I guess.

I'll say this and then let it go... I'm sure the casting director for Downton Abbey wasn't at all in search of a certain look. Not one bit.

@KundaliniRising333 it's just your description of the game as simplistic, going as far as to call the combat easy, does make one wonder.

Guess I don't know what else needs to be fleshed out. It's like saying Life is Strange or Edith Finch need rpg and shooter elements or they aren't fully fleshed out.

Love the idea of an Arkham game but with Babs though statements like this do worry me: "Gotham Knights is more of a co-op, online game."

Definitely one of the greatest within its genre.

But yeah the comments here should be fun.

Like does Russell Brand even need to open his mouth for people to guess that he's British? Sometimes people are just so obviously British. I didn't mean to be controversial or even hurtful saying that. On the flip side there are people who look obviously American - like painfully so.

And then other times I look someone up that was amazing in an American role and lo and behold they're British and I had no idea. This happens all the time. So not saying all British people look the same. Just that some very much look the part.

But to be clear, none of this was meant as a slight. So my apologies there.

@danzoEX @Richnj @AdamNovice @Weebleman I've already complained about Joel too, yes. And yeah they could have found someone more befitting of what I think of as Joel but the more images I see with Pascal in the role, I've gotten over it.

Just to be clear though, no problem with British actors taking on American roles. They usually do fine if not better. And yeah, usually better. I'm just saying some actors look quite British and I don't think of Ellie as looking that British. In the same way I don't think of Robin Hood as having an American accent while looking like Kevin Costner.

It's really a minor thing. Just think the casting on this is peculiar. But I already knew this would prove an unpopular and admittedly ignorant sounding opinion so that's on me really.

This is gonna go over well on this site but I'm sorry, she looks visibly British... which hey great for say 28 Days Later or whatever but not buying her as Ellie. We'll see though. Lord knows I'm gonna watch it regardless. Just kinda surprised we couldn't find an all American looking tomboy in the entire country apparently.

I'm wondering where folks are shopping that physical is so much cheaper than digital. Genuinely curious. Are we talking like a used copy with considerable wear with no case on eBay? That kind of thing?

@Deljo @riceNpea @WeirdAlUHF334 @PhhhCough
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Controller
1) vibration, brightness can be adjusted
2) something to do with mic and haptics (idk)
3) mic can be set to off by default in settings
4) long pressing mic button mutes all audio
5) sleep timer for controller in settings or hold home button for 10 seconds to turn off

Quick Access
6) holding home button takes you home, tapping home button opens control bar
7) 'easy screenshots' setting allows for tapping share/capture button for instant screenshots
8) turn off screenshot save confirmation on settings
9) turning on auto upload allows captures to be accessed from mobile app
10) from home screen or store, pressing triangle then x brings up search
11) activity cards (Zzzz)
12) double tap home when playing to bring up trophy tracking and parties and such

Quality of life
13) before logging in, press options to hide online
14) home music can be turned off in settings
15) hover over icons in control center and press options to edit/rearrange icons
16) hover over a game on home screen and press options for menu that allows pinning to home screen
17) Spotify can keep playing even while in game
18) games can be added to wishlist, sale will prompt a notification (very handy)
19) console sharing (in user settings)
20) the PlayStation mobile app

So am I hired?

@Shstrick I have a few coworkers like this. I think some people are just more geared toward picking stuff up when they see it in a store. Like a premeditated form of impulse buying.

Okay, I'm gonna stop posting now lol.

@NEStalgia "But the economists seem to have no idea about any of this because they make $500,000/yr and don't see any difference in their wallet as their assets appreciate daily"

Lol, this.

Yeah the trick is getting the digital console these days. Disc edition (HFW bundle) is basically getting stocked every week at several different retailers, staying in stock for hours or more. In the US anyway.

Even then I still got a Digital Edition just yesterday from PS Direct but it is bothersome, imo, to be forced to shop via Twitter alerts. Especially when your job isn't conducive to you dropping everything to tap away on your phone.

Still it does seem a bit like a turning point. Feel like I can actually tell people in my day to day life I own a PS5 without worrying about being burgled later.

@NEStalgia never played that. funny.

true that education in general could be more well rounded and not be so geared toward "getting yours" in life.

yeah there were a couple times where AOL was just about the only way to access the internet. definitely got exposed to some weird stuff way too young lol.

Is that a line she actually says?

....wow.

Wtf? It doesn't look anything like Tom Holland.

@themightyant maybe we can settle on the truth of my joke being that maybe yes, social media, unbridled and wild wild west at it is, was an oversight on our part.

@MasterVGuides yeah anonymity is equals parts bug and essential feature. and it takes a great deal of self awareness, self restraint, and frankly empathy to take full advantage of that anonymity and still treat others like you would in real life. It's something I certainly wasn't taught, but then the internet was just beginning to blossom back in my day.

But now... it's so integrated into our lives, I don't understand why there's not a greater push toward educating our youth on internet etiquette.

@Areus No cap, as the kids would say. Or, I think they still say that. <Insert obligatory Steve Buscemi gif here>

@KundaliniRising333 yeah, figured I'd get some flak for the Gore comment. Lol. It's just nice to have a scapegoat... even if it's the wrong one.

Seriously though, it's all in jest because that's my only response to such disheartening behavior.

@get2sammyb Well don't take me too terribly serious. Perhaps I needed an emoji of some kind to help relay my intended playful tone.

Still, I can't be the only one that questions the cost to benefit ratio at times, especially in regards to social media. Like, threats of violence?! Over a video game? Just... why?

Not to get hysterical but the internet was a mistake. Thanks Al Gore.

@EverydayRobot Everyone sees through your act is all. There are a ton of across the board improvements but you're choosing to not only dislike this new iteration, but also tell everyone about it, on account of one particular improvement. The dog whistle here is audible enough.

Funny thing is you'll almost certainly still buy it but continue to tell everyone you won't be taken in by woke features like these.

Yeah I just don't get it. Like I guess it raises awareness. Maybe. Who knows. I have a hard time imagining someone not knowing about climate change but learning of it here first.

With that in mind, inserting piddly reforestation tasks in a video game seems a fairly hollow gesture in the face of oh, y'know, extinction.

But maybe I'm just being too negative about this idk. Maybe it's better than nothing. Or maybe it is nothing. Really hard to tell.

@The_Moose 50% is probably a slightly overzealous estimate, I admit, but we may have to agree to disagree that people ought to hold their tongues in the face of backwards views simply for sharing the same country. There's some ignorance in every country to be sure but there's nothing wrong with pointing it out either imo.

Edit: or to put it a better way, I can understand being a little exhausted by this minority's intolerance.

@The_Moose I think an example would be clinging to the idea that women are inferior, or representing them in media is an affront to one's sensibilities... I think that's the willful ignorance referenced here specifically, because any person living in the modern world should and does know better.

And yet, here we are in a thread where someone was banned because "female protag bad."

Sounds cool. I'm actually almost tempted by this but I just haven't been able to get into GTA for awhile now. But I'll not write it off completely, maybe they'll bring something new and different enough to the formula.

@R1spam Or it's hard to sell a headset as cheap as they were without the data mining aspect to subsidize it. Also my take is they've probably been pouring money into their VR meta stuff with little return. This is one of the outcomes.

@dellyrascal In many respects, I feel similarly. I gamed on PC for years through my early teens and late 20s. And now I'm old(er) and just do not want to deal with the headache. So it's not something I stress over but yeah, if I were calling the shots console exclusives would remain on console - to further entice people into a proprietary ecosystem.

Yet despite me having it all figured out no one asks me to be in charge. 🤷 So it is what it is, yes.

@dellyrascal yeah it's just that no one is stopping people who can't play Returnal (and other exclusives) from ponying up the cash for a console like the rest of us. Like when I love an exclusive title sure I'd like everyone to play it meaning I think they should get a PlayStation, not get the game on PC with better specs and cheaper.

@Milktastrophe funny thing is you probably could replace it with a kart and it would be just as fun. Which kinda supports Liam's point.

@Jettstyles but you can also turn the TV off in most cases and still play whatever through the headset. that's sometimes handy.

@BritneyfR_ee in terms of specs the PSVR2 will be superior in pretty much every way (except for the wire) so I imagine it will be more expensive.

Sigh Like this comment from yet another article about TLoU Part I:

DualWielding2:26pm
"The problem is that they are thinking of two different things.. the Naughty Dog Developers are looking at how much work they put onto it and how technologically superior it is... But that's mot relevant to most consumers.. consumers don't care about real time vs pre rendered or any of that... Only how betters it looks, and to the untrained eye it doesn't look $70.00 better"

Like, it's so back and forth depending on who you ask as to whether the issue is mechanics or it just doesn't look good enough. The mechanics criticism is somewhat more fair, even if certain mechanics would have broken the game, but it doesn't look that much better?! No one being honest can sit down right now, boot up TLoU Remastered, and say it looks even close to as good as 2. Which is what this remake is doing. Feel like everyone agrees 2 looks amazing. Probably the best looking game on PS4 but then you tell people well hey let's make the first one look like that and then suddenly the difference isn't that drastic in their eyes. It's like, what?

No worries on the lengthy reply. It's crazy how long a reply can get when you feel you haven't even said that much. Not sure I catch the deleted content part but in any case I'm not too interested in getting mired in an overly complex economic discussion. I frankly hate talking economics. Could be that I'm a child of the 80s and all I've every known is the unfettered capitalism that you say is a broken free market. I see it as just where capitalism is and always will end up but we can agree to disagree on that.

Not sure endless inflation on discretionary items was where I was going with my comments but yeah they are always going to go up when other costs (and wages) go up. But with considerations like market size also dictating how much prices can rise, as you've mentioned. Interestingly I've bought textbooks that were a couple hundred. Another racket for another discussion though.

Also like, the bloated budgets... I'm bewildered because budgets for every artistic medium have that. And it's either your thing or it's not. But I don't know that the companies churning out any high budget content are forcing the costs onto consumers because that assumes consumers have to buy but they don't. Big budget stuff isn't for everyone and that's okay. That's why there usually exists room for indie stuff. Movies, music, literature... I'm happy there's a spectrum. Should there not be?

But anyway, to swing this back around, I still think the leak was essentially a low blow. Even more statements coming out now about how much of a misrepresentation it is of the final product.

I could be wrong and this could be a near identical replay of 2077 but I'm willing to give these guys the benefit of the doubt until they prove me wrong. And I stand by the notion that this is probably the best approach to this. If they've yet to screw over consumers thus far, is it not possible people are just jumping to conclusions? And that's rhetorical, I'm willing to agree to disagree on this as well lol.

@NEStalgia one thing that sticks out for me here is the broader convo on price points. I can honestly say my perception of a reasonable price is detached from valued added at point of production. Because frankly I have no idea about the economics on their side and really never have -and don't care that much if I'm being honest. Like when I'd send off for my $30-$40 copy of Rise of the Triad or Sim Ant in PC Gamer or whatever (back in the 90s)... did those prices reflect production costs? I have no idea but I can't imagine these games cost anything more than the man hours it took the nerds from that era to program/render graphics and gameplay. We're probably talking really small teams with really low budgets. And the money they charged then has little of that buying power now in any market. Yet the budgets and employees on AAA titles have grown astronomically, further blurring the lines in my view of what a fair price is. So fair price for me usually just comes out to whatever I can reasonably afford. Feel like it's that way with most things. Believe that's called price elasticity.

And so then we get into a larger conversation about capitalism, which I'm absolutely not here to defend but rather acknowledge the reality of its existence and its impact on how companies decide on price. Which is to say, it's always been about "what's the most we can ask for this without having adverse impact on demand." That's the universal calculation. Maybe you're right that there was a symbiosis before but idk, I'm more cynical on that.

Anyway, definitely have no problem agreeing $39.99 or possibly $49.99 at worst would have been the sweet spot for a game like this.