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@JohntheRaptor They can be but I got my boxed slim Vita from them and it was absolutely mint. The rip off part, for me, seems to be the £2.50 per item P&P rather than bundling everything together.

Firmware update 12.00 is available for the PS4 too.
Doesn't seem to do much other than "We’ve improved the messages and usability on some screens.” Probably some more security fixes under the hood.

Looks like the game Dragon's Dogma 2 should have been.

That said, Black Desert looked amazing but played like a turd so who knows? I'll wait for the reviews.

Is it me or is New Sony becoming a bit...."Apple-ish"?
Overpriced hardware which the Sheeple will lap up and everyone else isn't that bothered? Been a problem ever since PS decamped to the USA.

Nintendo's "Switch 2" is going to crush Sony in their actual home country, even more than they are at the moment. PS5 and Xbox wil be level pegging in terms of sales.

@blah01 Fed up with the background game updates on the PS5. It's never going to be as good as the PS4 which had a dedicated chip to handle up to about 5 downloads simultaneously while the 5 can only ever do one at a time and sometimes it still gets stuck at 'Queued', almost like it's got something else on? Swear it's slower to download PS4 titles than the old Pro.

@nomither6 you're right - the PS3's XMB could have a theme running in the background which could be partially obscured by a game screen or carried on with the theme if the game didn't have one. My PS3 has the Virtual Earth for my login and my son has Motorstorm: Arctic Edge.

@Bondi_Surfer Nobody knows.
Best theory so far is that the devs are a small team and only had the PS5 dev system. It certainly isn't because the old stager couldn't run it - still I suppose the PS5 does need the odd game now and again as otherwise I've got a £500 door stop.

@kirkn I think I bought Control: Ultimate Edition for a little bit more than that (£14?) and it's one of THE best games in the PS4's mature years.

@nomither6 Agree with every single one of your points.

So, wait, the USA Tubs o' Lard get a different UI element to the rest of the universe? I know PS is now totally US-centric, but this is taking the pee, isn't it?

@PerpetualBoredom From the PS4 themes section (Legacy Dashboard Theme?) - cost about £1.50 but it was developed by proper Sony, Naughty Dog and some others, using the original PS2 sound files.
Lovely theme and yet we're still waiting for them on the Tub o' Lard's dreary mess of a UI.

Got a PS5, my son has now clogged up the miniscule hard drive with screen and video grabs so I've uninstalled my PS4 games to give him more space and installed them on the PS4 Pro that's still in the living room.

Having a great time, turns out the old stager isn't ready to be pensioned off anytime soon, more comfortable controllers that last longer than a Fruit Pastille and I get greeted by a lovely PS2-theme when I start it up, not some miserable 'You Died' grey sparkle, funeral dirge thing.

Or buy one from CEX and get a 2 year warranty.

Looked forward to it, experienced it, uninstalled it not long after, traded disc in.
Makes the first one look like a masterpiece (which it is, even though it killed 2 fat PS3s)

@Barryburton97 I think with phones, you could buy a bleeding edge Google one for £1,750 or you have the choice to buy a Samsung one that does 95% of the same stuff for a third of that.

Here it's proprietary Sony hardware - no clones available. You're right it's a shock with the expected price as the PS4 Pro was what, £400 brand new? For whatever reason, the cost to build a PS5 hasn't dropped (allegedly, but why then the cheaper to make Slim?) so a model with more stuff in it will cost more (bar the disc drive) Consoles are supposed to be throwaway items when the next one comes in but £700 for a barely better than the last Pro is profiteering at its worst.

I'm hoping beyond hope that Nintendo come out with a Switch 2 that starts to level this playing field.

@LogicStrikesAgain I was about to say, in news from the past, the PS4 Pro also has a boost mode.

My ESO Bosmer says "hi!'.

However, this is exactly why I rarely buy a new game from day 1 as you have to wait months for it to be patched to an acceptable level.

@Pranwell For those who are happy to pay even more to get the generational leap we were promised then that's fine.

Our local CEX is already swamped with PS5s, even some of the fat-slims, so I can only imagine the trade in value is already dropping (supply & demand) and it will just get much worse.

DualSense 5 controllers have always felt cheap and after having the bundled white one going left constantly, it had to be replaced. The replacement is already feeling sub-par despite a lack of use.

I have 3 Official DualShock 3s which are still working fine, I have 4 DualShock 4s which are still working fine whereas the 5s controller just feel brittle.

@Northern_munkey At the current rate of play, looks like the PS4 might outlast it's 'successor'.

And make Fenyx Rising 2 while you're at it.

Startup sound would've been quite different with Robert Palmer, Andy Taylor, John Taylor and Tony Thompson doing the intro...

@OldGamer999 100% increase for a 20% gain in performance (or certainly feels like it at the moment). Total waste of over £500. Fool me once New Sony...

The very existence of the 5 Pro proves that the original wasn't up to snuff. There's no push for 8K TVs like the PS4 Pro was created for 4K displays and people are hoping for 4K @ 60fps - shouldn't the original have been capable of that when the 4 Pro was chucking about 4K @ 30fps?

Be interesting to see if the PS5 Pro is hit by the same caveats as the PS4 Pro in terms of must work on the base console too. Again, sign me up to be interested when the PS6 breaks cover.

I have a PS4 Pro. It cost £300 brand new. All its DS4 controllers still work perfectly.
I have a PS5. It cost £529 with a second controller. The white controller has had to be returned once due to drift and it's feeling a little flimsy again already with minimal use.
No Sony, you won't be getting any more money from me until I see what the PS6 can do.

Psygnosis/Studio Liverpool = dead
Evolution = dead
Media Molecule = Missing in action

That is the problem New Sony has.

Sounds like it's unimpressive - and sounds like we're all still lamenting the demise of Evolution (stupid Sony).
Wonder if the patches are still online for a disc copy of Driveclub?

Demote Herman and put somebody with a soul in charge again - a Layden or Tretton.

Every game ships with the wrong version on the disc as every game is broken at the point it goes gold!

Day 1 patch to replace multiple GBs of data to fix it and then several other patches later to replace yet more GBs of data.
Small wonder I don't buy games (physical or digital) day one and wait until at least v1.0.3 is available..

@Yagami Loved the original on PS3 and PS4 but the 2nd one just seemed dull, with wishy-washy graphics, the almost square based movement and the constant jabbering pawns trying to pull you in different directions were too annoying.
I'm hoping for a good Dragon Age as otherwise I'm feeling tempted to write the whole PS5 era off - fancy ray tracing doesn't help if the gameplay is broken.

@Yagami True, but the flip-side can be true too - look at the reviews of Dragon's Dogma 2 and I thought it was a total let-down with scratchy PS3 graphics and terrible gameplay.

Utter garbage. Rounders - USA edition, the most banal, derivative, 'so-called fantasy' cack called Potter (should be Plopper) and Little Nighmares 2 scored a massive 6/10 on these very pages.

Oh well, no need to clog up the PS4 and PS5 hard drives this month.

Dragon Age for me but
1) I will wait until reviews give a good or bad verdict, and
2) I will wait for a little while so the major game breaking bugs have been fixed as all games seem to be released broken these days.

Doesn't ESO count as an MMO? Been going for over 10 years now...

@nomither6 Think you've got a point!

So much good stuff still stuck on the PS3 (Motorstorm, LBP 1 & 2, Modnation Racers, etc.)
Glad I've still got a working one and discs!

@breakneck No, they'll be just different enough so they can wring more money out of you!

So the world's fattest and ugliest console has got even fatter? Give me a call Sony when the PS6 is out if you've sorted the vile UI and size issues - and it better have a disc drive too!

@Dragoon1994 Still are!
Only the other week we had a 3 PSP ad-hoc network connected war going on on Open Warfare 2! Hilarious when someone got the Concrete Donkey!

Utter, utter, utter crap.

Rounders and the worlds most generic 'fantasy' (Worst Witch rip off)?? Little Nightmares might be worth a look but I have a feeling it won't be on the hard drive for long.

@Anti-Matter Yes, you need a l-o-n-g Component cable and check that you have the 5 component sockets (3 video, 2 audio) on the back of the TV - either that or you'd need a Component to HDMI converter.

@Anti-Matter We were waiting for a 'clip-on' UMD drive for the Vita since that came out. Rumours were that was what the extra port was for on top of the OG Vita?
So many great games stuck on UMD...

Battery life - well the Vita Slim lasted for about 6 hours between charges so I think we would see an increase on that.
Weird thing is the PSP 2000/3000 can connect to a TV via a component cable - a feature that Sony removed from the Vita.

@darylb24 I think if any more proof was needed, it's that PlayStation don't care about Japan any more.
Unfortunately, they seem to be an American company who are only catering to Americans and they are the only region to not have any price rises.

I just hope Nintendo come out with a corker of a "Switch 2" to shake up the console market.

@LifeGirl Only the PS1 version using some emulation is available on the PSN.
I'm hoping beyond hope that this is Worms 2: Armageddon from the PS3.

There were several updated weapons in the Amiga Director's Cut edition (Super Sheep, Sheep on a Rope, Buffalo Of Lies and the Holy Hand Grenade) but most of these were incorporated in the PS3 Worms 2: Armageddon, as well as the Open Warfare titles on the PSP.

Hopefully the Japanese will realise that their PS4/Pro models play 90% of the games and vote with their wallets.

New Sony just get worse and worse...

@naruball True but I think there is a definite market for a new PSP (keep the name simple, everyone knows what it is).
The problem is that Sony's multi-million dollar productions these days would not transfer onto a handheld easily. It was easier in the PS2 & PS3 days but maybe taking PS4 code would be a decent start for a next-gen handheld.
Unfortunately, I could see New Sony 'doing a Vita' and abandoning it should the PS6 be a success.

Still got my PSP 3000 and slim Vita. If the PS5 sales are slowing up, maybe Sony want to look at the situation again.

The amount of positive messaging surrounding a PSP 3 (Vita was 2) was absolutely massive. The amount of disappointment when it turned out to be a PS5 viewer was equally as massive.

We want a PSP 3 - whether Sony give us one, that's one for the bean counters to crunch but I'm sure Cerny could knock one up.
As an aside, indies love handhelds (3DS, PSP, Vita, Switch) so you may well get an increase in decent, fun oddball titles.

PS4 Pro had a point - 4K visuals.

I'm barely starting up my PS5 Tub o' Lard at the moment - Dragon's Dogma 2 was a total let down, so perhaps Dragon Age will redeem the RPG genre on the PS5?

At the moment, I'm playing Diablo 4 on an SSD-equipped, quiet PS4 Pro and from the lovely UI to the quick loading times, I feel like the PS5 is just a waste of £500 so I'm certainly not going to drop £600 on a souped up version of such disappointment. I mean apart from fixing the obvious weaknesses in the 5's hardware, what's it going to do? 8K visuals? No-one cares. 4K @ 60fps? Shouldn't the current one be capable of that? The 4 Pro was kicking 4K chequerboard visuals at 30fps, sometimes higher so why is the 5 having such trouble?

Bring on the PS6....

Never signed up for it, never cared. Would rather save money buying physical copies of games anyway..

@dschons Sony seems to communicate even less since Herman took over, if that's possible.
I mean, even Jimbob used to turn up occasionally, make an inappropriate comment, before bogging off back into the undergrowth.

Sigh, I miss the Layden/House/Tretton days...

Who keeps buying Minecraft and Mario Kart 8 on the Switch? Everyone must have a copy by now?!?!?

Will try it on Extra but physical copy might be bought for the Switch.

Black Desert looked amazing put played reallly, really badly.
At least it looks like the character can walk in this demo, rather than running everywhere!

Given it's on the Switch, I'm surprised it's not on the PS4 too - family friendly title for those on a budget. Maybe the devs only had the new kits?

Still, my Extra runs out in December so I'll boot up the Tub o' Lard for once and give this a go.

Starfield was supposed to be coming to PS until the M$ buyout.

Maybe they've dusted off the source code and started work on it again? I'd be surprised if Forza goes multi-platform.