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Do we know how fast the rear USB ports are. If they are 3.2 10 GB/s one port will out gun everything on the PS4. At full speed moving games from USB storage to main storage will be a snap. I'm hoping to plug both next gen consoles into my NAS via USB. It will open up 30TB of storage. Think I'll be good for a long time with that!

If you haven't played Vampyr, its worth giving it a try. I enjoyed it. Its a decent AA game that offers something different. I don't have PS+, Only play Sony games on PS these days, But games like this always seemed a good fit for PS+ to me. Offering games everyone already has made little sense to me.

This is not great news for me. I really wanted Atmos support. Its great that any wired headphones will work but even my very pricey open backed AKGs are nothing compared to my 14 speaker Atmos set-up. On the up side more games MAY support support Sony's solution but time will tell.

CDPR have always had maps and other bits in the first runs of their games. Witcher 3 came with loads of box candy.

And this is me shaking my head in dismay.....

This game is my Hype right now, It overrides any next gen console or 3000 GPUs. I'm 100% against pre-orders of games and I'm playing this on PC where pre-orders make no sense but I pre-ordered from GOG some time ago. First play though Corpo / Net runner for me.

PS5 has new lighting and ray traced reflections, I'm still not of the mind this is a remaster. On PC this would just be tick boxes and sliders in the graphics menu. I had really hoped this gen would do way with reselling the same game with a different set of graphics opinions enabled. Hopefully MS will be more competitive this gen to push competition and encourage both companies to be more consumer friendly

As with all looters of the last few years, wait 6 months till they sort it out. Can't remember a looter releasing in a decent state, well maybe Boarderlands 3 but the fact remains, Don't pre-order this kind of game!

This reeks of adding things just justify charging for sliding up the graphics sliders of a 18 month old game.

I cancelled my Amazon pre-order yesterday. I'd had my finger hovering over the cancel button for a few days. I just don't need both a Xbox and ps5 in November when all I'm going to be playing is Cyberpunk 2077 on PC. Only reason I'm keeping the Xbox order is gamepass but neither have much worth playing out of the gate. All things considered, I'd like to get a chance to see what it is that I'm buying. My next gen hype is somewhat diminished at this point with us yet to see the PS5 outside of press shots

As others have stated, this has been a great example of Games as a service done right. I know a few people who will be saddened when it finally comes to an end. It also seems to be the start of a great run for Capcom. I hope they maintain their winning streak.

@thedevilsjester They are very different, No game of chance / gambling in Fortnite. And as its a free game I'm OK with it having a few MT. Mostly you just buy the battle pass, and you earn enough each season to buy the next. I've probably spent £25 /£30 for each of them but they have 500 + hours in the game. That's good value. That will last you 5 minutes in FIFA and you'll end up with nothing.

When my eldest and second kid were at school FIFA was the main game, kids had to have it. But now my youngest two have no interest in it at all, Its all fortnite for the youngest and fortnite / COD for the next one up.

I'm hoping FIFA has lost its playground credibility

@get2sammyb I'm 100% behind you on this. Sony have gone from 10/10 on messaging for the last few years to below average over the last 12 months. Change in management maybe?

We have still to see the console in any real world setting. Outside of virtual mockups based on USB or disk size we only have press shots and a single set of photos set against a ruler.

Sony clearly carries a substantial leed from this generation into the next but it's clear they are starting to chip away at little of that good will with their own actions.

@SoulChimera I don't like it. I look at steam and how many hours I've played No Man's Sky (nearly 700!) and think to myself "Get a life" innocence is bliss sometimes. 😂

@Weebleman Well put, It just feels off. But I'm sure in truth all is well. I just want to see it in tech reviewers hands. Without doubt I'll get a PS5 but I'm just starting to question the when not the if.

To be honest my finger is hovering over the cancel button for my pre order. I want to see just how big this thing is. I have a day 1 PS2, PS3, PS4 (broken) and PS4 Pro. but I also have a Series X preorder and I'm very tempted to wait until the PS5 gets a size shrink and black paint job.

Edit: reading though the comments I'm seeing a lot of folks who have been long time PS players with long histories of sharing their excitement about all things Playstation on this site getting frustrated with how Sony is handling this launch. It's not a good look Sony. I wonder how much the changes at the top of PlayStation are responsible. How can they go from getting everything spot on 12 months ago to this messaging stumble after stumble!

Has the PS5 been shown in real life yet? I have still not seen it in context with people or other things to get a better idea of the size.

Just to point out Microsoft valuation jumped $35 Billion yesterday after the news broke. They already recovered 5x the outlay. Don't bet on MS needing to recoup costs.

Sony needs to do what Sony does best just keep making great games, and release a black PS5

Watch MS put a big "Microsoft game studios" banner on the start screens of Deathloop and GhostWire. It's such a simple troll / marketing ploy its hard to see them not doing it!

I'm wondering about cancelling my pre-order until I can see it. I have a spot on wall I was going to hang it but between the design, the size and the £70 games I'm thinking I may just wait. A black one will disappear better into the background and I should be old enough to have outgrown the need to by every new piece of tech day 1.

One good thing should be its ability to run quite with the cooling you can it into it.

The profit in game pass will not come by putting up the price, It will come by signing up more people. The monthly price makes no difference, It's the monthly price X the number of subs.

And I can see the "case by case" being "Hey Sony, put release HZD and Spiderman and Xbox and we'll release Starfield on PS5" I think in reality, they won't pull what is already there and Sony paid for Deathloop and Tokyo Ghost already but I don't think we'll see any more Zenimax games on Playstation.

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If CDPR can give Cyberpunk 2077 and the witcher 3 next gen update free to current owners so can Sony. If it's not a free update its a bad look for PlayStation

A big difference is Sony and Nintendo need their game divisions to be as profitable as possible. Microsoft only needs it cover its costs at the moment and hope it grows. I hope in the long term Game Pass does not damage the industry for the smaller developers

@leucocyte For a new PS player a 3 months PS+ to play the PS collection is great value, a great selection of games, all sitting on my shelf. I'm unsure how the service game model will play out into the future but I'm open minded about the change if they improve

Wohhh, I guess they need to make up for that hit they have to take on the hardware price somewhere but there goes any thought of going digital. I wonder if they are going to up the disk price for third parties in a similar way?

This also makes game pass look like even better value!

Did everything I wanted, showed games, matched price. But I'm still a little hesitant. My day one PS4 died after 2 years and my day one PS pro sounds like a rocket ship. I'm thinking I'm going to wait out the first couple of batches this time and let production to settle down before jumping. Nothing I need to play at launch. Cyberpunk 2077 will keep me covered me for 2 or 3 months.

The high GPU clock speeds will be to blame, if there is any truth to this at all. Being able to disable a couple of CU's may not be enough. But lets see what time brings before getting worked up

edit: And with the update, again we are reminded to keep a bag of salt handy, although I bought Sony would say anything except "all be well"

Never been one to chase trophies, Tends to be to much grunt work needed but its good to know release is closing in. It seems like this has been top of my want list for a lifetime. I'm sure I had the female mantis claws / bullet scraping cheek image as my PC wallpaper when I was playing the Witcher 3

All so makes me think they are feeling good about pricing. With X box being more powerful I think Sony just need to match price and show games.

Just show us the Black version, Focus on games and give us price/date and all will be well. Ohh and just one more thing, confirm support for Dolby Vision/Atmos if could be so nice please

6/10 and I bought most of it day one! Kept going to low, It seems telling my out half how little this or that cost tricked myself even if it never worked on her!

Why they have to show the PS5 looking all black like that, it's just rubbing it in. Anyhow, day one for me again. I have a space on my wall sorted and I'll be getting one of those floating wall brackets so I don't have to care how big it is or how ugly it looks! I'm looking forward to replaying some of the PS4 greats without needing headphones.

@Kidfried True that... Very true

I have to say, this looks so much like BOTW, Not just in looks but gameplay to. Not that its a bad thing to look for inspiration but this looks the step to close to imitation.

PS3 launch was great for me, I still have my full fat day one PS3 on the shelf in my game room. I remember coming home with Resistance, Fall of man and Blue Earth Blu Ray disk set. PS will give us the details shortly and we will all be happy again

I gave a blood oath that I was going to boycott Ubisoft after all the level gating to sell XP boosters in the last AC. It only lasted till the next sale came around but still... I don't think I'm going to both with AC any more. But Watchdogs.. now that looks interesting

Game pass is good, 10 years of old fifa games not so bothered

When I first saw the PS5 I moaned and moaned about how hot it will be and how loud it will be. Then we got an idea of the size of the thing.. So we know how they are going to keep it cool and quite. And now I moan and moan about how big and ugly it is. My life is full of first world problems...

This may actually make me buy a white PS5, I've got plenty of place to hide it if its just hung on wall behind something. I know many people like the design but I really find it pug ugly and had set my mind to wait for a black release

It is not being honest showing the PS5 boast clock against the Xbox base GPU clock that 10.2 TFLOP figure will not hold for more than a second or two. The PS5 is a 9 TFLOP GPU Console.

@Porkfiend Some of us have game collections we still want access to next gen. Good luck trying to explain to your diskless device that it should be nice and let you play the game on your shelf.

So far the next gen choices out in order of power are PC £1000++ Xbox Series X £450? PS5 ???/??? Xbox Series S £250

So the PS5 really needs to fit both models between £450 and £250. I'm thinking they will go for £450/£379

This is perfect for the Fortnite generation. This and 3 months games pass will have any pre or early teen happy as ... It is a good play.

@ReadytoDestroy I think you'll find this sites community is perhaps a little more mature than expecting childish rants from both its writers and commentors. A little respect and maturity to engage with those who may not agree with you goes a long way in life

Better than I expected, If the single player content increases over time I may well look into it down the line. Next gen should solve performance issues we should hope and give them time to squash the bugs. But it looks more like a £20 quite weekend buy than anything to get excited by

3rd party is where console make their money. I've shifted to Xbox for the last 18 months or so with my pro being so loud and the One X offering best performance. I think it must be a bit of concern to Sony that the xbox will be more powerful 3rd party machine out of the gate. they need to get the first party content rolling quickly so the majority who will only have a single console swing to Sony second halve of next year when the more casual players start to move in big numbers

They also stated some time ago the multiplay will be free. Not free DLC to main game owners but free, 100% supported by MTX. Given CDPRs history I expect they will set a new benchmark in how to do this, following on from some great examples set buy the likes of WarFrame.

The main game will have a load of small free DCL releases as did the Witcher 3. If they release paid DLC is will be more like the full expansions found again in the Witcher3. Blood and Wine was bigger than mainy AAA games by its self

AWE reminded me that I bought Alan Wake from GOG a while back and never even downloaded it. It never came to PS so I've never played it but I reckon I'll take that for a spin over buying the DLC.

No way, this came across as another Anthem with Marvel skins when they first talked about it and everything I saw or heard about went downhill from there. If there is a decent single player campaign and its a free I may think about downloading it, then probably decide against it.