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@SlipperyFish I don't know mate. 😂 Let's stop arguing over things that really don't matter. I'm sorry. Life is far, far too short.

I wish you, and everyone you love all the best for life and everything you all do. ❤️

@SlipperyFish So to cut a long story short, you'll be a Nintendo gamer from now. Well done mate.

@SlipperyFish This is what was promised at the beginning of this generation of consoles. Sony are now asking us PS5 owners to pay an incredible amount more for such a little increase and things the Xbox was already doing.

Do you think the PS5 Pro is worth it?

@SlipperyFish Wow, I didn't know that. It's now definitely worth £700/$700!

@SlipperyFish Well thank you for telling me about all of those new PS5 Pro releases. I've seen none. I've seen (mostly) PS4 games being upscaled.

Forget the price for a second. The Pro isn't actually an impressive upgrade at all. Cerny telling me to look at the pixel detail in a fixed screenshot of a moving game that I've already played and enjoyed 4 years ago ISN'T IMPRESSIVE!

Imagine if Nintendo had 4 years to improve the pixel density in Super Mario World on the SNES Pro. What an incredible game it would have been rather than the trash they actually gave us! 😂

@SlipperyFish Xbox has been upscaling for years without developer support.

@SlipperyFish FPS boost on Xbox Series has done things to Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox One games that PS5 Pro is now championing. Resolution and frame rates have been improved.

Let alone the fact that those games are natively playable on Xbox.

What a lovely waste of plastic and carbon. Day One!

@Northern_munkey Thanks for agreeing! 😉 This generation is, and will forever be known as an expensive letdown.

Hopefully Xbox Six and PS6 will actually impress us all.

@SlipperyFish It's 1440p at 120fps on Series S.

The reason I mentioned Xbox is because we're talking about the PS5 Pro and if it offers good value at £700. Many of the features Sony are charging for, have been free on Xbox for a long time.

@SlipperyFish Hence why Xbox have been doing this for years. You can play Gears of War at 120fps on Series S.

@The_Wailing_Doom The Xbox you're talking about is designed to be a limited edition. It's not proclaiming to be a boost nor taking the place of the standard model.

And the storage isn't slow at all. I don't know if you've actually used both systems but installing, transferring, loading are all faster on Xbox for multiplatform games.

The base PS5 hasn't even been slightly pushed so far IMO. And if tech experts tell me that it has actually been maxed out, then it seems to be one of the most half-arsed and underwhelming consoles ever.

@PloverNutter So do you think that the PS5 has been pushed to its limits already by Sony?

TBF I don't think it's just a case of the price. It's a combination of price + negligible upgrade + no games.

The fact that there were last gen games being used to show off the power of this thing is laughable.

The fact that there were no such modes (as far as I'm aware) during the PS3/XB360 generation show the regression the industry has been making.

Devs are no longer required to squeeze the absolute best they can out of hardware and find the optimal level. Just throw a few sliders in and then ask Sony for new hardware.

The fact that Cerny said that a huge driving force behind PS5 Pro was developers asking for more power, backs this up.

The modular approach is an absolutely fantastic piece of design. The only people buying this right now though will be scalpers.

Xbox is to blame for Sony overpricing the PS5 Pro? 🤣🤣🤣

@InsaneWade Fun fact: I have a degree in English language so I don't need your Googled definition of they/them.

@naruball And everyone is entitled to like or dislike those things you mentioned and voice their opinions.

@Markatron84 Why do games need to include pronouns? And why are people who dislike pronouns being forced upon them "garbage"? Surely their opinion is just as valid?

The controller is a thing of beauty though. Way better than the Astro Bot one IMO.

@EddieGallad What??? Where on Earth has this take come from???

I think you should read the room a little more because there doesn't seem to be a single PlayStation fan who was desperate for this game to exist let alone release.

Nobody in their right mind wanted Sony to invest c£300million or 8 years into this.

How you've come to the conclusion that the catastrophic failure of this game has anything to do with Xbox fans is quite frankly laughable.

I'm hoping for your sake this is satire.

I think a far better way to build an audience for a multiplayer only game is to use an existing IP and making a spin off. The way that The Last of Us planned to be.

Otherwise, it's like trying to catch lightning in a bottle.

Wow. 8 years to make to last 2 weeks on the market. 😮

They're talking now. Bye bye Concord.

It's lasted longer than Concord then! 😂

This generation has ***** gamers from day ***** dot. Massive cash input, ***** all return.

Another nail in the coffin. This generation of consoles is the least exciting, most expensive ***** show I've ever been unfortunate enough to have bought into.

It really needs a PS5 Pro or something.

Literally nobody cares.

Why do so many people here seem to think that no consoles means streaming???

The future is a PC in a box under your TV made by existing PC hardware manufacturers like Asus etc. They will have access to the PS Store, Steam, Xbox store and Nintendo store and you can BUY and download whatever you want.

@UltimateOtaku91 No bespoke consoles doesn't always mean streaming only.

Consoles will be gone after next gen. I don't think there will be a PS7. Consoles themselves stopped being interesting after the PS3/360 generation because they used off the shelf parts and were basically the same thing no matter which you bought.

SNES vs Mega Drive
PS vs Saturn vs N64
PS2 vs Xbox vs GameCube vs Dreamcast
PS3 vs Xbox 360 vs Wii

Those generations were fascinating and great times to be a gamer if you had multiple systems because every one of them offered something truly different and had incredible exclusives.

I think it's fairly obvious that it will use the same cover plates and disc drive attachment as the slim. It's just slightly longer with the extra stripes in the middle.

@HonestHick Impeccably said my friend.

@HonestHick You're always a sound measure of judgement when it comes to console bias.

I hope that Sony rethink the PS5 Pro (but they won't)

I hope that Nintendo doesn't go crazy with it's pricing of Switch 2. (£499 is what I've heard)

I hope that Xbox make a truly Windows Xbox console (including games from Steam, PlayStation, Xbox, Epic etc.)

Anyway, let's see what happens.

@HonestHick Once again I appreciate your comments back. It doesn't always play well on this site to have an original opinion!

You're a great person to read too and your posts resonate with me and the way the industry is.

We'll get there eventually!

It really does make me laugh how lots of people here will be complaining about a PC port.

This looks great and I loved Rescue Mission but I can't help feeling that this is getting over hyped like so many Sony exclusives do.

If it was around San Andreas times then there's no need for it to be mapped to match Tokyo at all.

I also think that they need to vary the GTA locations. America has worn a little thin at this point.

@ColdHandGee My PS3 is my main system again. Such a great lineup of games, graphics that still hold up today and a real sense of fun compared to PS5.

I just wish that the DualShock 4 worked flawlessly with it.

@Jacko11 Sony isn't producing live service games to fund single player games! 😂 Sony is producing live service games to make money for their shareholders. Sony would drop single player games in a heartbeat if they had multiple live service money spinners.

I'm probably one of the few people who owns an Xbox and thinks this should have always been multiplatform. But then I also think that Blade, Spider-Man and Wolverine should also be. IPs like these should never be tied to one place. They're pieces of art that deserve to be played by everyone.

Imagine if Batman was only on one system. ☹️

I don't often care about 30 vs 60 FPS. I don't play online shooters where I can (possibly) justify people getting annoyed.

But the fact that this is even a conversation in 2024 is another example of why this generation has been one of the most disappointing I've ever experienced. SSD speed has been the only jump that has been made. Sony originally putting an 8K label on PS5 boxes still makes me laugh.

I also think that devs no longer try to optimise or maximise the hardware in front of them. Some of the best and most impressive PS3 games came out towards the end of the system's life because the creators had to work hard to get better results.

Developers can't wait for the PS5 Pro because they'll continue to get away with not trying at all.