Wow, the haters come out in the comment section today. A mixture of having no clue of technical aspects of game programming and just jealousy. If you don't like a hardware just don't buy it but leave the people who like it alone with comments. It's like: Why the hell do they sell chocolate ice cream at the supermarket - I HATE CHOCOLATE ICE CREAM
@Northern_munkey How on earth should a Pro improve the game if the code is capped to 30FPS? There is no magic that could change compiled code at runtime. If Bloodbourne would have an uncapped mode it would run with 60FPS with higher resolution even on a base PS5.
@BrettAwesome It sucks but try to buy a car for the price of 10 years ago. And don't even look at high end graphic cards for PC. When I stopped upgrading my PC every 2-3 years the very good graphic cards cost under 500€, now it's way over 1000€.
I was never mad about the price point. I also don't complain about iphone prices - I just don't buy it because I prefer other phones. But I bought the pro because I really liked the concept. That's is.
The PC Masterrace community vs Playstation? Reminds me of C64/Atari or 2600 vs intellivision or BBC Micro vs Spectrum - Apple vs Andriod the list goes on. Some things never change.
I own PSVR2 and Quest 3 but I always hope and wait for a game on Quest to come to PSVR2 as I prefer the system. So it's a sad thing. I really hope Sony wakes up and at least brings us Astro Bot 2. If Astro Bot 2 will be flat only it would be a HUGE blow. Quest as the leading platform vor VR is a horrible thing. I like the quest but the graphics are so poor. Imagine Switch would be the leading platform for AAA games.
More of the same (if it is good) should never be a negative factor in a review in my opinion. Most people DO want more of the same otherwise you wouldn't have a favourite meal.
@ORO_ERICIUS You will NEVER get 4K60FPS with our without raytracing if the developers CHOOSES not to implement it. Framerate is not a hardware problem. It is a CHOICE of the developers. Always! Because even with a PC and a 4090 a developer could use so extensive graphics, details, bad programming skills that 60FPS could not be possible. So, yes, fast hardware is necessary but not enough if the developers chooses not to go for 60FPS. Nevertheless a Pro version of the PS5 is always a good thing, especially for VR
I always have problems with game you can't play seated because after 30 minutes I want to sit down. Ok with rhytm games for a quick game but not ok with titles you want to play for a longer period of time.
Won't buy it until a performance mode is implemented. Even if the resolution and the level of detail is worse. If I look around with the right stick and that isn't smooth it simply kills the immersion.
My bigger concern is not to miss to preorder the hardware of PSVR2 day 1. I hope it's not like on PS5 lauch day. I had a 5 minute window at 2 o'clock in the morning to order one.
I bought so ridiculous many games the last couple of years for the playstation that there're hardly any games available on playstation extra or premium that I didn't already buy. So I stick to essential for the foreseeable future.
I downloaded the free PS Plus version, played it for 10 minutes and didn't play it every since. I would never have bought it. It's just not fun to play in my opinion. Technically brilliant but the gameplay is just not mine.
The only thing interesting for me would be DLC's and sequels. I'm not interested in the story and the characters outside of the game at all. Game developers often think that their story is good. 99% it simply isn't. The story of most games hardly have the depth of a B-movie to be honest. And the character models in Elden Ring are perfect for a game but not for a movie, comic or whatever. At least not for the majority of gamers, only for hard core fanboys.
I bought it on PS3, PS4 and even on a steam-sale. I would only use it for single player as I hate the toxic kiddy community of GTA. 5-10€ would be the maximum I'd pay.
@Fiendish-Beaver The difference between 60FPS and 30FPS is crucial. In games like Horizon you see it immediately if you move the camera with your right stick. It is very smooth. If you are ok with 30FPS then NEVER play it with 60FPS as you cannot go back - in platformers it is even more important as the whole jumping is much more fluent and feels natural.
@munstre You are absolutely correct. Some people simply don't understand the 3 basics in game programming: There are three factors: Resolution, Frame-Rate and Picture Quality. If one reaches the maximum of the hardware possibilities, one or two of the others have to be lowered.
Even the NES back in the 80s had a lot of 60FPS games but the resolution and the picture quality was poor. So if a game wants to show you the absolute maximum picture quality even a 3000€ gaming PC might not run it in 60FPS or 4k. But on PC not the developer decides, the user does. Because every PC is different. Some users go for 20FPS with super picture quality, others want 120FPS with very poor picture quality. On consoles the developer has to decide (or gives 2-3 options like performance mode).
But I can't stand if somebody says "the console cannot run the game in 60FPS". Of course it can. But if the developers doesn't give you the choice it's their fault, not the consoles.
And for the price of the system, the hardware is crazy capable in my opinion.
As you cannot actually see your characters face 90% of the time it is not THAT important. I hope the multiplayer characters are not covered in paint like in the other from software games.
Typical PC developers. Make a game that hardly runs on current hardware and tell the customers to invest LOTS OF MONEY in new PC hardware or wait for a new console generation. Optimizing a game? Oh, that's a lot of work. Good developrs do that but it's very time consuming and difficult.
@RBMango A six in my opinion is not ok because a test score is not a matter of if a person/reviewer likes the game or not but you have to consider the technical quality, the gameplay, the artstyle, etc...so everything under an 8 is like saying the godfather 2 is an average movie. You might not like it but as a reviewer you have to admit it's a great one.
Damn. As a Ratchet and Clank Fan I hated to read "short" and "easy". That was exactly my biggest fear esp. for 80 Euros. But of course I'll buy it and try to play it slowly.
I didn't buy it because of the horrible trophy list. It is a huge missed opportunity to motivate players to dig deep into the games. The trophy list is ridiculous.
Let's be honest. 4k to 2k is not THAT big of an improvement. A fluent 2k game is way better than a non fluent 4k one and while playing you hardly notice a difference unless you sit 1m in front of a 65 inch TV.
I haven't even killed the first boss yet - after playing for 7 hours now. I like the game but hate myself for being so bad. My problem: When I face the boss I had no health item and no astronaut. I HAVE to have both next time.
Sorry, I learned my lesson: A lot of games are buggy at start. If you wait for 6 month they are patched and much cheaper. And the new price for PS5 games like 80 Euros is a no go for me. I will even buy less games in the first week after release.
If it supports the maximum headset resolution on PS5 I will buy it. I still love PSVR because it just doen't make my head and neck hurt like the other headset I own: The Quest 2. Yes, I love to play Half Life Alyx streaming wireless to the quest but it is so heavy and uncomfortable that I still prefer the PSVR, even in 2011. Can't wait for PSVR 2.
@stu123 I ordered a series x, too. But I'll hardly use it. Only bought it because I'm a tech nerd and want to own every single console. Sony will of course patch this.
As a person with 4GB of HDD on my PS4 and a LOT of games I will have some problems in the future with the small SSD. Big compatible SSDs will be quite expensive. I want my collection within reach and not deinstall and redownload games again and again. So at least to park them on and external drive would help.
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Re: Bloodborne PS5 Pro Comparison Appears As Consumers Receive Console Early
Wow, the haters come out in the comment section today. A mixture of having no clue of technical aspects of game programming and just jealousy. If you don't like a hardware just don't buy it but leave the people who like it alone with comments. It's like: Why the hell do they sell chocolate ice cream at the supermarket - I HATE CHOCOLATE ICE CREAM
Re: Bloodborne PS5 Pro Comparison Appears As Consumers Receive Console Early
@Northern_munkey How on earth should a Pro improve the game if the code is capped to 30FPS? There is no magic that could change compiled code at runtime. If Bloodbourne would have an uncapped mode it would run with 60FPS with higher resolution even on a base PS5.
Re: PS5 Pro Packaging Flaunts Its Disc-Free Nature
@BrettAwesome It sucks but try to buy a car for the price of 10 years ago. And don't even look at high end graphic cards for PC.
When I stopped upgrading my PC every 2-3 years the very good graphic cards cost under 500€, now it's way over 1000€.
Re: Balatro Deals More Free Crossover Cards Featuring Cyberpunk, Stardew Valley, More
I really liked the game but I'm simply too stupid to get to the later levels or coming close to the platinum.
Re: Mini Review: Kill Knight (PS5) - An Unrelenting Arcade Nightmare
Exactly my type of game. I grew up in the 80s with arcade games and still love pure arcade style games a lot.
Re: Poll: Did You Pre-Order a PS5 Pro?
I was never mad about the price point. I also don't complain about iphone prices - I just don't buy it because I prefer other phones. But I bought the pro because I really liked the concept. That's is.
Re: Interview: The Making of Astro Bot, the PS5's Next Great Exclusive
I'm still in shock that there's no PSVR2 version announced.
Re: Helldivers 2 PC Is Getting Review Bombed Over PSN Requirement
The PC Masterrace community vs Playstation? Reminds me of C64/Atari or 2600 vs intellivision or BBC Micro vs Spectrum - Apple vs Andriod the list goes on. Some things never change.
Re: Everybody's Golf Dev Skips PSVR2 for New VR Golf Game
I own PSVR2 and Quest 3 but I always hope and wait for a game on Quest to come to PSVR2 as I prefer the system. So it's a sad thing. I really hope Sony wakes up and at least brings us Astro Bot 2. If Astro Bot 2 will be flat only it would be a HUGE blow.
Quest as the leading platform vor VR is a horrible thing. I like the quest but the graphics are so poor. Imagine Switch would be the leading platform for AAA games.
Re: Game of the Year: Best PS5, PS4 Indie Game of 2023
Humanity esp. in VR is for me the biggest surprise of 2023 - a nearly perfect game in every aspect.
Re: Poll: Do You Think GTA 6 Will Release on PS4?
@Dman10 Do young think the Switch 2 will be much faster than a PS4?
Re: Poll: Do You Think GTA 6 Will Release on PS4?
@Splat Why? If it comes to PS4 we have a chance of a 60FPS game on PS5. If it only comes to PS5 they will make sure it only runs at 30FPS.
Re: Marvel's Spider-Man 2 (PS5) - A Familiar But Fantastic Superhero Sequel
More of the same (if it is good) should never be a negative factor in a review in my opinion. Most people DO want more of the same otherwise you wouldn't have a favourite meal.
Re: Elden Ring Update 1.09 Adds Ray Tracing on PS5, Here Are All the Patch Notes
@ORO_ERICIUS You will NEVER get 4K60FPS with our without raytracing if the developers CHOOSES not to implement it. Framerate is not a hardware problem. It is a CHOICE of the developers. Always! Because even with a PC and a 4090 a developer could use so extensive graphics, details, bad programming skills that 60FPS could not be possible. So, yes, fast hardware is necessary but not enough if the developers chooses not to go for 60FPS. Nevertheless a Pro version of the PS5 is always a good thing, especially for VR
Re: Cosmonious High (PSVR2) - Job Simulator Devs Return with a Vibrant, Playful Sandbox
I always have problems with game you can't play seated because after 30 minutes I want to sit down. Ok with rhytm games for a quick game but not ok with titles you want to play for a longer period of time.
Re: PSVR2 Version Confirmed for Lemmings-Like Puzzler Tin Hearts
These kind of games look stunning in VR. I will definitely check this one out.
Re: Poll: What Review Score Would You Give A Plague Tale: Requiem?
Won't buy it until a performance mode is implemented. Even if the resolution and the level of detail is worse. If I look around with the right stick and that isn't smooth it simply kills the immersion.
Re: It's Happening! PSVR2 Games Can Now Be Wishlisted on PS Store
My bigger concern is not to miss to preorder the hardware of PSVR2 day 1. I hope it's not like on PS5 lauch day. I had a 5 minute window at 2 o'clock in the morning to order one.
Re: Reaction: We Need to Talk About PS Plus Premium
I bought so ridiculous many games the last couple of years for the playstation that there're hardly any games available on playstation extra or premium that I didn't already buy. So I stick to essential for the foreseeable future.
Re: PS Plus Deal Devastates Oddworld: Soulstorm Developer
I downloaded the free PS Plus version, played it for 10 minutes and didn't play it every since. I would never have bought it. It's just not fun to play in my opinion. Technically brilliant but the gameplay is just not mine.
Re: Elden Ring IP to Expand 'Beyond the Realm of Games'
The only thing interesting for me would be DLC's and sequels. I'm not interested in the story and the characters outside of the game at all. Game developers often think that their story is good. 99% it simply isn't. The story of most games hardly have the depth of a B-movie to be honest. And the character models in Elden Ring are perfect for a game but not for a movie, comic or whatever. At least not for the majority of gamers, only for hard core fanboys.
Re: Is GTA 5 on PS5 a Free Upgrade for PS4 Players? Probably Not
I bought it on PS3, PS4 and even on a steam-sale. I would only use it for single player as I hate the toxic kiddy community of GTA. 5-10€ would be the maximum I'd pay.
Re: Horizon Forbidden West PS5, PS4 Graphics Modes Analysed by Digital Foundry
@Fiendish-Beaver The difference between 60FPS and 30FPS is crucial. In games like Horizon you see it immediately if you move the camera with your right stick. It is very smooth. If you are ok with 30FPS then NEVER play it with 60FPS as you cannot go back - in platformers it is even more important as the whole jumping is much more fluent and feels natural.
Re: Horizon Forbidden West PS5, PS4 Graphics Modes Analysed by Digital Foundry
@munstre You are absolutely correct. Some people simply don't understand the 3 basics in game programming: There are three factors: Resolution, Frame-Rate and Picture Quality. If one reaches the maximum of the hardware possibilities, one or two of the others have to be lowered.
Even the NES back in the 80s had a lot of 60FPS games but the resolution and the picture quality was poor. So if a game wants to show you the absolute maximum picture quality even a 3000€ gaming PC might not run it in 60FPS or 4k. But on PC not the developer decides, the user does. Because every PC is different. Some users go for 20FPS with super picture quality, others want 120FPS with very poor picture quality. On consoles the developer has to decide (or gives 2-3 options like performance mode).
But I can't stand if somebody says "the console cannot run the game in 60FPS". Of course it can. But if the developers doesn't give you the choice it's their fault, not the consoles.
And for the price of the system, the hardware is crazy capable in my opinion.
Re: This Is Elden Ring's Character Creator, Apparently
As you cannot actually see your characters face 90% of the time it is not THAT important. I hope the multiplayer characters are not covered in paint like in the other from software games.
Re: CDPR Still Confident It Can Turn Cyberpunk 2077 Around
Typical PC developers. Make a game that hardly runs on current hardware and tell the customers to invest LOTS OF MONEY in new PC hardware or wait for a new console generation. Optimizing a game? Oh, that's a lot of work. Good developrs do that but it's very time consuming and difficult.
Re: EA Sports Still at Risk of Losing the FIFA Name as 'Bitter Dispute' Rages On
Another example of the perversion of "modern" football. Money, money, money. Paid by the mostly not so wealthy fans. Just stupid.
Re: PS5 Firmware Update to Fix Annoying Operating System Oversights
I miss folders the most! I have hundrets of smaller games on my ext drive and it is annoying without folders.
Re: Poll: What Review Score Would You Give Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart?
@RBMango A six in my opinion is not ok because a test score is not a matter of if a person/reviewer likes the game or not but you have to consider the technical quality, the gameplay, the artstyle, etc...so everything under an 8 is like saying the godfather 2 is an average movie. You might not like it but as a reviewer you have to admit it's a great one.
Re: Poll: What Review Score Would You Give Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart?
From a technical standpoint it's a clear 10/10. For me the gameplay and fun is also a 10 but I'm a Ratched fan since the remakes on PS3.
Re: Beware This Trophy in PS5 Stunner Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart
I don't like too easy platinums. It should be a small challenge to get it. Increases the replayability.
Re: Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart (PS5) - Intergalactic Stunner Puts PS5's Power on Display
@Daveuppercut Well, you'll just miss one of the most fun games available on the system.
Re: Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart (PS5) - Intergalactic Stunner Puts PS5's Power on Display
Damn. As a Ratchet and Clank Fan I hated to read "short" and "easy". That was exactly my biggest fear esp. for 80 Euros. But of course I'll buy it and try to play it slowly.
Re: Capcom Arcade Stadium (PS4) - Capcom-asters of 32 Arcade Games from 1984 to 2001
I didn't buy it because of the horrible trophy list. It is a huge missed opportunity to motivate players to dig deep into the games. The trophy list is ridiculous.
Re: Technical Issues Restrict Biomutant to Just 1080p, 60fps on PS5
Let's be honest. 4k to 2k is not THAT big of an improvement. A fluent 2k game is way better than a non fluent 4k one and while playing you hardly notice a difference unless you sit 1m in front of a 65 inch TV.
Re: Returnal Update 1.3.7 Arrives on PS5 Today, Here Are the Patch Notes
I haven't even killed the first boss yet - after playing for 7 hours now. I like the game but hate myself for being so bad. My problem: When I face the boss I had no health item and no astronaut. I HAVE to have both next time.
Re: The Last of Us 2 PS5 Patch Out Now, Adds 60FPS Option
I waited for this patch! I did not play it AT ALL because I knew it would come.
Re: Days Gone Director on Skipped Sequel: 'If You Love a Game, Buy It at F***ing Full Price'
Sorry, I learned my lesson: A lot of games are buggy at start. If you wait for 6 month they are patched and much cheaper. And the new price for PS5 games like 80 Euros is a no go for me. I will even buy less games in the first week after release.
Re: Mini Review: Can't Drive This (PS5) - Chaotic Fun That Ends Too Quickly
Two problems here: Way too expensive for a short game like this and no crossbuy PS4/PS5. Sorry, I wait for a sale.
Re: A Hat in Time Doffs Its Cap at 60 Frames-Per-Second PS5 Update
@crimsontadpoles Well, I only read the article because of the 60FPS patch.
Re: Next-Gen PSVR Controllers Revealed, Includes Haptic Feedback and Adaptive Triggers
I am soooo looking forward to this. Can't wait for a new generation.
Re: Talking Point: What Are Your Expectations for PSVR 2 on PS5?
There is not ONE aswer. Tracking and controllers are a MUST. Field of view etc. is very nice, too.
Re: Doom 3: VR Edition Reimagines the 2004 FPS Classic in Virtual Reality
If it supports the maximum headset resolution on PS5 I will buy it. I still love PSVR because it just doen't make my head and neck hurt like the other headset I own: The Quest 2. Yes, I love to play Half Life Alyx streaming wireless to the quest but it is so heavy and uncomfortable that I still prefer the PSVR, even in 2011. Can't wait for PSVR 2.
Re: Sony Confirms Next Generation PlayStation VR Is in the Works for PS5
Can't wait for it!
Re: Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart Is Another £70 / $70 PS5 Game from Sony
Makes people more and more wait for a sale. I am a Ratchet and clank fanboy so I might buy this one but 90% of the time I wait for sales.
Re: The Last of Us 2 Surpasses The Witcher 3 as the Most Awarded Game in History
I am still waiting for a 60FPS patch for PS5 backwards comp. mode. I might me the last one who actually bought the game and did not yet play it.
Re: PS5 Exclusive Returnal Will, Unsurprisingly, Have Near Instant Respawns
I loved every housemarque game but 80 Euros for a roguelite is a hard sell for me. If the reviews won't say BUY ME I might wait for a sale.
Re: Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order Gets PS5 Patch, Adds 60FPS Support
So my pile of shame backlog is not so bad after all. Now I can finally play this game in glorious 60FPS
Re: Sony Exploring Ways to Store PS5 Games on External SSD
@stu123 I ordered a series x, too. But I'll hardly use it. Only bought it because I'm a tech nerd and want to own every single console. Sony will of course patch this.
Re: Sony Exploring Ways to Store PS5 Games on External SSD
As a person with 4GB of HDD on my PS4 and a LOT of games I will have some problems in the future with the small SSD. Big compatible SSDs will be quite expensive. I want my collection within reach and not deinstall and redownload games again and again. So at least to park them on and external drive would help.