__jamiie

The last time that any of us completely owned a game we bought physically was the Dreamcast/PS2/Xbox/GameCube generation.

Ever since then, we've had games requiring updates, patches and optional DLC.

This will definitely be the last gen where I buy any physical games but mainly because of space in my house.

Pros - Looks outrageously good.

Console - Outdated motion capture.
Very inconsistent frame rate.

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It's still a completely pointless piece of hardware from Sony. Every game released for the PS5 will need to be playable on the base model. And guess what, they will play absolutely brilliantly.

But for £700 they will be ever so slightly more shiny. 😮

@Artois2 People are allowed to slag it off if they don't see any discernable benefit. This article is telling people how brilliant it is so a counterpoint is completely justified.

I mean, I'm delighted that Gimme More is there BUT, no Stronger. Bad choice.

@Enuo Stronger isn't there. ☹️ I'm gutted for you and me.

The DualSense stick are just as drifty.

If this happens it will be interesting to see how this would affect the Activision cloud gaming rights that Xbox recently sold to Ubisoft. I can't see Microsoft wanting Tencent to have any part of their franchises.

Sony, if you're going to do more "remasters", how about a game or series that's older than PS4? Something where there will be a genuine reason to upgrade.

Motorstorm 1, 2 and 3
Resistance 1, 2 and 3
Killzone 1, 2 and 3
God of War 1, 2, Ascension and Origins
Infamous
Ratchet and Clank Collection
Sly Collection
Heavenly Sword (although I'm not sure who owns the IP with Ninja Theory being part of Xbox)

I would happily pay a decent price for any of these.

I'm A Slave 4 Beat Saber.

Because games sell more copies on PlayStation. Surely they must know that already???

@LavenderShroud But nobody needs one. This is a luxury purchase that no-one has to have straight away. The people buying from the scalpers are the problem because they've created the market.

If they don't buy them then scalping goes away.

I don't really get the enormous hate that scalpers receive.

I'd actually argue that Square Enix (and their previous incarnations) are more closely tied to Nintendo than Sony.

They made games pretty much exclusively for Nintendo from 1985 - 1996, then pretty much exclusively for PlayStation from 1996 - 2002.

Ever since then they've been focussed on pretty much any platform available and their output this gen has been heavily slanted towards Switch.

@topher6490 I just wanted to point out the pathetic nature of your fanboy comment. I don't care whether you're bothered.

Send me your PSN name and I'll take a look at the games you've played and when.

@topher6490 Actually, I'm going to call this out as a blatant lie. You didn't decide to buy these games because of cameos in Astro Bot.

This is blindingly obvious. What worries me is the standard is sets regarding the price of the PS6.

If the Pro sells even remotely well then there's no way that the PS6 will cost less than £700 at launch.

@topher6490 You bought those games because of Astro Bot? Really??

It's also hilarious how quickly this story disappeared from the list of articles on this site.

It's a remaster that nobody needed or wanted.

The total amount of money Sony would have made with the original price and upgrade price on top was already more than this pointless thing was worth.

This is just another shining example of Sony shafting people.

@Yagami 'Whether they are right or not'? So they shouldn't be able to protect their IP? What a stupid comment.

What an absolutely pointless waste of time and energy.

It was a poor showing for me. A pointless remaster and some third party games.

I also find it funny that the Horizon remake is now being applauded because it only costs £10. It shouldn't even exist!

The way this gen is going, it wouldn't surprise me if Sony scalped their own system and then sold them on for £10k a piece.

@BamBamBaklava89 By account activity, do you mean hours played/length of time an account has open. That could possibly work.

I wouldn't want to see things go down the platinum route though. I never chased platinums in my life yet I've owned every PlayStation system since the beginning.

This is such a weird gen. A ridiculous procession of overpriced hardware and a perceived lack of worthwhile games since day one.

@nomither6 It had 6 main face buttons (as did the Mega Drive and Saturn) and 2 shoulder buttons (as did the SNES and Saturn). The 3 prongs I'll slightly agree with, but that was purely to help 'teach' people to focus on using the analogue stick properly. I genuinely saw people at the time holding the pad by both sides and then try to stretch their thumb across to reach it.

@nomither6 Because it made analogue controls a standard or because it introduced rumble? Things which every system since has used.

@nomither6 What was the N64's gimmick?

It amazing how Nintendo created a market that others (again) seem to be destined to follow.

It's also funny how many people here seem to be loving the idea of a dockable/hybrid piece of hardware.

@PuppetMaster Astro Bot hasn't sold well but I get what you mean.

This is what Nintendo has been doing so well for years. They don't make games costing hundreds of millions and can therefore crank out a high volume of well made games. The fact that most of these end up selling millions of units means that the profit margins are astronomical.

And when you talk about gaming revenue rather than systems sold, Xbox wins by a huge margin.

The PS2 sold an absolute truckload because it was one of the least reliable consoles ever to exist and plenty of people bought more than one.

@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare Xbox Series S can play Gears of War at 120fps.

Has PlayStation forgotten its a Japanese company? Yes.

Has PlayStation forgotten its a software company? Yes.

Buy more PlayStation hardware! Dual this. Dual that. Pro this. Stand that. Extra disc. Extra that.

This generation, Sony have been getting away with the biggest grift since time began! Absolute snake oil.

XBOX has made a **** load of older games compatible, faster, higher resolution and at better frame rates.

Nintendo has made games that weren't available on current hardware playable again on Switch.

PlayStation are remaking games we can already play.

As a PS5 owner, I'm confused. Am I missing something? I'm not seeing anything that suggests even the slightest GIANT LEAP that some people are claiming.

Do I have **** in my eyes or something???

More hardware. 😭 As pretty as these are, I'll save my money for the remaster of HZD and (hopefully) Knack.

I still think that the safe-ish way of making a successful live service game is to utilise an already strong games brand. The way that The Last of Us Online had planned to be.

Of course they should protect their IP and patents. I'm just surprised the lawsuit hasn't happened sooner.

Virtually every review I read used the phrase 'Pokémon with guns' at some point.

This getting to be a joke now. Why are resources being used to remaster games like this??

This whole debate about buying a PC over a PS5 Pro is ridiculous to me.

Sony have shown that the PS5 Pro is an absolutely pointless purchase based on the price and actual improvements made. Forget about PCs and the cost to build one, it's not worth £700.

With everything soon to become digital, there's even less reason for bespoke hardware apart from controllers.

A semi upgradable PC in a box that can access the PS store and pair with a DualSense will be the future.

Sony are surely desperate to get out of the console hardware business at this point.

I am so sick of developers making games that don't actually play to the strengths of the hardware that millions of players have bought. Nowadays it's kind of "Here's the game we could do if you hadn't bought the crappy hardware available to you."

How about you stop worrying about what you can do, and worry about what most people will be able to play???

PSVR2 ruined Rez for me in non VR. I can't imagine playing C-Smash for long without VR.

@__jamiie I mean 80 pence in case anyone was confused. Although seeing a game run at 80p resolution would be incredible. 😂

The Crew 2 currently at 80p is an absolute no brainer. Fantastic support from Ubisoft for both games btw. Other publisher's take note.

As much as I enjoy them though, the Forza Horizon games are in a league of their own when it comes to open world racing.

Sony may still be a Japanese company but I don't really consider the PlayStation brand to be so anymore.

Also, I'm not convinced by Astro Bot myself. I love Rescue Mission on PSVR but this one is dull IMO. It offers very little invention and is pitifully short. I genuinely have no idea why people are comparing its quality to a Mario game.

@ChrisDeku Fair enough. I'm going to stick with mine too.

@ChrisDeku Okay, you've blinded me with science.

So do you think the PS5 Pro is worth it or should I just wait for a PS6/XBOX SIX?

@SlipperyFish Me too my friend. I'm here to debate things but I sometimes annoy people enough to get me banned for a bit. I'm not a horrible person though and I'm sure you're not either.