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Can't be bothered getting into the sales argument as everything I'd say @Gamer83 has already said. What I would point out is a massive mistake @get2sammyb made. You misspelt "the total massive asshat number cruncher" as "likeable number cruncher."

Love Borderlands (the sequel is in my top three PS3 games) and want this game like mad but will wait for the inevitable GOtY edition, whether it be on PS3 or 4. Also, there needs to be another name for those editions, how many games each year label themselves Game Of the Year?

@jaydb1982 The reason it isn't getting the same bashing is because the majority of people aren't having problems with FIFA while the majority ARE on DriveClub. Massive difference. I've had FIFA since day one without any online problems (few trophy glitches though) while I still can't get my glorified DriveClub demo. I've also not heard a single person complain about Ultimate Team or challenges. Online play (no problems for me personally), yes but not the others.

@Dodoo You can't score a game when you're just over a quarter of the way through it. That's like saying an album is 8/10 because the first two songs are hit singles, ignoring the other nine process of audio s**t.

@Godsire- @Gamer83 Either of you ever play Bangai-O? The best Dreamcast game for me and also Treasure's finest title. A great, great game that is sadly massively under appreciated. Up in the my top five with Mario Galaxy 2, Wind Waker, Metroid Prime and Burning Rangers.

@Demi_God The fanboy war thing isn't a reason as it happens everywhere. The BBC did a poll this afternoon to find out what the greatest FA Cup goal was of all time. Man United fans mass voted for a Liverpool own goal - it is a classic - when Djimi Traore did a stupid piroet on the goal line with the ball and knocked it in like a plank. That was voted THE greatest FA Cup goal ever. My point is fanboys/supporters mess things up like that all the time so to blame them is nonsense. But also again comes back to what I said, review scores should be abolished.

Short answer: hype.

Long answer: publishers, magazines, websites and gamers hype up any and every game to ridiculous levels and the game can never be what they want. Since the start of the Wii/PS3/360 generation I can think of only two games that lived up to the hype: Super Mario Galaxy and GTA5 (5, not Online). People need to just calm down when looking forward to a game.

I learnt that years ago as Ocarina Of Time took six years to dig into my head. I read every tiny bit of detail imaginable and bought any and every magazine for a single new screenshot. The game came out and I couldn't get into it. Went back years later and realised how perfect it is. Since then I've never once let myself get carried away with hype. Well, once, Galaxy 2 - but that is THE best game ever made.

Also, review scores need to be got rid of. Universally. The majority of people just look at the number at the end and that's it. A 7/10 is a great game yet people act like its a 4. Publishers are equally at fault there, treating a game that gets less than 8 as an abortion.

As for the vote, I said about what I expected. If you'll remember I warned that the first year of PS4 would be like this and was shot down by all and sundry.

Rant over. Plus Germany v Poland is starting.

Sleeping Dogs PS4 mainly. Although I'm still determined to finish the Trophies off on Reaogun (complete it on veteran and then Experienced without a game over).

@ObviouslyAdachi What a fine game Zero Mission is. Everything and more I wanted from a Super Metroid sequel. Then when I finished it I moved on to Prime and what a game that is! Still in my top five.

I really hope they delay this show until next year. Just to show someone at Sony has a sense of humour.

@Wesker As @get2sammyb said they're not comparable really but for me it's better than all the inFAMOUS games combined by miles. Great fun and likeable characters are Sleeping Dogs' main selling points, things the inFAMOUS games lack (as much as I enjoyed Second Son). Plus Sleeping Dogs has Emma Stone in it. You can argue your preference over mine, entitled to like it of course, but you can't beat the Emma Stone inclusion.

In other words Sony have ordered them to make sure everything works properly online after the DriveClub cock up.

My copy has just come through the letter box and my tv has died. Ffs...

@JaxonH It is no way mediocre. It's like someone made GTA an arcade game really. It's not the longest but it draws you in quite quickly and is incredibly enjoyable. It actually, to me, feels like a Dremcast game.

Next week? Oh for f**ks sake... do Sony really have this little a clue at how to try and make Vita sell? Or (like we've all assumed) do they just not give a s**t? There should have been mass adverts about this game building up to a release, making kids know that a proper Minecraft is available in your pocket. If any game could give the Vita a small flicker of a chance it's this. But nope, let's just drop it out next week and watch the console die. Every little thing Sony have done since their wonderful E3 show in 2013 is basically say "You lot who buy our stuff? Couldn't give a toss about you."

@noodleking1987 PS+ generally doesn't go live until 4-5pm (UK time). Vita's section are already available if you search for them, as I'm downloading Rainbow Moon now as I head off to the pictures.

@Munkyknuts I hated that bloody dog. Can't wait to get hold of the new Smash and give him the kicking he's long been due.

@Bad-MuthaAdebis @Munkyknuts Amazing how blowing into the cartridge solved nearly everything, wasn't it?

On a more serious and wider note, gaming really has gone to s**t hasn't it?

Games constantly being released unfinished and broken, people that claim to be gamers spend more time arguing about 1080p than actually playing anything while decrying anything not on their console as crap and everything on it (good or bad) brilliant, servers going down seemingly every few weeks randomly, cut content DLC and updates that break something before fixing it.

Seems like the simplicity of the days before last generation with their stick the game on and play are long gone.

@get2sammyb Couldn't possibly know what you mean.

Cynic in me says they know the majority aren't going to pay so delay the free edition. Good to see that extra year of development was used wisely.

Can't wait to check the PlayStation Europe blog :') Sure people will take the delay in their stride...

I've started watching WWE Experience on a Sunday this year which has lead to me actually watching some event shows. It's just pure silliness and I love it. May have to get this just to have the chance to play as Dean Ambrose as he cracks me up, utter plank.

Review scores are what everyone expected surely? Game's been in trouble hence the delay. The fact the retail version is apparently lacking in depth makes the PS+ edition even more worrying. Canny judge until I try it tomorrow, of course, but so far it's not looking good for Sony's one big hitter this Christmas.

I think it's a vast improvement on recent editions and feels better. They just need to get rid of Martin Tyler and Alan Smith now, who seem to have less lines than ever as every game I hear Smith say "I've missed a few of them in my time."

Oh and for f**k's sake EA, sort the problems out. Won promotion to division nine (not easy when I'm garbage at this game and everyone online seems to be Messi) but no trophy, had loads of toe poked goals but no trophy, hit the woodwork loads of times no trophy but it then popped as I did a goal line sliding clearance instead of the trophy for that! I know trophies aren't important in the grand scheme of things but don't have them if you're game is glitched to hell.

@Jazzer94 The truth hurts some people I'm afraid. There used to be someone on here who refused to admit the Vita was failing even though the sales figures became worse each week. Some people just prefer burying their head in the sand.

@get2sammyb "Gamers in the UK tend to be unimaginative, as was evidenced by the lengthy lines for Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare and FIFA 15" - really Sammy? We all know those people aren't gamers but casuals. Gaming is 'cool' at the moment and I imagine a good ninty percent of people who attended EGX are casuals who only buy three games a year (FIFA, COD and Assassin's Creed) plus a GTA if out.

As for the Vita, been saying it since day one: Sony don't get handhelds, as evident by the abject failure the machine has become. Those who love it - such as myself - really love it but there's about fifteen of us in the UK. I'm still yet to see anyone on a Vita or buying one or game. The amount of abuse and unfounded "Nintendo fanboy" comments I got for saying that two years ago was worth it to be proved right.

@N711 It means the Vita is dead. It doesn't matter how many good games come for it 99% of them are of no interest to casual gamers. Akiba's Trip is out next week and that game is incredible. I think it'll be me and a handful of others who are interested in it. Which sums the Vita up sadly. Blame EA (why not?) - if they had given a proper FIFA each year rather than the same game with just different player names each season it could have helped sell units but alas.

@Heavyman99 I think the games will come when someone invents a time machine, goes back to around 2010 and stops Nintendo developing a successor to the DS. As preposterous as that sounds, it's more likely than Vita TV doing anything I'm afraid.

@rjejr The themes on 3/2DS though also include a new model with options to change the case and a lot more variety. Both handhelds should have had this ages ago though. Around two years late in Vita's case.

@SonyInfinity Yes because of how often it happens. Don't like it don't read it. Not that difficult. Personally it didn't go down for me as I was doing Crazy mode on PvZ and got the Platinum during 'down time.'

The more I hear of what's included in the free version the worse it sounds.

As a kid it was funny having Sega say things like they "Do What Nintendon't" as it was playground stuff. As an adult it's just incredibly sad, unfunny and beyond childish. That the vast majority of people will get this game free says something about the confidence Sony have in it.

@SirBlobbington Well you can as some people won't like them games (well, glorified demo in DriveClub's case). Personally I think the PS4 showing is dreadfully weak, saved only by Dust, and further proves Sony shouldn't have put PS+ on the console until a year or two into it's life.

@Shellybird27 You have Beck as an avatar. I can't stay mad at you. Transistor is incredible. Knack? Go get a Wii and the two Super Mario Galaxy games.

@Shellybird27 Then we're cool G, we're cool. No idea what that's from but been in my head all day.

@get2sammyb Hmmm... If they included something like Project Diva or Akiba's Trip I'd jump for joy. There's little chance of them ever happening - especially as one isn't out yet, but you get the point. Personally I want to see some genuine variety or not include PS4 altogether, something I feel they shouldn't have done until around now. Problem is on PS3/Vita all the genuinely good stuff has been and gone.

@get2sammyb There's nothing wrong per se with the games and, as I've said before, my issues with PS+ aren't the titles but the lies we've been told by Sony that every seems to be happy to overlook. I just think this month it's incredibly cheap, Arkham and Sperlunky have been on sale very cheap over the last year (PS3/Vita for the latter) so to include them just feels like "it'll do." It's also come to that time on PS3/Vita where nine times out of ten I've had the game so it's really not worth it for me, currently, as the PS4 offerings have been woeful (to me). I don't like online multiplayer - prefer to do it with someone here with me - so losing online play wouldn't bother me either. Will see how November's update shapes up before deciding for certain but if it's like this months then I won't miss much myself.

@Shellybird27 Your new self realises people are allowed to have an opinion different to you? Good. Keep it up.

First time in four months I'll be downloading something off of PS+, Rainbow Moon and Dust. The rest? Exceptionally poor. Remember the days when a game like Arkham Asylum (a great game but has been on sale on PSN for under a fiver in every sale the last two years) was the B game? At least after November 30th my PS+ is done.

Plants vs Zombies: Garden Warfare for me. Got addicted to it over the past couple of days. May dabble in some FIFA too, if the Derby goes well (for some reason when we, Liverpool, lose - so often at the moment - I just won't touch football games).

@crazykcarter I found PES slower, more unnatural and even more boring than the last few. Can't be worse than the last one though, surely. Worst football game I've ever played - with so little commentary you'd have thought the game was on a NES cartridge.

@Shellybird27 Oh look, you're yet again failing to understand people are allowed to have different opinions to you. Wonders never cease. If @grenworthshero doesn't like indies he's allowed to say it. You're not judge, jury and executioner, no matter how much you pretend you are. Also nowhere did he say he was "hardcore" but don't let that stop you waffling crap.

Of course he'll big it up, he's hardly likely to say "You know there's been a long, long line up of crap add-ons for consoles over the years? Add this to the list! Best start queuing now so all your friends can tell you what a prat you are for wasting hundreds of pounds!" are they? It's when people not connected in any way to Sony start saying its a game changer that you should start taking note. PS Move was the future once. And WonderBook, Mega CD, 32X, 64DD...

£57 from Game for the special edition with a shirt, ball and, best of all, a special case so I don't have to look at a vastly overrated Chelsea player every time I open the box. Worth the extra money.

It looks like Turok, which isn't good. Will undoubtedly be beautiful but Guerilla don't exactly have a track record for great games. They always promise the world before delivering Middlesborough.

Add me into the single player revolt that @JaxonH and @Gamer83 are amassing. Genuinely thought I was the only one who wanted single player.

Can't wait for this. The rhythm action genre on Vita is the one thing in good health on the machine.

Although everything is nippier and easier on the PS4 I still find myself rarely wanting to use it. I've bought Watch Dogs, PvZ and Destiny all on launch days and all are still in their cellophane wrappers. They don't excite me enough to want to turn the console on, the console doesn't excite me enough to want to use it. I find I'm forcing myself to play it, like recently with inFAMOUS and it's DLC. Keep hoping the PS4 is gonna click with me but it's been nearly a year now and our relationship is still cold.

@danny2kd Sadly not.

@FullbringIchigo The only possible way it won't is if Hyrule Warriors doesn't sell. I know its a different console but if a Zelda game in the series can't sell then no matter what console it's on a Dragon Quest one won't sell in Europe.

I'll believe it when I see it. To be honest when anything is posted on the Sony Europe blog nowadays I take it with a pinch of salt. The amount of lies told on there - from staff and commenter's - is ludicrous.

As for DriveClub, I'm not a big fan of realistic racing games but this one has me intrigued for some reason.

@Paranoimia The thing is even if it is difficult to implement now it 100% should have been there in the first place. It really seems Sony just rushed the OS for PS4 and now are left having to do hard work putting in things that should have been there from the start. It's a mess of their own making.

@Paranoimia Yes we are as it's stupid not knowing when a friend has come online. Is it really that hard for Sony to do it and allow you to toggle which friends have come on/offline?

Is there any news yet on whether they plan to have a Special Ops mode? Or Survival? Sledgehammer designed both modes in MW3 and my cousins and I still play those in split-screen today. I can't stand single player and online multiplayer COD but if it has those two modes I'm in. Just not the piss poor Survival attempt Ghosts had. That was abysmal.

Amazing how Microsoft are disgusting but if Sony were doing it it would be a brilliant tactical move in the console war.

The last Mortal Kombat left me as cold as a snowman's armpit and this one is giving me the same feeling sadly Used to love these games.

Also WB/NR can get stuffed. Extra costumes or a special action figure I can let you off, but cutting a character out of a fighting game unless you pre-order? Pull your pants down ladies and gents. Get ready for the veiny shaft of cash extraction this gen.

@car1os_h_ I rang up to tell me a free game on PS+ had charged my account over £70. It took four calls to speak to someone who actually admitted PS+ existed. I was told there's no such thing as PS+, I wasn't on it and the game didn't exist. Over six months on I'm still waiting for the money back.

I wonder if there's a course for Sony's customer support? "Not my problem, I don't care, **** off!" In and out in one minute with flying honours.