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@Professor_Niggle Yes, but given the difference in age, I suspect the 4's thermal paste is starting to get a bit past its sell by date?
Biggest difference we found in ours, which we had done mid-last year, was having one of the new generation Nidec fans put in at the same time we had new thermal paste. Pro is eerily quiet now, even on things that used to make it take off.

@Luigia In a strange turn of events, over Christmas and New Year, our PS4 Pro CUH-7216 has remained quiet despite heavy use and yet I heard the PS5 fans kick up while playing PS4 Divinity 2 on the 1216 fat boi! In fact, I've noticed a few PS4 games where the fatty fans kick up - only a notch but audible nonetheless.

@Porco I suspect some of the HFW sales would have been lost to the "two-tier DLC" concept.

Mobile game not coming to PS4/5? Well, OK, I don't know how I'll manage without that crap landing on a Playstation console.

Tomb Raider for PS4 and Dragon's Dogma 2 for The Tub o' Lard. Will look at Star Wars Outlaws but I suspect that'll be delayed at least twice...

Personally I'd vote for 2007; Uncharted Drake's Fortune and Elder Scrolls: Oblivion on the PS3? Yet to be bettered...

@__jamiie I think it's because any 3rd party controller purchased doesn't put as much money into Sony's coffers as an official Sony one.
Let's not forget that this is the same company that won't let the DS4 be used on PS5 games for no real reason I can see.

@MrMagic True - to be honest, the DS4 is still Sony's high point in terms of controllers - why would anyone want to use an unofficial one when the DS 4 is perfect?

DS 5 still gives me hand cramps and is just very cheap feeling (sharp edges, nasty Fisher Price PS 'button' and some very iffy feeling vibrations)

@KeanuReaves
DualShock 4 = definitely
DualSense 5 = I'm still not convinced, but the lack of DS5 compatible 3rd party controllers should be investigated. Most of them seem to be without any kind of vibration, not even DS4 levels?

Devolver = Broforce!

But Omnibus and Sticked In look like wacky fun!
And the Plucky Squire looks a bit, dare I say it, Media Molecule?

Need to try Powerwash Simulator and really liked Tren.

However, this year it's been the ridiculous fun of the recently updated Broforce, playing in 2-player mode with my son. Silly, over-the-top explosions and all those comedy Bro's!

@StonyKL Not really fussed, to be honest.

Perhaps we're judging this generation unfairly by the previous generations (which we believe in, apparently) but the PS3 and PS4 by 3 years old were swamped by good quality 1st and 3rd party exclusives and multi-plats.
Perhaps it takes a lot longer to make a PS5/XSX game these days but we don't seem to be getting the same volume of decent titles as we had before (unless it's also a PS4 title).

I'd be interested to know how many PS5s out there are basically being used as a PS4 Pro Plus(ish)?

@themightyant Absolutely bang on! We really should know what's coming in the next 6-12 months (don't care about vapourware!) but at the moment there seems to be nothing?!?!?

@HonestTruth "themes or folders" - looking at my PS4 now playing its Happy Holidays 2019 theme (last one Sony issued, I think? It's that or the PS2 theme) with it's lovely tune playing in the background! Relaxing....
And all my games ordered in folders how I want them to be!

I mean, it's not as if Sony hasn't got a working version of what we want the guff 5 UI to look like.....

@get2sammyb It's almost like we need communication from this latest iteration of PlayStation?
I hope when Ryan finally shuffles off, we get someone in who engages with the community (bring back Shaun Layden!)

@HonestTruth I don't have a problem with games being released for the PS4 if the PS4 is capable of running them.

I have a problem with the White Goods console having a PS3 remaster, a PS4 game (R&C) and a few other releases but I think it takes the pee somewhat when Sony's biggest release for the 5 seems to be a remaster of a PS4 title that was remastered from a PS3 title. 3 years in and we should be rolling around in must-have AAA titles but we're not - thankfully 3rd party studios are tarting up PS4 games because otherwise there'd be very slim pickings.

If I had my choice again, I'd not have bothered with the PS5 this year and stuck with just the PS4 Pro SSD as, apart from a couple of games (well, BG3 really), there's still nothing exciting coming out for the soulless console.

@IndoorEnthusiast I was about to say the same thing - given that Fony have denied us access to the 'we know it's there' PS5 web browser, how is anyone looking anything up on the bloody thing?

I just want to look up ESO hidden treasure locations (not a euphemism) but I can't do that never mind going off to pornhub!

All I can say is thank god for the PS4 and its 'tap PS button, back to dashboard, load browser' web browser (for the ESO hidden treasure maps, obviously!)

So Jim Ryan is off out the door with his properly coloured controller (grrr) and suddenly the live service games are being ditched in favour of some single player titles. Coincidence? No.

Might be interested in a PS5 Pro. Actual consistent 4K@60fps would be good (and yes the PS5 still does use checker boarding to perform some of its visuals) A distinctly better looking console would be welcome!

I upgraded to a PS4 Pro from my OG so I could benefit from higher frame rates and higher fidelity at 1080p with the eventual switch to a 4K TV. I put an MX500 SATA3 SSD inside and so the jump to the PS5 has been somewhat depressing.
The PS5 UI still sucks massively and the lack of the PS4 features is jarring (folders, themes, ability to download more that one thing at once, backing up saves to USB, etc, etc.)

@Max_the_German M$ were strong in the UK in the 360-PS3 era but I know a lot of people who swapped their 360s to PS4 instead of the XBone.
XBox almost became for parlance for video gaming but now PlayStation seems to be the preferred term again.

@XenonKnight @Bionic-Spencer Personally, I think the PS4 would still be selling in decent numbers if the Pro was still around. The used prices are nuts and a new one will set you back about £700.

Disney totally out of touch with reality again - who'd have thought, eh?

4th best selling system?

IT'S NOT A SYSTEM FFS! IT'S A DUMB TERMINAL and totally useless if it's out of communications with a particular PS5!

I know what my number one will be - ESO - as it has been for the last couple of years. Intrigued to know what number two will be though (can't check from work).

But is there no 2023 wrap up theme? Of course not, as the Tub o' Lard can't display themes so stuff those 80m+ PS4 users?

@theSpectre Not really, but it'd be better than no-one running them and them disappearing into the history books along with Studio Liverpool and Evolution (different circumstances, I know)

Surely a case for Sony Studios Nottingham or even Xbox Studios Nottingham?

In no particular order, Dragon's Dogma 2, Star Wars Outlaws and Tomb Raider (the proper ones remastered)

Questions are:
1) will it have a disc drive, and
2) will it be less butt-ugly than the current one?

I'd settle for 4k @ 60fps from the Pro as the current one seems to be struggling (game specific)

@Flaming_Kaiser For Sony, it should be a very straightforward change to allow DS4s on PS5 games - all the buttons are present and correct. The PS5 identifies the DS4 before simply saying that you can't use a DS4 to play any PS5 games. That is a blocking limitation rather than an incompatibility.
They came up with some hooey about 'only by using the DS5 can players experience the true game changes in the PS5' but we all know it's all about the almighty dollar with the number of DS5s they can flog you.

Well, I'm not going to be completing PoE 2 anytime soon.

@zekepliskin Played Astro's Playroom but I just found myself saying "oh, the controller's vibrating".
I know a lot of people claim to like it but didn't add anything for me. It's up there with the PS2 'feel the rain' slogan - I never did but I enjoyed excellent gaming.

TBH, I'm finding the whole PS5 era a bit "emperor's new clothes" - lots of things are reported to be so much better and yet...

Can't help noticing that there are still a lot of cross-gen games coming.

Can't say I'll miss Ryan, unless they bring in another even worse accountant. Jack Tretton, Andrew House and Shawn Layden would be my top pick for replacements - mainly 'cos they know how to engage with the Playstation audience.

Still got 3 DS3 controllers and 4 DS4 controllers - all of which seem to have a much better battery life than the DS5 (DS3s ludicrously so!)
And even the DS3 controllers are more comfortable than the DS5s, never mind the sublime DS4s. The DS5s are as miserable to look at as the PS5s funereal UI.

Sony should enable DS4 controller support for all PS5 games.

The DS4 is more comfortable, seems better built (no cheap sharp edges) and more importantly has all the buttons you need.
Haptic feedback is just some rather lacklustre buzzing controller motors that (IMO) don't seem to add anything over what the DS4s could do. In some cases, it's worse - Elder Scrolls Online on the PS4 gives proper feedback with the DS4, giving varying degrees of vibration when trying to pick a lock whereas the DS5 just sits there buzzing all the time!? Immersion breaker that one.

Looks like Sony have released something for the old stager too:
PS4 update 11.02 patch (December 6, 2023)

Was it just the PS5 that was affected? Surely we should be expecting a PS4 firmware drop if the fix fixed anything on The Tub o' Lard as they both use the same account?

Edit: @khayl Looks like Sony have released something for the old stager too:
PS4 update 11.02 patch (December 6, 2023)

Will Baldur's Gate 3 win Game of the Year? It should do and therefore probably won't.
Will we see PlayStation boss Jim Ryan at any point during the show? Assumed he was on gardening leave.

Still no themes or folders? ffs Sony....

It's such a shame Fony haven't released THEMES for the PS5 Tub o' Lard yet. I have several State of Play themes available on the stylish 4.

Thought for a moment you got to power wash Lara Croft! Eeek...

All this and Embracer (or should that be backstabber?) closing Free Radical by the end of the year?
Sheesh...

Given the buoyancy of the console market, you would've thought now would've been a good time in the games business but these cuts are devastating.

"Due out in 2026 for all major platforms"

Really, we're crystal ball gazing that far ahead? Well, at least the PS6 will have 1 game available on release day...

Looks to have the feeling of Tracks - Toybox Edition on the Switch.

Original game killed two fat boy PS3s.

Looking forward to this melting the PS5.

Don't think I've ever heard of NCSOFT? Should I have?

Remember playing Worms on an old Sony Ericsson and that was OK.
Mobile phones (and tablets) always suffer from their lack of physical controls. I know you can pair a DS4 to some gadgets but then that's hardly portable and mobile any more? I'd rather keep using my Vita than even try with my phone.

@Tomato_Goose Neverwinter Nights was epic - never got round to trying the PS4 enhanced version.
Think I've got Sword Coast Legends on PS4 too?

@Bingbongboyo One of my mates was addicted to the warp tunnel demo of Stardust that came on Amiga Format, developed for the Amiga by a little company called Housemarque!

Sony Studios releases have left me cold but this is one of titles that I bought a PS5 for.

@riceNpea Still got the A1200 in the loft with its mighty 340Mb hard drive!

My son's Christmas list this year is dominated by the Evercade console and some of the C64 & Amiga titles. Proves that graphics can be as shiny and spangly as anything on the PS5 but if the gameplay isn't there. Also, we're currently replaying Broforce in multiplayer mode - brilliant!

@riceNpea Yes, it was a case of getting the volume at just the right level so it would load correctly!
Think I'd moved onto the Amiga by the time the +3 arrived? Kids these days don't know they're born!