MrPeanutbutterz

I played the arse out of D:OS1, but couldn't get into 2 at all.

@LavenderShroud Animal Crossing New Horizons released in 2020 and has sold 44 million copies. And it's only available on one format.

@nicc83 Do you really? Because someone who does wouldn't make the comment you did.

@nicc83 Have you tried playing videogames for fun and not some meaningless digital participation trinkets?

@Intr1n5ic I'd imagine most Slims sold have the disc drive included. The number of people buying a digital-only Slim, then going out to buy a disc drive isn't too big a number (and the number lost and then replaced to disc drive failure must be smaller again).

@get2sammyb It's certainly helped with a buddy's impulse control - he was gonna walk in and buy a Pro at the weekend, but has a big ol' pile of discs, so he's sticking with his launch PS5 now.

He's probably atypical of a lot of Pro buyers, but I do wonder how many others this is putting off a sale.

Sucks to see people poo-pooing on Hot Wheels Unleashed 2. It's not quite as good as the original, but it's still one of the best arcade racers of the last decade.

@RBMango I'm almost certain the 11 million "bump" to GamePass numbers that occurred around the release of Starfield is actually attributed to the fact they rebranded (and slightly re-jigged) Xbox Live Gold to GamePass Core.

@Macver1ck It doesn't, and won't.

@Member_the_game Oh definitely, I'd prefer a cheaper option as I'm a "buy the games I actually want to play" kind of guy, but alas. Locking save backups to cloud only with Plus was a genuine scum move too.

Street Fighter 6 is my most played game (by far) this gen, so I keep it around for that. I was also grandfathered into the Premium tier from Now, so it renews for €80, not €160 (and I do play the odd game from that, most recently Dead Island 2 was some good, dumb fun).

@get2sammyb Right on the money. I'm also gonna treat it like a new GPU, which is to say I'm not gonna run out and buy every new one released and will slum it with the older hardware until there's a proper leap.

@Bionic-Spencer Couldn't disagree more. Potato PS4 versions no longer did it for me after about five minutes of Demon's Souls Remake on launch day. Sure, Horizon Forbidden West is an impressive PS4 game and pretty much the same as the PS5 version, but the PS5 version is a clear generational leap over it.

You can approximate newer games on PS4, but that's always been true with older hardware. That said, no one looked at say the Amiga or ZX Spectrum versions of Street Fighter 2 and said "imma buy those instead of the SNES or Megadrive versions".

@Member_the_game The basic one already exists, it's Essential. You're not paying for the games, they're a sweetener.

The problem is Microsoft set this all in motion and solidified pricing a whole two generations before Sony touched it, no way in hell will they reduce pricing that over 40 million people pay.

@MxBcardi Yep, the PS5 treats the SSD the same as an external harddrive - it's a secondary install location and only has to be formatted for game installs once when you're setting it up initially.

Effectively plug-and-play.

The same game that they made an Epic Store exclusive and took a year to release physical editions on console?

Pardon me while I don't get upset that their anti-consumer BS didn't pay off.

@OldGamer999 I think Microsoft's reasoning is sell a console that funnels the userbase towards GamePass, and then cut out one of the cheapest parts of it but hold the price firm.

I agree entirely the Pro should've come with 1TB as standard and smaller disc drive. Especially when a good chunk of the market for it will be existing owners who are enthusiasts, and probably already own an optional SSD expansion already. Doubly so that the ease and sheer selection of adding one has been lauded.

@NEStalgia That comment is a perfect example why trophies/achievements are a pox on gaming.

I hope Nintendo hold firm and never introduce this garbage.

@knowles2 From my experience with Subscription Bros, they want an infinite supply of their own very particular (and usually narrow) tastes catered to, screw everyone else, and they'd like to keep it all for two quid per month. And if they stop paying that fee, they'd still want access.

@Major_Player People comparing completely different services will never cease to amaze me. Call of Duty ain't on the basic tier of GamePass, the equivalent of Essential , which is what's being discussed here. It's also, you know, owned by Microsoft who are utterly desperate to get people to use GamePass/their almost dead platform.

Oh, and there is in fact a day one game on here this month.

The sheer self-entitlement of modern gamers really is something to behold.

@PuppetMaster Well done on getting your characters to Master. I've Blanka at Diamond 5, been meaning to push through.

What controller do you use? I'm on a standard Dualsense, though I get phantom inputs on L2, so I have it disabled. It happens on both controllers, and also when playing Tekken 8. Maybe putting pressure on the d-pad makes the L2 mechanism have a mind if it's own.

@zupertramp You do realise that how you phrased it implies they've put ALL their focus into the Pro? ALL. To wit;

"I think it's just disheartening that they could have been putting all their focus on a PS6, but chose a half gen refresh instead"

If you wrote "they chose a half gen refresh AS WELL" you'd have a point, but you didn't, so you don't. Using "instead" after "all their focus" means you think that all their focus is on the Pro.

So don't you dare talk about MY reading comprehension when your literacy issues - the inability to communicate what you actually mean - is the issue here.

Bro. JFC. Etc.

The digital PS5 had the same thing. Not exactly flaunting it, more a warning to uninformed consumers.

@zupertramp But you also said "I think it's just disheartening that they could have been putting all their focus on a PS6, but chose a half gen refresh instead", implying you don't think they're deep into PS6 development.

Are big bad for-profit corporation Sony coming around and smashing your PS5 with a hammer and making you buy a Pro? Or is the super-niche, super optional Pro a thing for people who want it?

Yeah, two configurations vs. the hundreds of a modular device. Sigh indeed.

@zupertramp Wait, you think the PS6 isn't balls deep into development? The Pro's PSSR is strongly speculated to be a test-bed for potential PS6 tech too.

How's it "greedy"? Your base PS5 (if you have one) still works the same. The entirely optional PS5 Pro existing doesn't negate it.

Why not make it modular? Because then you go from one fixed platform target (with another with "added bells and whistles" mode) to hundreds, if not thousands. That makes already protracted game development even longer.

ITT - people not understanding that the hardware division doesn't sit around twiddling it's thumbs for years, and are always working on something.

@LogicStrikesAgain Hear hear.

Since I've started reading this website (a few months ago), I've repeatedly asked myself do the users here actually enjoy videogames? Because the comments sections would have you believe they do not.

@nomither6 I ignored inflation in that instance too. In pure numerical "this is how much cash I have to hand over at time of purchase" value, the PS3 (for me in Ireland) was €630. The PS5 was €500.

A very simplistic explanation of inflation is your money has less purchasing power today than it did in the past. Basically, you get less for the same amount of money. So when we do take inflation into account, that €630 from March 2007 is the equivalent of €801 today (coincidentally a euro more than the PS5 Pro's RRP).

Aside from OtherOS (which was scrapped), and lots of pointless card readers, what's so different about the PS5 vs. PS3? PS5 is far more reliable, far more quiet, has better back compat with PS4 than the PS3 did with PS2 (and there's also no chance of that being removed), much better online functionality, better controller, better storage, better expansion options, 4K Blu-ray player...

@nomither6 Ironic that you call the PS5 "overpriced", then peg the PS3 as the best PlayStation. That was way more expensive than the PS5 at launch and that's before adjusting for inflation.

And the only reason they got the price down is because they stripped out a load of features.

@LifeGirl Such nonsensical logic. Concord existing doesn't negate all the other amazing games being amazing.

Just like how an amazing album can he amazing even if there's one dud track on it.

@Rich33 You're not imagining it. The framerate is indeed a dumpster fire (even after the last big patch, which was when I played it).

@Uromastryx Yep, watched my friend play a bit on PS3 recently and yikes...

@Northern_munkey I played the demo, bought, and subsequently sold the game precisely because of the framerate being a dumpster fire.

And yes, of course your VRR display helps, but that doesn't change the fact the game is frequently outside the VRR window.

"For the record, Capcom's managed to improve Dragon's Dogma 2 quite dramatically since its release back in March."

While this is true, it's still the most janky game I've played since buying a PS5 at launch. The framerate yo-yos all over the place.

@KillerBoy That doesn't matter. Your original comment was about "Sony and their L's" (or whatever your exact words were). I mentioned Helldivers 2 because it has been a roaring success for Sony because they are both the publisher and IP holder. The developer doesn't matter.

Once again using your logic, Gears of War 2 wasn't a success for Xbox because Microsoft didn't own Epic. Heck, Sony didn't own Insomniac until 2019, so are you also saying that the entire Ratchet and Clank series (bar Rift Apart) or the 2018 Spider-Man game weren't success for Sony?

@KillerBoy What part of "Sony owns the Helldivers IP" are you struggling with, exactly? 🤔

@Swoleguy Only a fraction of the subscriber base has Extra/Premium, and Ghostwire was removed from it ages ago anyways.

You do understand there's a finite number of games they can put on the service, right?

@Swoleguy You mean like... Hotwheels Unleashed 2 and Death Note?

Ghostwire is ass, Hotwheels Unleashed 2 is a step back from the first game, but still a 9/10 arcade racer.

@KillerBoy And last I checked the Helldivers IP is owned by Sony. Doesn't matter who the developers were, it was a success for Sony.

Your logic is like saying "Gears of War wasn't successful for Xbox because Epic weren't owned by Microsoft".

@KillerBoy Yeah like Helldivers 2 being their fastest-selling game ever, and Astro Bot being the highest-rated game of the year...

The most potent way to suck the fun out of a beloved game - add a digital participation trinket checklist.

Zzz...

@popey1980 Hardware and optimisation aren't infinite resources.

Plenty of jank on previous generations.

@Banjo- A similar article on Eurogamer claims the PlayStation sales are 80% on PS5, 8% on PS4.

@Bionic-Spencer I'd imagine that for people like your friend who plays CoD and not much else an Xbox with GamePass would be an awful idea - another box for the same price as the one you already have, another subscription to play online, then another to keep access to the game.

Curious to see how this runs after the steaming pile of doggy doo-doo that was Dragon's Dogma 2.

@Dimey Power to you, there's some amazing games on there. Heck, I kinda lament the fact I didn't finish my Metal Gear Rising Revengeance replay before I sold it, but I did have a moment of "wait, I bought another 500 bucks console to replay Xbox 360 games at 60FPS?!" moment.

Caveat - a buddy was looking to buy a Series X at the same price I was happy to sell for, so I said "fudge it, I don't play it much anyways" and did both of us a solid.

@Soik It was the catalyst for me to box up my Series X and sell it.

@Danloaded From the Xbox devoted, yes.

@get2sammyb I dunno, Xbox have been operating in "headless chicken" mode longer than they haven't. They had their own identity up until they decided to go after a piece of the Wii Pie with Kinect on the 360 and alienated the core audience that made the platform a success in the process.

They've been as unsure about themselves and their brand identity as the punters have ever since.

@UnlimitedSevens Would love to see how you arrived at that less than 1% figure...