GymratAmarillo

Here we go again, the sweet obsession with Steam numbers.
Just remember one thing. The last of us 2 remastered was one of the top 10 best sellers of 2024 first half OVERALL and it didn't release on pc.

I can already see what this site is going to post when LEGO Horizon Adventures is out ...

Those guys sound like a mix of Elon saying he wants to sue Apple, Google and other companies because they don't pay for ads on X anymore and government bullsh*t trying to make money from a situation.

Sony has literally games everywhere. PC, xbox, switch and mobile. Competition wasn't the problem that made them nuke those studios lol.

This year they released 3 games we didn't know about:
-AstroBot
-Horizon Adventures (next month)
-Until Dawn
Two remaster, one we didn't know about:
-The last of us
-Horizon
The best expansion of Destiny 2:
-The Final Shape
Their ugliest game in years (sorry moralists but Firewalk deserved to be destroyed to the ground):
-Concord
And one of the best sellers of the year that is still selling 9 months and few reviewbooms after:
-Helldivers 2

I'm all in on secrecy. Now I know they can and want to reveal games the same year those games are going to be out. It doesn't matter if it's one or two, that's better than knowing about a game and wait years to play it.

Personally the fact that the Director makes so much emphasis in the playtesting process and its expansion in 2025 tells me the game still will take some time and that is good news.

Marathon was supposed to release this year before Bungie collapse so it sounds like Sony isn't rushing it and that is the best they can do with Bungie right now. Absorb as much employees as possible, keep them working in the project, let the development take its time for the best result possible.

cons:
-No platinum.

For a $60 game (in my country) that's a deal breaker.

@T-Prime85 why would a game not made by guerrilla take something away from Horizon 3? LOL.

So basically the problem is sony has some of the best engineers in the world. That's a good problem to have.

This game not having a platinum is quite unfortunate. Game looks fun and I love Starship Troopers so I'll get it eventually but what I'm most curious about is how well it sells on xbox. Saw some xbox warriors trying to hype this game to talk trash about Helldivers ... even when Sony is also making money from this game because Starship Troopers media belong to TriStar Pictures lol.

@Bobtheking all multiplayer games are repetitive, that's one of the big characteristics of those games, actually you could argue that all videogames are repetitive because they are designed to work around predefined gameplay.

If they are or aren't "boring" after a while is on you and how well you connect with the game not on the game itself lol.

Meanwhile in the site to download cracked games it's in number two just after Silent Hill. This game eventually will get a price cut just in time for the release of the movie and will sell another bunch.

Who would have guessed that the worst part of Sony releasing their games on PC wasn't the possible decrease of PS value but the obsession with Steam player count and Reviews.

Makes me value Astro Bot release even more.

I saw this indie dev on twitter that yesterday was like "Can't wait for the mods do this this this and this so I can touch the game. If you don't like it grow up" The dude only made that one post about the game, no one was arguing with him, he was basically fighting in his head LOL.

I will never share the necessity of SOME people to look down the new just because it's different with what they experienced in the past, specially when the new is so well done like this remake but I understand. Their lives never got better than those days so they have to hold to nostalgia as hard as they can.

@UltimateOtaku91 yup.
"You are telling me this game is good? Sony is paying (a part) for it, it should be trash!" lol

More commercial art style? So anime girls with big ... personalities, right?

If I remember correctly getting Cloud in smash was also a piece of work and the character fells lackluster options wise compared with other cameos in Smash. Square either didn't like the idea of their ips on bot form for Astro or were asking too much money for it.

If this is just because they want to be seen as multiplatform then the suit guys at SE aren't that intelligent, decline money and advertisement when your company is in a low? Ok lol.

Btw hopefully the "days of the Sony and Square Enix love" are over lol. Sony is paying those games to some extent and those games aren't selling the numbers they were expecting. Just let the SE guys pay for their own games, pay for their own marketing and get the ps version whenever all the other versions are out.

Once they realized this isn't the ps6, they don't need it to play ps games and it's only an option that can give you a different and great experience a lot of people calmed down and some even got interested lol.

Same Yoko Taro, same.

@Chupa_loyzer no one is forcing anything in anyone dude lol. People can just not buy.

"over Jin Sakai"

The history of Jin is done, that's the whole point of the DLC. That's why "experts" said Ghost of Tsushima as a franchise had a limit, because the history of Jin is complete.

"Made on masculinity" the point of Ghost of Tsushima is the fragility of Jin, aren't those dudes who have a problem with female protagonists the same that think having feelings isn't part of being a man? LOL.

F* those guys. This is a new story with a new protagonist.

Looks great as expected from SP. We are finally getting out of the bottleneck called covid lockdown, it was about time.

Did Sony wait too long before getting involved?
We could say yes but we don't know the details like how f*cked the economy of Bungie was before acquisition and how much could Sony actually do. Keeping nearly half the people Bungie had to let go was a very good first decision now that Bungie Independence is gone.

Was Bungie just missing its parent company's guiding, paternal hand?
I choose to believe so lol. I know some people have this idea that Bungie is a bad developer but they are still doing good stuff, the company side of Bungie was the problem.

Sony already lost the money anyway so the only thing left to do is to make money and save Bungie in the process.

@thefourfoldroot1 and I'm not looking to argue either. I'm just saying that if you can't make a difference in expectations between a VR game and a game that isn't then you are the problem lol.

@naruball it is and I'm not saying that you should think Astro Bot is better, but there is a difference between our preferences and talk like what we don't like that much is "second rate" lol, specially when both things come from the same developer, come from the same franchise and both are awesome on their own.

@thefourfoldroot1 I played Astro Bot Rescue and judging for the elitism you are using to talk about the game I think the problem is you not the game lol.

@B0udoir nope. Paw Control videogame is a game for kids. Astro, Horizon Adventures and most Nintendo games are family games. There is a difference.

If we, the people who enjoy these kind of games don't mark the line then we are only giving chances for the regular Joe who wants everything to be ultra realistic to keep looking down at amazing experiences like these just because they are "kid games".

What these analysts don't talk about because it's not their job obviously is expectations. Sony said it at the beginning of the year don't expect big IPs until at least March of 2025.

Obviously that's how the corporations see things, that doesn't affect people now seeing Astro as a big IP.

The point is, this game was never going to sell 20 millions like Spider man or GOW but the fact is that the game is selling well. It looks like it's going to sell more than Ratchet and that makes it a success on it's own.

This one is very simple but made laugh hard:

https://x.com/fightstickart/status/1833936486942867936

I'm going to get one btw and if the comments are real and people don't buy it then it will be cheaper than expected and will double down the decision of getting it.

@Dom_31 Based in history you are right but what exactly is going to say Hermen? "This game is ugly as f*ck but we have to release it anyway because the Ryan administration bought the whole studio so we already lost the money anyways"? lol.

It's their work to hype the games even if they know the game isn't good. Now what I saw from the Concord case is:

-They investing even less money in marketing than with Helldivers. Realistically the only big marketing the game was going to get is the episode in Amazon Prime and that probably was part of the deal because Amazon wanted Kratos in Lost Levels. Now that episode probably will be the most watched because it's about their biggest failure.
-No EVO exposition when Astro had a big presence in both the venue and the streams.
-No mention in the Japanese trailer for the 2024 second half games.
-They shut down the servers as quick as they could.

They f*cked up, we all know that but the luxury of not showing the game at every chance they had and try to sell it tells me the new administration was aware of what was going to happen, they aren't that blind.
So yes history tells you one thing, but reality based in resent facts tells there is a chance for a change and luckily for us these two events (Concord failure and Astro success) happened basically at the same time.

Is this going to cancel Fairgame? No because it's the exact same situation, the previous administration bought the studio for that game and that doesn't mean that the game will be bad.

Is this going to cancel the game of Bend and/or Media Molecule? I hope not, they deserve a chance to release their games.

Everything will be on the developer to make the best work they can and on the player to not use the Concord card for everything they slightly dislike.

Astro is important because it's a change. People finally bought a game that didn't cost 300 million and took 8 years to make.

Now there is a chance for smaller games, every studio wins from this.

In my country we have a saying,

"A la fuerza ni los zapatos"

basically means that doesn't matter how hard you try if the other party doesn't want to it won't happen.
If the character of SE aren't in the game is because SE doesn't want to or they were asking too much.

Personally I don't care about SE games lol and after what their suit guys said about the PS5 when their games are the problem they don't deserve the marketing.

@UntilRespawn Square Enix is the publisher of powerwash simulator, it's not like the devs paid them to be in the game lol.

And no, Sony doesn't need to figure out anything with SE. If SE doesn't want to be in the game then is on them, they lost the chance to be in one of the best games of the year.

@wiiware and right now they (China and Korea) are way better partners than Square that is for sure lol.

From all their partnerships SE is the only one that is losing money, at some point they need to understand who is the problem and the problem made Forspoken lol.

This makes me happy ... you know why?

Because now I can confirm all the problems of Days Gone come from this idiot. Can't wait for Bend next game, they deserve a second chance service or not.

@breakneck yep it would make sense, just in time for Christmas shopping.

Fighting games as always the best part for me.

Other than that it was a xbox shows with every game I don't care from xbox lol (I'm 50/50 with Indiana, I don't give a damn about Indiana but I like the dev)

If they are taking out Forbidden West that means LEGO Horizon Adventures is locked for this year, a matter of time before we get the release date.

@rusty82 for the same reason they removed Spiderman before the release of 2, Horizon before the announcement of Horizon Adventures and The Last of Us 2 isn't in the service yet when there is a successful tv show out there. To sell.

When LEGO Horizon Adventures releases a portion of the market of that game will get interested in the real deal so instead of just paying the service that was never part of the plans but was forced by gamepass to exist, that people will have to buy the games.

Am I going to pay that price for it? No.
Is it going to sell? It will, specially on pc where games like these are very popular + when the movie is out it will sell some more basically having 2 peaks of sales in a game that isn't a service and most likely won't have extra content.

I agree that this specific game isn't worth it but the fact that the last of us remake was mentioned having similar reactions only shows why so many indie studios close these days and why there are so many free services, people don't want to pay for anything doesn't matter if it's a good product and that same people are not only hurting the industry not buying sh*t but also are pushing for everything to be a service to then ask why or complain about it lol.

-The series S can't with the game
-PC code for PS sites
-Bad performance on PC

Yeah hard pass lol at least for now, maybe when they get their sh*t together.

Tbh I haven't played in a while so they may be right but hey they can review bomb all they want all I see is the game selling a lot again without a price cut, at this point they are just buying their right to complain LOL

@anon_pel222 they do but this one belongs to Sony so here we are lol.

@Nepp67 dude you are watching how we live in a time where people don't want to pay for games anymore because the constant influx of f2p games and you think people were going to pay for a stand alone game with a static multiplayer that will never chance? Nope, not happening with a AAA game and a name as big as The Last of Us.

Personally I think it's quite the contrary, for many PlayStation fans Bungie was (and still is) a great developer and their insight could be actually helpful. People who saw the news of ND cancelling the game and immediately thought about Bungie even when ND gave very good reasons aren't real fans, you need to trust the process and the brand. A little luck also helps.

Also the fact that this was canceled doesn't mean they can't re use designs, levels, animations, gameplay, code in general, etc on other games and even TLOU3.

Does it even matter? With 40 people the games is still in very early development, we won't know anything about it in at least 3 more years or so if it survives. By that time probably most remaining services from PS will be out so one more service won't be that big of a deal.

I see the move more about Sony keeping as much people from Bungie as possible so they can help Marathon if needed than anything else.

Nah. A buyout is a blunder when you know it can't make money and Bungie CAN make money. The final DLC of destiny proved it, why would a community that was so pissed off buy the last expansion to the point that before the server crashes it was on its way to break their highest number of concurrent players on steam?
Whenever Marathon is out it will sell because most people who buy those games don't give a damn about people losing their jobs the same way they will buy GTA6.
I know this site likes drama and I like drama too that is why I'm still here lol but what happened today shouldn't be a surprise to anyone because after 2023 we knew a lot of things.
-Bungie made unrealistic promises to Sony.
-Bungie was a timebomb ready to explode.
-Bungie wouldn't exist right now without Sony.
-Bungie administration is the reason why all of this is happening.

The moment they got loses on 2023 there was no way they could met expectations in 2024 unless some kind of miracle happened. Sony knew this was going to happen, probably it was part of the reason they closed London. It was a lot of money for Bungie? It was but again, the people who will buy the games don't care and Bungie has the talent to make all that money back. It's not about optimism it's about an industry where company names matter way more than the actual game, that and also the fact that Sony is now majority in the board of directors, Bungie CEO and his bullsh*t won't go unsupervised anymore.

Now about the dynamic between Bungie and PS services. People need to understand one thing Naughty Dog is REALLY REALLY f*cking good making videogames and the multiplayer was in development hell for 5 years (or more), if what they were doing was any good or was worth to keep wasting money and the time of some of the best devs in the world the project would still be in production.

It's funny that this site first says concord is "good" and now they are making the question about why it was greenlighted LOL. For the service push to stop Sony needed to experience failure, Helldivers making 1200% the money they were expecting wasn't that failure, Concord won't be enough of a failure, even fairgame has a chance of success thanks to Pay Day 3 being bad.

Bungie failure canceled the service push, freed ND and Insomniac, got Ryan out (yes he "retired" after watching first hand how much money services can lose). Probably those 3 billions saved all of PlayStation, I don't know you guys but I won't cry over that lol.

It was obvious this would happen, doesn't matter how good the las dlc did they fumbled hard last year and the monetary expectations that Bungie themselves established before acquisition were impossible at this point.
That's why one of their best guys decided to start working directly for sony a couple months ago, everyone knew. The internet is going to be full of idiotic opinions so a break from social media is needed LOL.

@naruball the deal was bad because as bungie employees already said Bungie made promises they couldn't keep.

What happened last year and what is happening is Bungies fault, the lost money is already lost. The CEO of Sony said they weren't expecting money from Bungie this year lol. So now it depends in how you want to see it, Bungie is the reason why Sony canceled half their services and freed ND and Insomniac, this and concord will only double down the decision of ending the services push that Ryan started. For me that's enough to make it worth it.

One of the main keys of Braid original success was the fact that at that time digital games were pretty new so a hand painted game with rewind and some similarities to Mario on the 360 was impressive.

The harsh truth is most of the xbox live 360 hits of that time are already history not a lot of consumers remember. Super Meat Boy ended the moment McMillen left Team Meat, Fez and Phil Fish banished from the world, The Witness is fantastic but the only correlation with Braid was Blow good and bad reputation, The Behemoth was basically invisible for a whole generation thanks to their weird loyalty to xbox (loyalty I respected btw). The market is not the same and the big names already changed.

Is weird how he was expecting the bags of money when remasters are something big companies like Sony and Nintendo do to get some quick money and he always preached about not trying to be like them.

It's funny that this may be the biggest game released in any service of this year lol.

The game looks great and it makes it even better that it isn't a service. Harry Potter and the chamber full of money.

I'm actually very excited about BluePoint new game even if this isn't theirs.

-Demon's Souls is still one of the most beautiful console games ever so they have the technology down.
-In the last ten years they have been around the work of some of the best devs in the world like Santa Monica, FromSoft, Japan Studio and Respawn. Just like with many other activities learning directly from elite examples gives you better knowledge than learning alone.
-It most likely won't be a service. In theory the studios making services are MM, Haven, Guerrilla second team, the internal team of Jason Blundell and Bend (I know people don't like services lol but I believe Bend can make a good service).
-I'm all in this "possible" art direction.

COVID really ***** up release dates but I trust in the work of BluePoint.