Scalpers aren't the problem. Sony created the scalper market and the people buying are feeding it.
If they were readily available, no scalping.
If people didn't buy them, no scalping.
If it was food or water I could understand the moral indignation. But someone buying a non-essential, luxury item and then selling it for a huge profit shouldn't cause anyone sleepless nights.
I've reached the point now where my Quest 3 is my main VR platform and I'll only buy games for PSVR2 if they're exclusives. The user experience for Quest 3 is just so much better.
@StopBeingTribal You don't have to defend everything Sony do. 😂
There isn't a defense for what they've done and have actually made life more difficult for themselves by having extra SKUs to design, manufacture and ship.
It's either incredibly sneaky or absolutely incompetent.
For the record, I think the cover plate concept was an ingenious idea from the off as lots of people like to be able to customise their systems in some way. This move just makes no sense.
@StopBeingTribal The plates are exactly the same size. Sony has deliberately decided to make them incompatible by putting the clips in different places.
Terrible decision from Sony and something they could have easily fixed. I'm sure that the original post says the top plates are exactly the same size and that it's just the clips that are in different places.
Edit: The original post confirms that the plates are exactly the same size in every way. It's just the placement of the clips that are different.
This means that Sony deliberately decided to make them incompatible. Thanks once again Sony!!!
@CielloArc Thanks for telling me something. I genuinely appreciate your knowledge.
Do you think there ever be PS7? I don't think there will. I think that we'll have a PC in a box made by numerous companies including Asus. The same way we have laptops and handhelds made now.
Sony is multi-platform right now. Stop crying about it.
But going back to your original point, Microsoft have the best business model. They sell software and make billions from it. Including from Sony and PlayStation gamers. Hardware is going to be as obsolete as the mini disc, UMD etc.
@UltimateOtaku91 That's such a childish way to look at Helldivers 2. It's a live service game that will do better on as many platforms as it can physically be on.
@Loamy I completely agree. It was such a shrewd move for Atari to acquire them as they fit together so well.
Their remake of Turok 3 was particularly impressive considering the amount of lost code they had to deal with.
I'll pretty much support any of their projects at this point because, even if the original game wasn't the best, the love and care they put into things makes them worth a purchase.
@Loamy I just got PO'ed and Killing Time on Xbox and am loving them both. Just like most of the world, I never played the originals on 3DO but am so glad I get to play them now.
I think we're at a point in the industry where neither Sony or Microsoft know exactly what they're doing. The next few years will see some huge changes in the traditional console business model and they're both testing the waters with different strategies.
Does anyone really believe that Lego Horizon will be the last game Sony releases on a rival platform if it sells well???
@Americansamurai1 They won't be going third party in my opinion. I think the next gen of consoles will be the last and both Sony and Microsoft will move away from dedicated hardware. It will save them both huge R&D and manufacturing costs and I think we'll see third party manufacturers making generic hardware that can download and play games from the PS store and Xbox store. Pretty much like a set top PC or an ROG Ally without a screen.
@ted1317 Calm down. I was making a point completely valid and related to the article. Just because it mentioned Xbox and Nintendo, doesn't mean you need to get angry and upset.
They nailed it so well with the original that I was kind of jaded by the time the second one came out. Here's hoping Insomniac come back with something fresh for their next game.
This is why I love Game Pass. I have tried and bought so many indie and AA games that I never would given a chance previously.
It's also why Nintendo can take, comparatively, more risks with their IP. None of their games cost hundreds of millions to make and yet consistently sell millions of copies.
I love all of the comments gloating about how the PS5 and games is doing so much better in Japan than Xbox whilst completely ignoring that Nintendo is completely demolishing anything PlayStation do. 😂
On a separate note, these articles always mention that digital sales probably bump up the software sales quite a bit but I'm not sure it would be that much more.
Assuming a person buying their games digitally would be more likely to buy a digital only model, then it would only add another 16% in sales. Plus Japan still has a thriving physical market for consoles.
One of the reasons my Wii U is still hooked up is because of the number of Virtual Console games I have. Switch online is a very poor substitute for retro gaming.
@CrashBandicoat I'm genuinely sick of people acting like scalpers are the problem. If nobody bought from them, they wouldn't exist. The scalpees are the problem.
@NEStalgia I agree with you about Nintendo on certain points. I think the next system will either bomb or smash all records. As much as I adored Iwata San, I think that the "new" Nintendo is much more cautious when it comes to their core business. They won't be trying to change the world with their next system and it will be very much a continuation of an amazing formula.
These should be a lot cheaper in my opinion. Sony already made the sale for the machine the first time around and surely they want as many people as possible joining their ecosystem.
Well fingers crossed the PS5 Pro is able to get the new version up to 60fps. I can see the headlines now.
"Unnecessary Hardware Upgrade Achieves Greatness By Allowing Unnecessary Previous Gen Remake To Run As Smoothly As Previous Gen Version Does On Base Hardware."
@Nei But that's not what happened with the price of the PS4 Pro and the PS5 base model. This price went up considerably. And considering that people have been complaining for this whole generation that they're disappointed with the difference between this and last gen, I think these concerns are more than justified.
@Rich33 It's not really the same because the example you give is referring to the start of a new generation.
I agree with what @BrettAwesome is saying because if the Pro is successful in any way, then mid gen hardware will become the norm. It will also pretty much guarantee that the PS6 will be well in excess of the Pro's price tag - something I don't think any of us want.
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Re: In the UK, You Can't Buy a PS5 Pro Disc Drive without Paying a Premium
Scalpers aren't the problem. Sony created the scalper market and the people buying are feeding it.
If they were readily available, no scalping.
If people didn't buy them, no scalping.
If it was food or water I could understand the moral indignation. But someone buying a non-essential, luxury item and then selling it for a huge profit shouldn't cause anyone sleepless nights.
Re: Metro Awakening (PSVR2) - One of the Most Immersive VR Games Ever
I'm so glad this has turned out well. I'll probably get it on Quest though.
Re: New PSVR2 Games Release Dates in 2024
I've reached the point now where my Quest 3 is my main VR platform and I'll only buy games for PSVR2 if they're exclusives. The user experience for Quest 3 is just so much better.
Re: Crummy Classic Sports Games Compiled in Accolade Sports Collection on PS5, PS4
Barkley Shut Up and Jam! is one of the greatest games ever made.
Re: Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 (PS5) - The Strongest Return to FPS Form
It's a great game. So much money going to Xbox though!
Re: PS5 Pro Not Compatible with PS5 Slim Face Plates, Sony to Release New Covers for More Powerful Console
@StopBeingTribal What a very funny comment.
Re: PS5 Pro Not Compatible with PS5 Slim Face Plates, Sony to Release New Covers for More Powerful Console
@StopBeingTribal You don't have to defend everything Sony do. 😂
There isn't a defense for what they've done and have actually made life more difficult for themselves by having extra SKUs to design, manufacture and ship.
It's either incredibly sneaky or absolutely incompetent.
For the record, I think the cover plate concept was an ingenious idea from the off as lots of people like to be able to customise their systems in some way. This move just makes no sense.
Re: PS5 Pro Not Compatible with PS5 Slim Face Plates, Sony to Release New Covers for More Powerful Console
@StopBeingTribal The plates are exactly the same size. Sony has deliberately decided to make them incompatible by putting the clips in different places.
Re: PS5 Pro Not Compatible with PS5 Slim Face Plates, Sony to Release New Covers for More Powerful Console
@Drago201 The plates are exactly the same size. Sony has deliberately decided to make them incompatible by putting the clips in different places.
Re: PS5 Pro Is Not Compatible with PS5 Slim Face Plates
@nicc83 The Pro is longer. The plates are exactly the same size. As confirmed in the original post.
Re: PS5 Pro Is Not Compatible with PS5 Slim Face Plates
@get2sammyb The article is wrong. The plates are exactly the same size.
Re: PS5 Pro Is Not Compatible with PS5 Slim Face Plates
Terrible decision from Sony and something they could have easily fixed. I'm sure that the original post says the top plates are exactly the same size and that it's just the clips that are in different places.
Edit: The original post confirms that the plates are exactly the same size in every way. It's just the placement of the clips that are different.
This means that Sony deliberately decided to make them incompatible. Thanks once again Sony!!!
Re: Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered (PS5) - A Sublime Remaster of a Modern PlayStation Classic
Have they been able to use the power of the PS5 to enhance the dull story and bland gameplay?
Re: Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered (PS5) - A Sublime Remaster of a Modern PlayStation Classic
@Bez87 It's a bit like the South Park episode with George Lucas and Steven Spielberg. When will remastering ever be enough?
Re: Xbox Fans Really Want a Port of PS5, PC Hit Helldivers 2
@CielloArc Thanks for telling me something. I genuinely appreciate your knowledge.
Do you think there ever be PS7? I don't think there will. I think that we'll have a PC in a box made by numerous companies including Asus. The same way we have laptops and handhelds made now.
Sony is multi-platform right now. Stop crying about it.
But going back to your original point, Microsoft have the best business model. They sell software and make billions from it. Including from Sony and PlayStation gamers. Hardware is going to be as obsolete as the mini disc, UMD etc.
Re: Xbox Fans Really Want a Port of PS5, PC Hit Helldivers 2
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Re: Xbox Fans Really Want a Port of PS5, PC Hit Helldivers 2
@Frmknst What about them coming to PC and Switch already? Sony are already multi-platform.
And if you include MLB, they've made more games for Xbox than the other way round.
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Re: Xbox Fans Really Want a Port of PS5, PC Hit Helldivers 2
@UltimateOtaku91 That's such a childish way to look at Helldivers 2. It's a live service game that will do better on as many platforms as it can physically be on.
Re: The Thing Remastered Looks Like a Superb PS5, PS4 Retelling of an Underappreciated PS2 Classic
@Loamy I completely agree. It was such a shrewd move for Atari to acquire them as they fit together so well.
Their remake of Turok 3 was particularly impressive considering the amount of lost code they had to deal with.
I'll pretty much support any of their projects at this point because, even if the original game wasn't the best, the love and care they put into things makes them worth a purchase.
Re: The Thing Remastered Looks Like a Superb PS5, PS4 Retelling of an Underappreciated PS2 Classic
I really love Nightdive. Such a quality studio and they have a wonderful business model. Long may their remakes continue.
Re: The Thing Remastered Looks Like a Superb PS5, PS4 Retelling of an Underappreciated PS2 Classic
@Ryoth System Shock was a bit more than just a remake but not quite a full on remaster. Either way, I love the work that Nightdive do.
Re: The Thing Remastered Looks Like a Superb PS5, PS4 Retelling of an Underappreciated PS2 Classic
@Loamy I just got PO'ed and Killing Time on Xbox and am loving them both. Just like most of the world, I never played the originals on 3DO but am so glad I get to play them now.
Re: Microsoft CEO Says More Xbox Games Will Come to PS5, Hours After Rumours Said Porting Project Was Paused
I think we're at a point in the industry where neither Sony or Microsoft know exactly what they're doing. The next few years will see some huge changes in the traditional console business model and they're both testing the waters with different strategies.
Does anyone really believe that Lego Horizon will be the last game Sony releases on a rival platform if it sells well???
Re: Microsoft CEO Says More Xbox Games Will Come to PS5, Hours After Rumours Said Porting Project Was Paused
@Americansamurai1 They won't be going third party in my opinion. I think the next gen of consoles will be the last and both Sony and Microsoft will move away from dedicated hardware. It will save them both huge R&D and manufacturing costs and I think we'll see third party manufacturers making generic hardware that can download and play games from the PS store and Xbox store. Pretty much like a set top PC or an ROG Ally without a screen.
Re: Xbox Fans Really Want a Port of PS5, PC Hit Helldivers 2
I always think that live service games should be on as many platforms as physically possible.
Re: Mini Review: Vendetta Forever (PSVR2) - Exhilarating Puzzle Shooter Is Next VR Must Play
I know it's quite off topic, but, does anyone else think that Batman Arkham Shadow should be GOTY?
Not just VR. But actually the best game this year.
Re: Mini Review: Vendetta Forever (PSVR2) - Exhilarating Puzzle Shooter Is Next VR Must Play
Arkham Shadow has my attention for days if not weeks. This will follow.
Re: PS5, PS4 Fans Are Worried Cash Rewards Have Been Removed from PS Stars
My balance has completely disappeared. ☹️
Re: Minecraft's Native PS5 Port Is Now Available, Free Upgrade for PS4 Players
@Darkashura More money for Microsoft.
Re: Mini Review: Vendetta Forever (PSVR2) - Exhilarating Puzzle Shooter Is Next VR Must Play
I've been keeping an eye on this and am glad it lives up to the hype.
Now I just need to decide whether to get it on PSVR2 or Quest 3.
Re: Ex-PlayStation Exec Shawn Layden Says There's Been a 'Collapse' in Gaming Creativity
@ted1317 Calm down. I was making a point completely valid and related to the article. Just because it mentioned Xbox and Nintendo, doesn't mean you need to get angry and upset.
Re: LEGO Pitched the Brilliant LEGO Horizon Adventures to Sony
It's good to see Sony continuing their multiplatform strategy. Hopefully there will be many more to follow.
Re: PlayStation, Bungie Still Going Ahead with Internal Live Service Team
@Shepherd_Tallon The thing is, these people will be let go if these games fail.
Re: Like It or Not, This Is Why PS5 Pro Doesn't Have a Disc Drive
Convenience of not putting a disc in has overridden everything else.
Re: Spider-Man 2 Won't Receive Any PS5 Story DLC
They nailed it so well with the original that I was kind of jaded by the time the second one came out. Here's hoping Insomniac come back with something fresh for their next game.
Re: Spider-Man 2 Won't Receive Any PS5 Story DLC
@Dampsponge 😂😂😂
Re: Ex-PlayStation Exec Shawn Layden Says There's Been a 'Collapse' in Gaming Creativity
This is why I love Game Pass. I have tried and bought so many indie and AA games that I never would given a chance previously.
It's also why Nintendo can take, comparatively, more risks with their IP. None of their games cost hundreds of millions to make and yet consistently sell millions of copies.
Re: Japan Sales Charts: PS5 Software Actually Sells for Once
I love all of the comments gloating about how the PS5 and games is doing so much better in Japan than Xbox whilst completely ignoring that Nintendo is completely demolishing anything PlayStation do. 😂
On a separate note, these articles always mention that digital sales probably bump up the software sales quite a bit but I'm not sure it would be that much more.
Assuming a person buying their games digitally would be more likely to buy a digital only model, then it would only add another 16% in sales. Plus Japan still has a thriving physical market for consoles.
Re: Dino Crisis Fans Hoodwinked as Capcom's PS1 Classic Requires Premium, Lacks Trophies
Just let people buy things!!!
One of the reasons my Wii U is still hooked up is because of the number of Virtual Console games I have. Switch online is a very poor substitute for retro gaming.
Re: Publishing Director Calls Out Shameless Baldur's Gate 3 Collector's Edition Scalpers
@CrashBandicoat I'm genuinely sick of people acting like scalpers are the problem. If nobody bought from them, they wouldn't exist. The scalpees are the problem.
Re: Aug 2024 USA Sales: Console Sales Take a Sharp Decline, But PS5 Is Still King
@NEStalgia I really miss Iwata.
Re: Aug 2024 USA Sales: Console Sales Take a Sharp Decline, But PS5 Is Still King
@NEStalgia I agree with you about Nintendo on certain points. I think the next system will either bomb or smash all records. As much as I adored Iwata San, I think that the "new" Nintendo is much more cautious when it comes to their core business. They won't be trying to change the world with their next system and it will be very much a continuation of an amazing formula.
Re: Aug 2024 USA Sales: Console Sales Take a Sharp Decline, But PS5 Is Still King
@Jrs1 This really made me laugh!
Re: Sony Now Selling Refurbished PS5 Consoles
These should be a lot cheaper in my opinion. Sony already made the sale for the machine the first time around and surely they want as many people as possible joining their ecosystem.
Re: Fans Are Concerned Until Dawn PS4 Could Be Delisted Following PS5 Remake's Release
Well fingers crossed the PS5 Pro is able to get the new version up to 60fps. I can see the headlines now.
"Unnecessary Hardware Upgrade Achieves Greatness By Allowing Unnecessary Previous Gen Remake To Run As Smoothly As Previous Gen Version Does On Base Hardware."
Re: Random: Hideo Kojima's Chronic Back Pain Symptom of Carrying Video Game Industry, Fans Say
@Skeletor85 This is sarcasm surely? Please be sarcasm!
Re: Boy! God of War Ragnarok Will Be PS5 Pro Enhanced
@Nei But that's not what happened with the price of the PS4 Pro and the PS5 base model. This price went up considerably. And considering that people have been complaining for this whole generation that they're disappointed with the difference between this and last gen, I think these concerns are more than justified.
Re: Boy! God of War Ragnarok Will Be PS5 Pro Enhanced
@Rich33 It's not really the same because the example you give is referring to the start of a new generation.
I agree with what @BrettAwesome is saying because if the Pro is successful in any way, then mid gen hardware will become the norm. It will also pretty much guarantee that the PS6 will be well in excess of the Pro's price tag - something I don't think any of us want.