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@CutchuSlow Yes, one reason I uninstalled it was the Pro's fans would go from building up in noise to full speed. I mean it's not as if it was pushing the hardware to its limits so I assume it's just very badly written/optimised code?

@Pranwell Not even sure if it's cross gen, I think it might be PS4 and the PS5 only via backwards compatibility?

@DrClayman Yep, I've tried on PS5 with the PS5 version and the PS4 version, using the DS5 and the DS4 (on the PS4 version) and it just makes weird nonsensical buzzing noises and vibrates constantly.

Methinks something is badly emulated for the DS4 rumble on The Tub o' Lard as it works absolutely perfectly on the ever-quiet SSD Pro.

My son noticed the same effect when playing one of his PS4 F1 games; PS5 = no rumble going over the strips at the edge of the track, PS4 = rumbles to a lesser or greater amount depending on how much you're going over them.

I got some weird offer where I ended up with 18 months of Extra when I re-subbed for about a fiver. When this runs out in December, I might continue on Essential but no higher. If PS offered a lower sub for online play only, I'd take that.

Looks to be coming to PS4?

@Bentleyma Same here! Honestly, when the base game costs about a fiver, I can't understand why more people aren't playing this!

I will be playing on the PS4 Pro as it seems to be the only way to play it with the DS4 giving the correct rumble feedback when picking locks.

Warhammer 40,000: Squad Command on PSP anyone?

@Sequel Yes!

Seems to be the usual pattern:
1) evil overlords take over studio
2) evil overlords enforce new direction on studio
3) key members of studio leave
4) previously key members set up new studio, out of the clutches of evil overlords

@MajinKaiser You're probably right. I was more meaning that we we shouldn't get excited about a PS5 (maybe PS6?) release anytime soon.

PC release for 2024, PS5 sometime in 2025?

Shame it's VR2 only. Think my son would love this but it's not worth £500 more just play it, especially when he has Tracks - Toybox Edition on the Switch.

Well, thanks to Ubisoft not giving the green light to Fenyx 2, that's another Ubisoft game I won't worry about not owning.

Our local GAME store has moved into the nearby Sports Direct and I can't say I've missed them. Still think I got somewhat ripped off by them when trading in my OG PS4 having already bought a Pro.

I get all my used games from eBay or CEX (new stuff with eBay, Shop To and The Game Collection) anyway so I suspect CEX in the high street will just get busier. Definitely not going to put me off buying a physical media copy of a game.

This does sort of beg the question though as to why the PS5 needs to be so fat and ugly as it is if they can fit the gubbins into a tablet sized device?
Assume it'd need a disc drive nailing onto it but perhaps Cerny should have a chat with these guys about giving us a Super Slim PS5 (no sliding disc load cover though, thanks!)

@nomither6 @zekepliskin Gotta agree on the miserable PS5 UI. It's 5hite.

I boot up the old Pro and am greeted by the PS2 startup sounds and visuals, before seeing my games in the folders that I wanted to put them in.
Navigate to downloads and see several things patching themselves at once (was the download chip so expensive?)
A single long press of the DS4's proper PS button (no Fisher Price cut-out here!) and I have access to all the functions, including the 'quit game' option!

Why did they change it for the 5's turd?

PS4 still selling about as many units and the XSS and XSX put together! Ouch...

The Switch is in need of a replacement, simply to keep 3rd party titles heading to a Nintendo system as the ageing mobile tech just isn't enough any more. What's the point of a portable system when it has to rely on an online element to crunch the numbers fast enough?

Lets hope that it turns up a bit more DS4 shaped too.

@SuntannedDuck2 Some good points there. To be honest, I expected the PS5 to blow me away and it really hasn't. Owning a PS4 Pro with 6GB/s SSD nullifies most of the reason for the PS5. Sure there are a few games trickling out for the PS5/XS consoles but it's not much and it looks very 'same again' gameplay.
I agree Rift Apart was only PS5 only because of marketing - no way the PS4 couldn't have run it as those "only with the SSD!" arguments were blown out of the water some time ago but Sony needed something to prop up the 5. What I've played of it so far, it's no Tools Of Destruction!

I assume this will be a proper demo and therefore will not require PS+ Premium?

A change of direction from the new CEO, such as actually conversing with the PS population would be good! We need another Tretton or Layden (or the original!)

After that, I think we need to see some mind-blowing stuff from PS Studios as so far, I don't the entrance fee for 'next gen' has been worth it.

@ApostateMage The monster clearly has taste!

Imagine how many more it'd be selling if it came down to £199?

Shame the Pro got canned although that'd give people even less incentive to 'upgrade'.

I've stuck some of the Mcbazel ones (find 'em on Amazon) on our original disc fatty.
As they follow the lines of the inner (black) part of the PS5, it reduces the height (it really is hidden behind the TV unit now!) and black is slimming, apparently. Plus they were only about £30.

We've got two PS4 Pros (both with internal MX500 SSDs) and one PS5 in the household. Pros seem to be getting just an much use as The Tub o' Lard if not more so?
Perhaps that's just because the PS4 is a nicer place to visit (UI & OS still kicks fatty's arse) and perhaps it's because a shed load of all new releases are still hitting the PS4?

Sony made a million extra PS4s during the pandemic-crippled PS5 launch but those sold out very quickly and stock has been sporadic ever since.
£260 (ShopTo recently) vs £480 is a lot of difference for some people for playing 90% of the same games.

@TurboTom Personally I'd say keep the Pro as well.

I think there's something wrong on the PS5's emulation of some games as the DS4's rumble is not always faithfully replicated in the PS5, even with a PS4 title and a DS4.

Still got Anniversary and the PS1 original on the Vita.

But am looking forward to these - the creeping about and solving puzzles in tombs seems to have been missing from the recent poor man's Uncharted reworks (bring back Core Design!)

My son and I have accounts and they are on the PS3, PS4 Pro (x2) and PS5. Oh, and the Vita. Oh, and our PSPs!

Hope the dashboard is better than the PS5's.....

It would make financial sense for Spyro and Crash to continue to be multi-platform. Let's hope...

@TheDudeElDuderino @PixelDragon I've still got a Competition Pro stored alongside the Amiga bits and pieces in the loft! Still works.
Unlike the Cheetah Bug, that one didn't last that long until a button stopped working and it drifted left! Sensible Soccer killed that one!

@TrickyDicky99 I keep hoping that Sony will eventually allow the DS4 to be used on all PS5 games - there's no reason not to!

I too find the DS5 somewhat uncomfortable and also, there seems to be some weird compatibility issues with some PS4 games. Some examples:
1) Elder Scrolls Online - only the DS4 on a PS4 can correctly produce the rumble when picking locks, etc. The DS5 simply starts buzzing and not lot else and having either version on the fat boy doesn't work!
2) Immortals: Fenyx Rising - what the HELL is that 'rumble' supposed to be when firing with a bow? Sounds and feels like an old broken down diesel car trying to start!

Finally, what's with the cheap plastic, sharp edged finish? Is it just a ploy to get us to buy a posh £200 controller?

@PixelDragon Daley Thomson's Decathlon is responsible for so may broken controllers!
We actually kept a pair of Spectrum controllers just for those purposes as we found that waggling the controllers was an easy way to get up to speed - eat that waggling Wii!

@Enigk Might as well buy these Mcbazel ones:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Faceplates-Mcbazel-Replacement-Faceplate-Slim-Black/dp/B0BSFGGTTV/ref=sr_1_2?crid=L6SB3QB2VLOK&keywords=ps5+face+plates&qid=1704488036&sprefix=ps5+face+plates%2Caps%2C118&sr=8-2

They fit really well and makes the PS5 look almost tolerable!

Tomb Raider, on the PS4, and Dragon's Dogma 2 on The Tub o' Lard. That is all, for now at least.

2 titles on the Devolver trailer could be fun - Omnibus and Sticked In (was it called?) Plucky Squire looks cool but will wait for a review

Thank you, Capcom! Finally, there's a 2nd game worth having a PS5 for - only taken 3 years...

@MattBoothDev Interesting point about the PC - hadn't really considered that.

I don't have a problem with Druckmann - I neither like or dislike him - I find it concerning about the amount of people who have left ND since their end PS3-start PS4 heyday. I only named Druckmann as he's the only name left there that I recognise.
You say that it doesn't look like Naughty Dog are suffering, but I would say that they are creatively.

I get the PS3 to PS4 remasters because there was no backward compatibility so it made sense.
But this? Remastering a fantastic looking PS4 game is everything that is wrong with this so-called generation.

Naughty Dog used to be the golden boy of Sony Studios but now after various high profile departures, Druckmann et al seem to be in charge of a sinking ship.

@Professor_Niggle Don't think they're the same as the PS5's fans (although there seems to be some concern as to which fan you get in your PS5 as to how loud it can get - cheaper components, no doubt!)

This is the one that we replaced our original Pro one with:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/ElecGear-Replacement-Internal-Cooling-CUH-7xxx/dp/B07T3YQ12S/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1QQYF73PHJQOX&keywords=PS4+CUH-7xxx+fan&qid=1704376184&s=computers&sprefix=ps4+cuh-7xxx+fan%2Ccomputers%2C89&sr=1-1

There's a video further down in the reviews that convinced us to try it and it's definitely worked!

@Professor_Niggle Yes, but given the difference in age, I suspect the 4's thermal paste is starting to get a bit past its sell by date?
Biggest difference we found in ours, which we had done mid-last year, was having one of the new generation Nidec fans put in at the same time we had new thermal paste. Pro is eerily quiet now, even on things that used to make it take off.

@Luigia In a strange turn of events, over Christmas and New Year, our PS4 Pro CUH-7216 has remained quiet despite heavy use and yet I heard the PS5 fans kick up while playing PS4 Divinity 2 on the 1216 fat boi! In fact, I've noticed a few PS4 games where the fatty fans kick up - only a notch but audible nonetheless.

@Porco I suspect some of the HFW sales would have been lost to the "two-tier DLC" concept.

Mobile game not coming to PS4/5? Well, OK, I don't know how I'll manage without that crap landing on a Playstation console.

Tomb Raider for PS4 and Dragon's Dogma 2 for The Tub o' Lard. Will look at Star Wars Outlaws but I suspect that'll be delayed at least twice...

Personally I'd vote for 2007; Uncharted Drake's Fortune and Elder Scrolls: Oblivion on the PS3? Yet to be bettered...

@__jamiie I think it's because any 3rd party controller purchased doesn't put as much money into Sony's coffers as an official Sony one.
Let's not forget that this is the same company that won't let the DS4 be used on PS5 games for no real reason I can see.

@MrMagic True - to be honest, the DS4 is still Sony's high point in terms of controllers - why would anyone want to use an unofficial one when the DS 4 is perfect?

DS 5 still gives me hand cramps and is just very cheap feeling (sharp edges, nasty Fisher Price PS 'button' and some very iffy feeling vibrations)

@KeanuReaves
DualShock 4 = definitely
DualSense 5 = I'm still not convinced, but the lack of DS5 compatible 3rd party controllers should be investigated. Most of them seem to be without any kind of vibration, not even DS4 levels?

Devolver = Broforce!

But Omnibus and Sticked In look like wacky fun!
And the Plucky Squire looks a bit, dare I say it, Media Molecule?

Need to try Powerwash Simulator and really liked Tren.

However, this year it's been the ridiculous fun of the recently updated Broforce, playing in 2-player mode with my son. Silly, over-the-top explosions and all those comedy Bro's!

@StonyKL Not really fussed, to be honest.

Perhaps we're judging this generation unfairly by the previous generations (which we believe in, apparently) but the PS3 and PS4 by 3 years old were swamped by good quality 1st and 3rd party exclusives and multi-plats.
Perhaps it takes a lot longer to make a PS5/XSX game these days but we don't seem to be getting the same volume of decent titles as we had before (unless it's also a PS4 title).

I'd be interested to know how many PS5s out there are basically being used as a PS4 Pro Plus(ish)?

@themightyant Absolutely bang on! We really should know what's coming in the next 6-12 months (don't care about vapourware!) but at the moment there seems to be nothing?!?!?

@HonestTruth "themes or folders" - looking at my PS4 now playing its Happy Holidays 2019 theme (last one Sony issued, I think? It's that or the PS2 theme) with it's lovely tune playing in the background! Relaxing....
And all my games ordered in folders how I want them to be!

I mean, it's not as if Sony hasn't got a working version of what we want the guff 5 UI to look like.....