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This is one of the few things that genuinely annoys me about VG subscriptions. DLC shouldn't be a thing with subscriptions! Any game on a subscription service should have all DLC included!

This is tricky. I don't want to buy something that ends up being on PS+ premium.

@Ichiban I kind of agree, but I think that's more due to VG production being brutalized for at least 2 years due to CV rather than E3 as we know it going away.

@trev666 I'd like to think it'll have a classic mode and a more streamline, action-rpg mode

Great! I guess a sequel to GF1 would have been tricky. I'd be surprised if a 2024 game had an 8th gen release, though?

@nomither6 Last? Longest, maybe but why would it be the last? I do this everyone will heavily push subscriptions even more, next gen though.

@jrt87 I live in the UK and haven't seen a ps5 in stock, anywhere

@Futureshark This my favourite order of events, since I'm dreaming:
1. Re-release 8th/9th gen versions of Human Revolution directors cut and a new DC of Mankind Divided as a double pack with all DLC integrated.
2. Release one more Jensen game set a few years after MD to wrap up Jensen's story and set up Deus Ex 1.
3. Remake Deus Ex 1
4. Remake Invisible War (good ideas, flawed execution makes this IDEAL remake-fodder)
5. Make a sequel to IW that bookends the whole thing.

Wow. So I doubt I'm getting a PS5 until Xmas 2023 or even Xmas 2024. I may as well wait for the Slim. (Lord knows if these shortages will cause the PS5 slim to arrive sooner or later than the usual 3 years?)

@4kgk2 Why didn't Sony buy the western stuff? For that price, it was a bargain. Having TR especially as a FP franchise would have been apt.

I really loved Greedfall, an RPG right out of 2005 both in a good and bad (mostly good) way, so I'm excited for this. The weirdness (Steampunk?) makes me a bit hesitant, though. I'd have preferred the protagonist being a normal person, rather than a weird robot.

@Juanalf I'd guess the PS5 would have been out for around 6 years by the time Horizon 3 is released, so I'd be very surprised if it wasn't a ps5 exclusive.

@RocketRaja Most players will muck around with it for 20 minutes then not touch it again. It's a fun, weird little extra, not the end times. Kind of like how you'd imagine playing an FPS with God mode and unlimited ammo would be the funnest thing ever, but actually it's not. I don't see anything wrong with story-focussed games doing something like this. If it gets more fans of SM games, then that's only a positive.

Hmm. Returnal being on there seems to imply all 1st party games will eventually be on the service. The question is when. I'm guess 6 - 12 months after launch?

@Deadlyblack I think if this service does very well, they'll probably do something like that ('success breeds success/good money after good' and all that). It a way, it could work in Sony's favour. Ride the initial 'new service' hype for a year, then create a 2nd hype wave, 1-2 years later with the announcement of PS3 emulation and maybe some more 1st party games on the service. I genuinely think gaming services like this are the future (I may be wrong), so it's only in Sony's interest to keep improving it. The cynic in me also thinks announcing stuff like PS3 emulation could be a good excuse to increase the subscription price down the line.

@PlayStationGamer3919 All are possibilities. Not sure if Sony will buy them all, though.

I'm cautiously optimistic, but I almost feel sorry for Sony. Most responses seem to be 'subscriptions/streaming is the devil' or 'subscriptions/streaming is the future and Sony aren't going far enough'. Sony can tweak it as this generation goes along, though.

Why isn't Spiderman MM or Ghost of Tsushima 50% off, yet? They both over a year old! I swear Sony's 1st party stuff used to have better sales

Surely there's no harm in putting them on the service after 3-6 months? Pretty sure the average SP AAA game has made most of it's 'traditional' money by then?

My guess, is it'll be like films regarding cinema - disc/streaming. PS first party games will be sold 'normally' for 3-6 months, then go on PS Plus for 'free' after that.

@Robocod My guess is the Curator will slowly begin to star more prominently in the stories.

@nessisonett 'Years away?' Witcher 3 got its DLC 5 months and 12 months after it's release respectively. Even if we consider Feb 2022 (patch 1.5) Cyberpunk's 'real' release date, I'd expect a small DLC in 6 months and a bigger one in a year or less. After Feb 2023, I don't think we can expect any CP 2077 DLC.

I hope DONTNOD announce something. Their stuff is always interesting.

@GeneticMutation I agree on the preordering thing. No one should ever do it. I'm a bit annoyed at this game being ragged on for being full price, when other games get a pass. I'm pretty sure Until Dawn was full price.

@Weebleman To be fair, I've seen a lot of people asking for SMG to do a larger game more like Until Dawn. Isn't this that? I'm pretty sure Until Dawn was full price. It's not their fault that 'full price' is £20 more now than it was 10 years ago.

@playstation1995 What's the origin story of your sign-off, 'word up son'? Genuinely curious.

@Porco I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo or MS bought them.

@Party_Cannon I've heard crazier rumours, TBH. It would help show that Sony is serious about this streaming/subscription stuff

Boring (most likely) answer: Something to do with VR2
Slight more interesting/less likely answer: Maybe a PS5 slim prototype? Sony may be fast tracking it to try and mitigate supply problems.

@themightyant Yeah, it's really bugging me, too. What happened to 50% off sales?!

According to the blog, the game has a sort of codex type thing, too! That's a great idea. 7th gen games used to do that a lot, but the trend died out for some reason.

Hmm. Late 2023, maybe?

@ApostateMage Isn't The Frozen Wilds designed to be played just before the last mission in HZD?

@ChrisDeku Good point. If it makes you feel any better, as VG streaming and PS's gamepass equivalent becomes more of a thing, physical sales and the used game market will be rendered irrelevant.

@Martsmall I think Sony would do it, but only 2-4 years after PS release.

@Smash41 Not a bad idea. Especially as Guerrilla games will probably want to make at least one more Horizon game.

@Splat It still sells very well, though. A lot of the people who hate it probably but it

@get2sammyb Agreed. Giving gamers £10 off the remastered collection/ultimate edition if they already own LIS1 and BTS would be fair, though. Also, why aren't they getting a native 9th gen release, too? It all seems a bit odd, like these should have been the 8th gen versions to begin with. Were the original versions just 7th gen ports?

@AdamNovice ... While MS buys SEGA or something...

@DeanySevigny That'll never happen in that sense, as the PS4/5 apparently can't read CDs. Maybe you could make inserting the cd trigger a download though? Someone with more tech knowledge would have to confirm

@Kidfunkadelic83 We'll probably start to see that late this year, with it being the norm from 2023

@WCB It's usually the 2nd and 3rd year where things really start to take off, so I'm pretty excited.

@Kidfried I'd like to think there'd be a DC 'upgrade' for people who own the original. GOT and DS did that.

@Col_McCafferty I get your frustration with the...err.. ''backlash' (I liked TLOU2 as well, but did find Ellie's 'back and forth' a bit unbelievable) but at this pint I'd suggest staying off any comments page regarding TLOU2. It's not going to go away any time, soon.

@lolwhatno TLOU3 would be a massive undertaking. Making a remake of a smaller game (especially if most of the work has already been done by another studio) won't delay anything. ND has more than one team. My guess is we'll get all this stuff by late 2022, then a new IP in late 2024-5, then TLOU3 by late 2026-27.

@velio84 I think you're onto something. However, I'm guessing the 'Director's Cut' extra will be Factions 2 and maybe the TLOU1 remake. I'd love to be wrong, but I can't imagine TLOU2 getting an expansion in addition to Factions and the remake.

That being said, GOT got 'Ghost of Tsushima: Legends' and that Iki Island expansion, so who who knows?

@PenguinL Hopefully we'll see a return of the occasional shorter, more focused AC game within this AC Infinity thing.

Most of the PS4 games on my list are very new, so very few more than 20% off. I feel like in the next sale at least some will be 50% off, so I might wait. I Sherlock Holmes: Crimes and Punishments worth getting? It's only £6.50.
Also, DPA: House of Ashes for £16.50 might be good, but I'm guessing it'll be 50% off, eventually. Plus all these games are cross-gen, so I can always put them in the 'wait for a PS5' pile.

@Bu1ld0g Yeah, that's a good idea. Give yourself a few moths to miss it, as it were. The SP will definitely have a sale at some point. How would you rate Valhalla, BTW? I really want to try one of the 'RPG' AC games, but the grinding and length puts me off. (Said the actress to the bishop)

@Bu1ld0g That's why I tend to get the gold editions of games I like. Just in case I want to play the DLC down the line.