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@MrMagic Go to bed babe.

@LifeGirl Do you genuinely think that Microsoft has ever cared about what box is under your TV?

Or do they care about what software you can ONLY access via them?

@HonestHick I know you're just copying me now. 🤣

PlayStation Fans: Xbox has no games!

Also PlayStation Fans: Can we please have more Xbox games!

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@MrMagic How crazy do I have to be??? 🤣

Games are heading exactly where music and films went. Streaming and/or downloading.

I have said, many times before, that hardware will be irrelevant when apps/subscriptions are the norm.

Why buy a game when you can stream it? I'm not saying I like that future but it's already happening.

Why buy a £600 console if you can download an app to give you the same games.

PlayStation will only be an app in the future. Xbox will be an app. Capcom will be an app. You'll be able to subscribe and play the games you want to play on a fairly standard hard drive.

And with Microsoft buying up the most profitable games on the planet, they will beat Sony. The Xbox brand will mean every game and studio they own rather than a box under your TV.

Nintendo on the other hand may continue doing things their own way.

@colonelkilgore Microsoft will continue to make billions in software. PlayStation owners are now going to make up a huge part of that.

I don't understand why care about consoles under a TV?

@themightyant I recognise that the Switch has had, by far, the best library of any console over the last 7 years. If not ever.

On the other hand, if I pay £500+ for a console that promises next gen, I expect it to deliver. Neither Xbox nor PlayStation have delivered on their promises.

Switch has delivered on its promise.

How is that difficult to understand?

Xbox haven't cared about hardware for many, many years. I'm fairly sure Microsoft are going to outsource Xbox hardware next gen to other manufacturers in the same way that Windows laptops/PCs are made.

Microsoft will continue selling software to anyone who will buy it and make billions from PlayStation gamers.

I really don't understand how any PlayStation fans consider selling more hardware a success in this day and age.

Where are all my Dell fans at??? HP for the win!!! Nobody does this with PCs and it's mental that console wars are still going strong years after I left the playground.

@gaston Only two of those games are first party so I'll, sadly, stand by my arguement. The fact that you're trying to say otherwise suggests that you haven't spent £530 on one like I have.

@themightyant I'll agree that faster load times are better. I'll agree that improved frame rates and higher fidelity are better.

But are the games? I don't think they are. Especially not for spending the best part of half a grand.

And most of the 'next gen' games you listed could have been achieved on PS4 Pro and especially Xbox One X, with little to no compromise.

I've constantly been bitterly disappointed by everything so far this gen of PlayStation and Xbox. My Switch is my most used console followed by my Quest 3. Not because of anything other than the fact the games are fun to play and (in the case of Quest) hassle free.

I love VR. I have tons of games for my PSVR and PSVR2. But Sony really need to start bringing out more exclusive first party games or my money will be spent in the Meta store for my Quest 3.

@Max_the_German The PSVR2 screens may be better but the lenses definitely aren't. I have both and the sweet spot on Quest 3 is basically anywhere.

There are pros and cons for both but being able to play without constantly adjusting my headset is a major plus for me.

@ChrisDeku I get your point but I do think that people who bought a PS5 for next gen gaming are questioning their purchase due to the lack of games they couldn't have possibly had on PS4.

That's been the biggest thing for me. This gen has been incredibly dull in my opinion. And the way Sony have abandoned the PSVR2 so far has definitely given me buyer's remorse.

I've said in previous posts that I've unboxed my PS3 and am having an amazing time with it. I even bought another system in case mine dies on me.

Here's hoping for a good show though.

@naruball Me too. Even some VR1 ports would cheer me up at this point.

Thinking about it now, I would have liked if the remakes/new games each had a subtitle in the name with no number.

RE: Train Pain
RE: Spooky Mansion
RE: Cop Shop
RE: Racoon City
RE: Code Veronica
RE: Spanish Cult
RE: African Apocalypse
RE: QTE Terror
RE: Redneck Rampage
RE: Village

These aren't perfect but I like them more than numbers.

@CielloArc Or, the people who have Game Pass can buy the game with 20% off.

@ThorsHammer I think you mean $70billion and it's not a debt if you have the money in the bank.

@Nexozi Agreed. The people yet to upgrade from PS4/Xbox One are all potential Series X|S owners and I suppose something like this could get them to either stick or switch.

It's good to see it on Game Pass but I don't think this will affect things much one way or another. It might do if Microsoft ever advertised the thing!

People who already own a PS5 are massively unlikely to buy an Xbox just to get CoD on Game Pass.

I'm more intrigued by the next gen rumours of multiple hardware partners making Xbox consoles in the same way that it happens with PC/laptops. That could really shake things up if they succeeded where 3DO/Sega Saturn failed.

I'm really hoping this is true. I played both of these to death on GameCube.

I still have my fingers crossed for a Dead Souls remaster/remake at some point soon. Even a straight port would be fine for me as the PS3 version still holds up today.

@The_Wailing_Doom Every single studio under Sony has been bought. When they launched the PlayStation there were no internal developers because Sony didn't make games. They bought them. And they've closed a lot of them. A LOT of them.

Microsoft were making video games in the early eighties. What have they done since that has been anti-consumer when it comes to PlayStation gamers???

@Ergoshotz The days of consoles are over. Next gen will be the last. Xbox have been saying this for years. Sony still want to sell you a box under your TV. Microsoft will be earning billions from PlayStation and yet you see it as a win for Sony because they'll have more boxes under the TV. Very odd logic. And when it comes to hardware and software, Nintendo will continue to obliterate both when it comes to sales numbers and profitability.

@The_Wailing_Doom And what do Sony do? More Xbox owned franchises are on PlayStation than the other way round. People act like Phil is evil and Sony are some kind of benevolent not for profit that only does the best for the industry.

@The_Wailing_Doom Sorry. What games have Xbox taken away from PlayStation players?

All of the other recent Doom games have been multiplatform. I don't understand how this is news. Years ago, Xbox said that they wouldn't take games away from players who were already part of a certain community or fan base. The fact that the new Doom will be on PS5 is an absolute given. It always was.

I adored the first one on 3DS. Yes the graphics will be better for this release but not worth me replaying.

All the best for everyone who hasn't played it though.

Those Switch sales numbers are crazy for a console released in 2017.

Under promise, over deliver Neil. 😂

I'll have my fingers crossed for something good though as Uncharted is still my absolute favourite series ever.

On a slightly separate note (but something that I think could do the things claimed here), imagine a game with the scope, polish, narrative and yet freedom of the best GTA/RDR games combined with a Sci-Fi setting.

Basically what I'm asking for is R* to make a Rick and Morty game.

There are lots of people here already saying they have no interest in the game and turning their noses up at it, who will be cheering loudly and saying "Day 1 for me!" if ever gets announced for PS5. 😂

@Netret0120 Well surely that would be better for you then? As you said, you wouldn't need to buy a PS5 at all. You as a gamer and consumer would benefit massively.

It almost sounds as if you want Sony to force you to buy a PS5.

The fact that R* was selling copies of the game including currency for cheaper than you could buy currency in game means there's a really weird economy with GTA V.

People were buying copies just to get virtual money then presumably selling their selling/trading in their copies to get more new copies and more currency. Very strange.

@Netret0120 Why would it bother you if a game launched day one on PC?

The PS5 is definitely the most underwhelming PlayStation I've ever owned. I boxed away my PS4 Pro when I got my PS5 around a year after launch and apart from PSVR2, there's pretty much no reason for me to own one.

I've even recently set my PS3 up again in my living room because it's more fun to play. I recently bought Puppeteer and have had way more fun with that than anything on PS5.

@Artois2 Exactly this! Why couldn't they have just had an amicable separation? I know there's probably a million business reasons why it went the way it did, but to just completely bin talented Devs with a well respected back catalogue just seems like utter madness.

@NEStalgia But surely if the games keep selling millions, the user base is there?

@Martijn87 I don't think Nintendo has suffered the post pandemic knock back in the same way that Sony and Microsoft have. The Switch sold amazingly during the pandemic and releases like Animal Crossing just added to that. Nintendo's first party titles continue to sell ridiculous numbers despite being over 7 years old in some cases.

"After a transition period during the PS4 generation, the PS5 model has shifted to where playtime on platform has increased due to expansion of the user community beyond console generations."

In other words, you couldn't really make anything that compelling to show the big generational leap so you decided to push all the games onto PS4 as well so you'd make more money despite hampering the ability to show off what the PS5 can actually do.

I'm torn. I already own this on Xbox but part of me wants to make a protest purchase to highlight how stupid the decision to shut Tango is.

But then I'd be giving Microsoft more money.

But I also like having physical games.

@LN78 This!!! My PS3 is happily getting a 2nd lease of life thanks to this generation being so dull.

It's underpowered and overpriced.

It's only a handheld in the sense that you can hold it in your hands. 😂

@Maubari TBF, Xbox have been saying for years that selling hardware is irrelevant. And I'm fairly sure that the ABK deal they agreed with Sony only stipulated that Call of Duty had to be like for like on PlayStation hardware and Xbox hardware. If there's no Xbox hardware, then the game doesn't have to go to PlayStation hardware at all.

Either way, things are definitely not going well for the industry.

Apart from, as you said, Nintendo. They have their own corner of the market that they're very comfortable in.

Bespoke hardware that they sell for a profit. Hardware that sells millions upon millions.

First party titles that also sell millions upon millions (without costing hundreds of millions to make).

A gradually improving online offering (still very poor compared to Xbox and PS).

And a back catalogue of IP that's the envy of the entire industry.

I think Nintendo going their own way doesn't always work but right now they're incredibly strong.

I really do get the feeling that we're on the cusp of a video game industry crash.

It's slightly similar to what Xbox did after the ABK acquisition. Sarah Bond focussing on hardware and Matt Booty focussing on studios. That's been working out great so far! 🙂

And before anyone says it, I realise they both report to Phil Spencer.

@QiaraIris Oscar??? 😂

I've always really disliked the main character sprite. He just annoys me for some reason.

This is how it always should have been.