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As part of the bonsai pruning, they should've negotiated a deal with Clap Hanz to keep the Everybody's Golf franchise on the PS platform.
Another iconic title lost (now on Apple Arcade or the Nintendo Switch, ffs...)

I'm intrigued t know what the improvements are? Why does this need to exist?

@BowTiesAreCool I was worried Sammy had become hypnotised by the horror of the PS5 UI and possibly needed a bit of colour in his life!

Was interested until I saw "open world building game".

This is the only PS5-only title I'm looking at, at the moment, with a possible nod to Wayfinder 1.0 now they've canned the PS4 version.

DD2 was a disappointment and the endless wave of 1st party remasters hold no interest for me.

That door shot looks like it has bad cartoon outlines on the remaster, makes it look worse?

Anyway, an 'upgraded' version of a game I wasn't interested in first time round on a console I'm really beginning to lose faith in.

@get2sammyb You need to boot up a PS4 or PS3 with a cool theme in the background and then tell me you like the Welcome page.
The whole PS5 UI is just miserable, from the funeral music to the lack of games icons on the top (wherefore art thou, Folders?)

@Nakatomi_Uk PS4 occasionally used to get an 'advertising' widget on the dashboard but you could delete it.
Back in the day when Sony were friendly and not the money-grabbing Fony they are now, they even added a flag somewhere where you could tell it NOT to download advertising icons. No such joy with the Tub o' Lard and it's jarring UI.

@TrannosaurusBex Yes, there's a Singstar icon stuck under the Games vertical that appeared for some reason, even if you didn't own it?

@GingerAsh They keep nailing more crap onto the PS5 Ui and it's still a total car-crash compared to the PS4 (or the PS3, for that matter!)

Expect matching security/stability firmware for PS4 incoming...

So Prince of Persia: The Lost Crown officially gets lost down the back of the 'Good Ubisoft Titles That Should Get Sequels' sofa, resting next to Immortals: Fenyx Rising...

@NorrinRadd The 50 - 60 million active PS4s out there and they didn't think a cutesy Lego game would play OK on it and bring in $$$?

Of course not, this is Guerrilla Games being dictated to by their Fony overlords that the higher selling and still high active user base console should now be shunned. Must be the ray tracing light blinding them...

I thought the reason was Sony could sell a £50 Blu-ray drive and a cheap bit of plastic casing for £100?

Switch can run it but the PS4 can't...? Still not heard an excuse for that one.

OK, I'm confused - all the blurb seems to mention PS5 and Steam but the PS4 version seems to be skated over yet the game is out on it. Is the PS4 getting 1.0 too?

EDIT: Doesn't look like it - so why is it still on the PS4 store?
" PlayStation 4 and PlayStation 5 users, meanwhile, will have access to the current version until the Echoes update is released. At that time, according to Airship Syndicate, only the PlayStation 5 version will be supported."

Looks like I need to dust off those DS5s.

Minecraft (PS5) - ffs....

@Gooseman42 Yes, it does seem weird not being on the PS4 as well, especially given the target audience.

If TT were behind it, I suspect it would be on the old stager too but as it's Guerrilla "Wot's a PS4?" Games, they have to push the Tub o' Lard at all times as their Fony Overlords dictate to them.

@Kraven Recent Star Wars game wasn't up the standards of the PS2/3 and PSP/Vita games.
Looked slick but just somehow wasn't fun..?

Looks like a Fallout game should be! Wonder if it'll feature a VATS style system?

On another note, interesting that the PS4 is still getting releases well into 2025. That beast is never going to be retired...

@LowDefAl @Mikey856 The PS4 Pro uses super sampling so it's not a new invention - just more advanced on the PS5 Pro.
The PS4 Pro, when connected to a 1080p display and super sampling is selected in the settings, renders screens at 4K and then scales it properly onto a 1080p display and thereby you reduce jaggies and other graphical artifacts.

Been enjoying it, more so since they fixed the horrendous mob screeching/static sound (not by design!) when encountering very large mobs on the PS4 (XBone suffered from the same problem apparently).
Anyway, one recent fix later and it's playing really well.

One criticism: Every 10 feet in the jungle you encounter another large mob and every mob has a waller or mortar or freezing leader. Can get a bit monotonous?
Also, can't help thinking that the base game was more interesting (comes to something when you miss Lilith creeping around the place) & the variety of locations in the main game is better - so far it seems to be swamp, jungle, swamp, jungle...

Looks great and just goes to show what can be done with an AA(?) release.

4 years on and STILL the PS5's UI is a a sack of garbage compared to the PS4.

Why, Fony, why? Oh, it's so you can advertise more crap on the Store. It's all about the (USA) $$$$s.

@riceNpea We're clearly missing Stephen Fry narrating LBP to educate the masses.

@riceNpea Flippin' colonials, eh! 😂

Still, I reserve my main hatred for those, and they appear to be mostly Brits, who mispronounce "aitch" (H) as "haitch". First up against the wall when the revolution comes...

Crikey, PS needs him back more than ever.

Bet LBP wouldn't have been shuttered under his watch.

@Flaming_Kaiser Don't have a problem with the 5 Pro - if people have the money and can justify it to themselves, then by all means go for it.

Seems a bit odd that Sony are having to release a console to counter all the short-comings in the original.
PS4 Pro had a point (4K display) but this?

Personally, and this is maybe just my view, I have a problem with the PS5 - it just isn't living up to expectations. Hardware-wise it's fine (if fat) but the games coming out seem very 'vanilla' compared to the PS3 & PS4 era (bar a handful of exceptions) and the amount of remakes/remasters of PS4 titles is just plain irritating while some PS3 titles that we want languish on the old hardware with dead servers.

Games have been released in a dubious state from back in the PS3 and PS4 days with Day 1 patches being mandatory so having even more to patch/overwrite on the PS5 is sort of expected these days. It does make me question how any game can reach a state to go gold when what is burned on the disc is knowingly broken.

i think a lot of people forget that the PS4 Pro even running on a 1080p display offered improvements, mainly due to its super-sampling option which effectively rendered a 4K image before squashing it down to 1080p , reducing 'jaggies' (smoothing edges) in the process. That and it had a boost mode - anyone would think that was a PS5 Pro only feature.

Personally, with a 72xx series PS4 Pro with a fast SSD inside it, and given the monotonous/remastered games plopping out on the PS5, I find less of a reason to use the newer (I would say better but...) console over the old one.

Wait a month and buy a disc from various retailers for £10-20 less than the ridiculous store price.
Simple, really.

Not listed on here but can recommend "Bubble Shooter FX" if you want a relaxing puzzle bobble style game after scaring yourself with the horror titles. There's a demo and the full version is only £4.
And, chill....

@Steel76 Funny thing is I have a folder on my PS4's dashboard called 'Demos' into which a put all the demo versions of games I've played or am playing.
Using the old stager is just so much nicer...

@OldGamer999 @ProfessorNiggle PS3 and PS4 beat them all....still.

@Jrs1 Turned mine off - dreary funereal dirge is really depressing.
By comparison, my PS4 Pro boots up with a classy retro-PS2 theme which is infinitely more welcoming.

Themes, eh? Who'd have thought they would've been the top requested feature (vying for top spot with folders) on a PS front end? Everybody it seems, apart from Fony.

@Rich33 "Sony really needs the Pro to be well adopted or it could have serious implications for PS6".

Won't make the slightest bit of difference to the PS6 - a stand alone product not shackled by the PS5 like the Pro is (as was the PS4 Pro by the base PS4).
PS6 will be PS5 Pro Plus doing all the things that the Pro does only a lot better (hopefully it'll look better than currant eye-sore too!).
Also it should have some other fab tech in it rather than just a warmed up GPU.

@Voltan Disappeared from PS Plus in Sept 2022, not been back long and there it goes again!

I'm dropping to Essential from Extra in December. Might as well just buy any of the limited titles available to Extra with the money saved, probably on disc as well, just to be sure.

@Skeletor85 PS4 Pro with a 6GB/s SSD counteracts much of the loading time issues?

Nothing on the PS5 has wow-ed me in the way that Uncharted: Drake's Fortune did back in the PS3 days. You knew we were in a new generation whereas this one has been a bit 'meh'.

Not much argument to say that "Among Thieves" is better than "Drake's Fortune" but I think "on the map in a way that the first game didn't quite manage" is a bit of a stretch.

Uncharted 1 was the first "OMG, PS2 couldn't do this!" event of the PS3/X360 era.

Shame the PS5 hasn't had a similar title.

Don't get the fascination - I had a Vita slim with the HORI 4-button grip and used that to connect to my PS4 to play Dragon Age amongst others.
Lag wasn't the issue (barely a stutter) but tiny screen was and I couldn't see the point (or anything else!)

Decided to buy another PS4 Pro (2nd hand for less than a portal and traded HORI grip in for about £60!) and installed that in the spare room - main TV collisions averted!

Just release the game (JUST the game) in a standard Blu-ray case on one (or more) discs as needed. Job done and they might even get more sales!

I miss Core Design. They did some corking games on the Amiga, such as Rick Dangerous

@LogicStrikesAgain Unfortunately, I think that in 2-3 years, the PS6 will be out (7 year gap) and then the PS5 & Pro just won't be worth much.
Fair play to buy one IF Sony manage to produce some decent, original titles but in a swirling miasma of remasters and nothing due 'til May 2025, it's a case of diminishing returns. Also, the Pro is going to be 'held back' by the base console that has proven to be less of an upgrade than many thought.
At best, I view the Pro as being a case of making the best of Sony's bad job.

Still baffles me that someone at Sony looked at the PS4's UI and functionality and thought, "no we don't want THAT on our latest console!"
Old stager STILL blows the PS5 UI out of the water over 4 years later.

Sony have always been slow sending out updates (maybe PS haven't got the localisation people any more now they're 'mercains?) - just look at their smartphone updates, arriving, in some cases, months after other manufacturers!

How to order:
1. Get a lobotomy
2. Feel happy handing over £800 for a console that barely does anything more than the last one (or the one before that)

Sega have commented recently that they have no intention of leaving older consoles such as Switch and PS4 behind unless technically impossible.

@Nakatomi_Uk Not even sure why they took it off in the first place? Still, can't have the PS4 embarrassing the PS5 titles, can we, eh?

Sounds like LBP 3 is heading this way and I suspect Everybody's Golf will be next, if it hasn't already been de-listed.

Fony Sony remastering crap that isn't needed and what we want are PS3/PS4 classics to come back

@zupertramp Looks like LBP is done with as MM are working on some other IP, last anyone heard from them. Shame.
All we've got of Sackboy is Big Adventure and let's face it, it's just not as good as LBP 1 & 2

@Nakatomi_Uk Not sure but I've just ordered a copy! Think there was a demo on PSN at some point but that's probably MIA too?

Dunno if it works on the PS5 - I would imagine it does according to YouTube? I've still got my proper Pro so I'm covered!

Someone on these hallowed pages said that the patches and so on were still accessible?

@zupertramp That's true but just because a game gets de-listed doesn't mean the patches aren't available.
I mean look at Driveclub - 10 years old now and dead as a dodo but the patches are still available, apparently.

TBH, preferred LBP 1 & 2 ('Uncle Jalapenos Boom Town' being a particular favourite level, especially in manic 4-player mode!)
Perhaps Media Molecule added an extra layer of magic dust over those? Of course those servers are long dead and the first two LBP games are permanently stuck on the PS3.

This is everything that is wrong with current Fony Sony.

Servers have been dead since the start of the year and were taken down just after Media Molecule uploaded all their objects, textures and so on for public consumption.

Total **** up.

Let's hope the character models look better than the Horizon remix.