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@LogicStrikesAgain The PS5 is 7% more expensive to make 2024 compared to the release day one PS5.
And everyone here must understand one thing: And this is important! When Sony or any company talks about we break even, we take a loss and so on when talking about their product it's ALWAYS including the percentage that is calculated including the dividend (spelling?) to the shareholders and the mothercompany itself. In this case Playstation. So if they cut down their share of 20-30% of the units price and took out lets say a profit distrubition of 10% the actual console would be 10-20% cheaper. And now I'm talking about the regular PS5.
My entire point from post one about the Pro. Don't support the greedy shareholders and uppermanagement of Sony/Playstation just 'because'.
It only hurt us customers in the end. Hence me getting a "little" worked up when uninformed people invent reasons to protect that greed. It sounds good what they say, but it ain't right to be honest.
But I leave you guys to celebrate the overexpensive Pro and I will remember every defender here when the PS6 is released. And I'm not going to be thankful of the sheepmentality, that's for sure.
Over and out on this subject.

@LogicStrikesAgain It's nothing against new hardware, it's the nickle and diming us that is the point. But you have the usual defenders above so that is just getting worse thanks to people like them.

@GreatAuk The Genesis was a console made of electronic components. Just as it sounds.

@Jacko11 And STILL you don't understand what I mean.
A console aint a PC because it uses a few of the same components!!!
PC: PERSONAL Computer - like in you can PERSONALLY choose your own components, Operating System and peripherals.
Console You can't change ***** in it!!! It's a premade, same for ALL closed OPTIMIZED system.

A console should be an easy and much cheaper way to play the games for it's intended lifespan.

But people like you, PC-nerds, are clawing your way into the consolehobby, preaching for more, faster bullocks that has nothing to do with consolegaming in the end. IF Sony wants to do highend consolegaming this is what we should have got with the OG PS5!! Not this nickle and diming the crap out of their most loyal customers (like myself!!)
I play 10 hours a day mon - fri each week, pretty much every week of the year apart from summerholiday and christmas, but I don's want it to be a PC, I know I bought a console and Sony should of course relase hardware - but now they sold us the PS5 and PSVR2 - maybe they should spending that Pro money on actual games for us to buy?!! Crazy idea right?
I played 99% 3rd party this generation and I think it sucks if you consider how little input Sonys own teams have during the first 4 year of PS5s lifetime. It started off fine, died out, and this year they had a fluke with Helldivers 2 and a superb entry with Astro Bot2.
But nothing to really look forward to apart than a PC-priced Pro... That is a bleak future.
But hey, be you and cheer that crap on, I wont!!

@GreatAuk "Consoles have always been PCs" Tell me you started gaming 5 years ago without telling me.

No, you're wrong. I played consoles from 1970's and forward and that had nothing to do with PC's at that time... sigh, the level of education these days are mindblowingly low.

@Jacko11 I never said Pro is a PC? What are you smoking ?!!
This isn't a PC it a console. I didn't 'destroy my argument' in any way kid. Stop moving the goalposts to hope to win your imaginary "chatfight".
You wont win anything with your flawed arguments. Like ever.
Now learn to read and try to understand what you read and you wont make yourself look like a fool online.

@Axelay71 100% agree with you, Sony doesn't get it and as you can see, guys like @Jacko11 and @GreatAuk doesn't get it either. This is a console, NOT A PC!!! sigh

@Ainu20 I could have misunderstood, but that how I read it. Like, 'Sony will make us pay with blood for 1000's of small addon-costs' kind of statement.

@Ainu20 I think it was a joke.

@Jacko11 "The problem is for some reason people act like video games aren’t a luxury hobby, when they are.

Some of the same complainers will happily by a new phone every year or two despite minimal upgrades.

If the console is too expensive for you, then maybe it isn’t for you.

PS4 Pro wasn’t for everyone, and still sold well. Same will happen for the PS5 Pro."

You are one of the problems with this situation tbh. The Ps5 Pro will be pretty much twice as expensive as the OGPS5 that included drive and stand. And you defend it, that's the whole issue here. We can't let them get away with it!!
If we do, PS6 will cost 1200€, The PS6 Pro 1500€ and people like you can never complain about it, because you more or less 'greenlit' it if you accept the Ps5 Pro's price!!
This isn't about "affording" as much as pull the reins on Sony and the gaming industry imho.
Edit. And the PS4 Pro had pretty much same releaseprice as OG PS4 so bad example mate.

This was my reaction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t0Jh3Bae9k&ab_channel=HitlerRantsParodies

It was also kinda sad they only showed their remakes of a remake in their Pro trailer. I know they probably show more new games next week, but anyway, please rewatch PS5 Pro trailer and tell me it didn't feel like a PS4 Pro showcase?!!

@sop And that average salary might be about right, but the living costs, food costs, electric bills etc has gone throught the roof this last year. And now the consoles follows suit. Disgusting.
Edit: And @sop, I NEVER said Sweden has it worst, but Europe stands for about 450 million people, a.k.a potential buyers. And we get shafted for real by Sony this generation!

@sop But it's a console, not a highend PC but they still push that agenda to make it 'luxury'-item instead of 'for all players' like the PS2 for example.
And if very few buy the Pro, how many will actually support it in the long run? Not many companies as they hardly tap the OG PS5 power as it is.
And, as I said, I got the money, heck I could buy 2, but the worth of it is something else entirely...

Just posted this under the "Poll-thread":
800€ = 9147 Swedish Krona. (But without salestax so that will end up at around 900-1000€)
Added drive 1499 Swedish Krona = ~131€
Stand (if same price as slimstand) 349 Swedish Krona ~31€

So Ps5 Pro: at least 962€, but more likely around 1100Euro+...
This is Sony Playstation 2024 after taking my money for overpriced PS5 (due to covid they said), very expensive PSVR2 and a fairly expensive Portal.
But were is the games Sony? And now this....
Greedy *****!
Yey yey, "I don't need to buy one" some say, but when you have been an enthusiast like me since PS1 release it's hard to just quit gaming, but this price actually took the enthusiasm out of this enthusiast so to speak. I been on this ride for centuries, but this isn't a good price for consoles. This price is what made me skip PC gaming all those years back.
I think Sony's leadership needs a little reality check to be fair.
I got the money, but the worth isn't in the Playstationbrand anymore. This is just a quick cashgrab after years of no 1stparty hits raking in their money and Concordecrap.
And now WE, their hardcore crowd are meant to pay with a kidney to fill their big empty chest of gold.... Don't think so.
Rise White Knights to tell me I'm a pleb, I'm poor and whatever lies you can come up with to diminish this post, but this ain't how they should do it.
Blame China for high prices on components or whatever, but Sony shouldn't built it to begin with if their prices was too high imho.
Sony went from FOR THE PLAYERS to FOR THE PAYERS.
I rather play games than helping PS board get their bonuses so I can only vote with my wallet. I hope you guys do the same to be honest!
Even ASTRO Bot cost me 90€ digital from PSN Store just last week. It all adds up Sony, and not in a good way

800€ = 9147 Swedish Krona. (But without salestax so that will end up at around 900-1000€)
Added drive 1499 Swedish Krona = ~131€
Stand (if same price as slimstand) 349 Swedish Krona ~31€

So Ps5 Pro: at least 962€, but more likely around 1100Euro+...
This is Sony Playstation 2024 after taking my money for overpriced PS5 (due to covid they said), very expensive PSVR2 and a fairly expensive Portal.
But were is the games Sony? And now this....
Greedy *****!
Yey yey, "I don't need to buy one" some say, but when you have been an enthusiast like me since PS1 release it's hard to just quit gaming, but this price actually took the enthusiasm out of this enthusiast so to speak. I been on this ride for centuries, but this isn't a good price for consoles. This price is what made me skip PC gaming all those years back.
I think Sony's leadership needs a little reality check to be fair.
I got the money, but the worth isn't in the Playstationbrand anymore. This is just a quick cashgrab after years of no 1stparty hits raking in their money and Concordecrap.
And now WE, their hardcore crowd are meant to pay with a kidney to fill their big empty chest of gold.... Don't think so.
Rise White Knights to tell me I'm a pleb, I'm poor and whatever lies you can come up with to diminish this post, but this ain't how they should do it.
Blame China for high prices on components or whatever, but Sony shouldn't built it to begin with if their prices was too high imho.
Sony went from FOR THE PLAYERS to FOR THE PAYERS.
I rather play games than helping PS board get their bonuses so I can only vote with my wallet. I hope you guys do the same to be honest!
Even ASTRO Bot cost me 90€ digital from PSN Store just last week. It all adds up Sony, and not in a good way

@NoHope What problems, I have a Day One Release Ps4 Pro and to this day I have had ZERO problems with it unless you count stickdrift no the controller that was bundled with it.
So what problems? Or did you just read it on 'reddit'?!
Edit: I can give you the 'jetengine-syndrom' but that was after 6-12 months, not at release!

That dualsense looks like it was made in a bakery

@Rog-X So you mean M$ hasn't been greedy before that, like since 1995??

@trev666 That's not what Druckmann said in an interview after they canned it. The long term monetization was only part of it, the rest was "we didn't want to tie up all our resources in a 10-year plan for one game only".
That sounds like he was only talking about Naughty Dog's "resources", doesn't it?
*Bah, ProfessorNiggle beat me to it

@Rog-X I mean both of them!!

@Maubari So you point the finger at Sony? Not that certain greedy company that pumps out a new CoD every year?!!! Reaaaallly?!!?

@cragis0001 Yes! Personally I always thought they would sneak out BB2 'before' Elden Ring, but...no.

@cragis0001 Hopefully

@Skywardx Everyone that tested the alpha of Factions said it was the most fun MPshooter they played. But as @ProfessorNiggle said, they couldn't commit the entire studio to support if for years and years to come. They want to do LoU3 and the other game they are making right at this moment.

@cragis0001 I would love for Playstation to do it's own Path Of Exile/Diablo-ish kind of game.
I would love if they made a killzone MPgame with "modern" combat, not this cartoon hbtq+-0 crap.
I would love if they did a multiplayer Driveclub 2 with original team.
But over everything else, where the F is Bloodborne 2!!??

@trev666 Hopefully they will give the studio a second chance. Let them do a singleplayer storybased shooter. That could be great.

Hmm, it only added PS4 version of MLB'24 for me! Did this happen to anyone else ?

@KillerBoy Complete over uncomplete games any day.

@Vaako007 Ah, I never seen that in my movies. I own 30-40 4K movies, mostly collectoreditions and steelbooks. Guess swedes ain't a market for digital yet (thank god).

I love AstroBot! I love free dlc. I hate dlc that adds trophies to my 100% Platinum'd games! I hate "speedtrials" - too old for that *****. Not sure how to feel about this news to be honest.

@Corc11 Yeah, Of course I meant the word is that"Playstation consoles from now on will have the addon discdrive". I think it was Mark Cerny who said it during some techinterview. That way Sony can hold down the productioncosts but still sell the drive to those who wants it, somethng like that.

@elfoam No discrot here. First cd's from 1985 up to recent, Dvd's from 1998ish and forward. Everything works just fine. I have a bunch of PS3 games too and everytime I boot them up they seem to work just fine. But discrot is a thing for sure. I know a former work mate that bought Baldurs Gate 1 & 2 on PC at release and those disc's just doesn't work anymore. He can play like 15% of the game(s) before he get's a 'read error'. Not fun.
You can actually see the miscoloring on the discs with the bare eye.

@Dr_ENT Exactly, I don't get that anyone thinking of buying a Pro is buying any games before it is released and the games are patched. I just save the money and it will surely be cheaper when the Pro finally arrives.
And don't call me "Shirely". (sorry, just an Airplane reference)

@Batesy125s "if" - I guess the preorders make it a bestseller already!

@Jrs1 I don't keep them for the value. I can watch movies that you can't find on torrent or streamservices... The blockbusters will always be around, but not the little independent stuff.

@Whately86 Yes, but rumour has it Pro is black, so you'll end up with a "Zebrastation" lol

@Vaako007 Here in Sweden I never seen a 4K movie with code?!! I would go Texas Chainsaw Massacre on them if they sent me a nice box with a CODE!!! lol Hope they never try that crap on me.

@Michael2008ish She knows where to find them
Edit *were

@Michael2008ish I'm 55 and my daughter is already looking forward to get my collection(s) lol I better watch out /jk

@breakneck Ain't those games on sale dirt cheap every know and then? You could just re-buy them?
Edit: You could still keep the discbased ones for your collection.

@Pranwell I get what you mean

I wont make the mistake of being a day one'er ever again. I wait a year or two and buy "Game of the Year" edition when they make the games work...

@Pranwell I consume many things digitally like Netflix, Spotify and so on, but I bought over 50 metal/hard rock cd's so far this year and around 100 movies on bluray/4k discs. Something special to open them up and check them out before watching them ,or in the CD case, read the lyrics inside
Edit: Aaaand, I can use them even if my network goes down... I can be without internet for ages and never have a boring time.

@Pranwell You and me live in different "real worlds" LOL

@Jrs1 No, as long as you don't think you will have that collection "forever".

@Vaako007 I got a stupid (yes I told him that) friend who buys new movies digital. I try to explain what happens when the server or license goes out of order. But he refuse to understand. Just pumping in money in that digital black hole...

@trev666 Agree 100%!!

@trev666 Yeah, this is a apple to oranges comparison in my opinion. When I think of Dino Crisis I never ever would think about Monster Hunter in the same thought.

People thinking of buying the current addon drive for the Pro, current drive is white, I can bet the Pro will be BLACK just because...it's Sony, right!?