@Anthony_Daniels for one thing, the brand, another would be sales of ps games. Plenty of people state they'd rather get the PC version whenever it comes out. And considering how many people pirate games, they may end up losing money instead of making more.
Also, keep in mind that several ports were made in-house, thus taking sources away from new games.
@thefourfoldroot1 I strongly agree though based on previous discussions, it seems that opinion is divided. Damned if they do, damned if they don't, it seems. Also, it's worth keeping in mind that games launch with serious technically issues that affect the score they receive, even if they're soon afterwards fixed. So, there is no ideal solution here.
If memory serves, Sammy gave the remaster of the excellent Heavy Rain a low score as well, so I'm getting the impression he's a bit harsh on older games.
Will get it at some point, possibly when the frame rate is fixed.
@jrt87 hahaha. Ok, so you get that reviews are for people who haven't actually played the game, right? No one can judge the game and see if they, personally, like it than each individual playing it themselves.
@HamKnight "All of the context surrounding Ubi’s decision to include Yasuke as a main character points to disingenuous intent."
By "all", you mean the Black Lives Matter movement? That's the entire context? Zero other contributing factors?
How about the percentage of black people who live in France? How about the black employees that work for Ubisoft? Were they being cynical, too?
That's the problem with bias. You see all the points that fit your narrative and ignore all the other possible contributing factors. When I first started reading your reply, I thought "that's actually a good point. At that moment it wasn't clear if focusing on black characters would increase sales; I didn't think about that. HamKnight could actually be right about that". But then you had to make several assertions that undermined your point.
@ButterySmooth30FPS wasn't that a while ago, though? When black characters were just that, black characters, as opposed to "DEI hires"? Same for women, LGBT characters, etc. I firmly believe that, had the movie Alien just come out, it'd have been attacked by a certain crowd.
@IamJT the worst part is that many, if not most, people are happy to believe a claim as long as it confirms their bias. If it doesn't, they're all skeptical.
@HamKnight yes, but you can't be cynical and do something that won't be beneficial to you. There is no guarantee that such a move would lead to more profit. On the contrary, only a few games that have chosen such a direction have been successful.
"There are already others here who have pointed out the Samurai character was swapped out after events of 2020. This directly speaks to my original point."
And what source did these others provide to support their claim? If I make the opposite claim, will you accept it or reject it because you don't like it?
@Kalime78 Order in Decline was a huge disappointment to me, whereas every previous album was ace. Thankfully, Heaven :x: Hell was a good middle ground and unsurprisingly "Landmines" was one of their biggest hits ever.
@Kalime78 there are so many games to play, so many movies/TV series to watch, so many activities to do, etc, nowadays, that there is no excuse even for people with too much time on their hands to get that upset over a game. When my favourite band released an album which was very different from the rest of their albums (went from pop punk to heavy metal), I listened to it once and (even though I bought it) never again. There was no need to be furious. There were more artists to enjoy.
@LavenderShroud I'm convinced that their anger stems from the limited control they have over their unhappy lives. No one who is content with their life experiences such anger over trivial things like video games.
@NEStalgia "meanwhile plenty of that accomplished guys are proven to have had no idea what they were doing"
I have to somewhat disagree. Internet people will point out all the mistakes these higher ups make as if they have some crystal balls. Most armchair experts didn't expect things like Minecraft or Genshin Impact to be that successful before they launched. Had they failed, they would have been acting all smug saying "they shouldn't have green-lit this! What were they thinking?". I mean, they don't know if Factions 2 was any good, yet are convinced that it was a mistake to cancel it.
@nessisonett wow. I had no idea. I've never seen it.
In general, I disagree with statements that lack nuance. For example "love is love". Is it if it's not between consenting adults? Is it when when one can manipulate the other? Same with "censorship" and the like.
@Nem while Sony is making more revenue than ever, apparently their profits are exceedingly low. Which is why they're not spending money on games that aren't a sure thing (other than gaas, which has the potential to be a gold mine - or a financial bomb). So, as a gamer who loved their AA games, this is bad news.
@RadioHedgeFund "If Sony convince the market that £700 should be the going rate for the Playstation 6 then we're in trouble"
Ι don't think it will be that expensive. They know they need casual gamers for free to play games and MTX. They won't lose them just so that they can deliver cutting edge technology. They may push for the digital only version, though, to reduce costs.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the success of a product relies heavily on how it's being perceived. I bought a ps portal after having no intention to (I'm having blast, btw). I'm considering a PS5pro mainly for VR games. We're influenced by others more than most of us care to admit.
@JustMyOpinion you may wanna let others judge whether your point stands or not (I've made that mistake myself). It's like saying "according to me, I'm right". Well, of course you'd think so.
The reason your point doesn't stand is that it still does not address the primary purpose of virtue signaling. "Victoria's Secret's" CEO refused to be inclusive and their sales tanked. Their CEO was fired and then they started hiring people from all sizes, among other things. They changed their image and the virtue signaling worked.
But what do video game companies have to gain from virtue signalling?
Remember when Infamous 1+2 came out? Remember when Second Son came out and then First Light?
How many people complained about wokeness or DEI for switching from male characters to a female? How many complained that the female character was forced upon them?
@Chupa_loyzer and people can express their opinion on the expressed opinion, even if the person who can expressed it doesn't like it and doesn't see the irony.
@LifeGirl again. You bring up one example and think you can generalize based on it. And the premise is false.
1. We don't know if it cost that much.
2. No matter how much it cost, you're saying it failed solely because of "virtue signaling" ignoring all the other factors, including the fact that so many other gaas games have failed without anything "woke" about them. It's called confirmation bias.
Lastly, you accuse developers of virtue signaling without taking into consideration that several of them could be doing it as expression of themselves and not for others.
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Re: Dragon Ball: Sparking! Zero Goes Nuclear, Sells Over 3 Million Copies in First 24 Hours
@LifeGirl some people will always find something negative to say.
Re: One Year On, Plucky PS Portal's Sales Remain Strong
@lindos just 50%? Why not 99%? If you're gonna make assumptions based on zero evidence, might as well go all the way.
The ps portal is a success no matter how much some people wish otherwise.
Re: TV Show Review: Tomb Raider: The Legend of Lara Croft - Globetrotting Animated Adventure Edges Lara's Arc Forward
@LifeGirl as long as you realize that it works both ways
Re: TV Show Review: Tomb Raider: The Legend of Lara Croft - Globetrotting Animated Adventure Edges Lara's Arc Forward
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Re: Over 2,800 PS5, PS4 Games Score Discounts of Up to 90% Off
@Svark thanks, papa.
Re: Until Dawn Is One of Sony's Worst Performing PC Ports to Date
@Anthony_Daniels for one thing, the brand, another would be sales of ps games. Plenty of people state they'd rather get the PC version whenever it comes out. And considering how many people pirate games, they may end up losing money instead of making more.
Also, keep in mind that several ports were made in-house, thus taking sources away from new games.
Re: Until Dawn Is One of Sony's Worst Performing PC Ports to Date
The sooner Sony's PC bubble bursts, the better.
Re: Until Dawn (PS5) - Killer Teen Slasher Snags a Pricey New-Gen Remake
@thefourfoldroot1 I strongly agree though based on previous discussions, it seems that opinion is divided. Damned if they do, damned if they don't, it seems. Also, it's worth keeping in mind that games launch with serious technically issues that affect the score they receive, even if they're soon afterwards fixed. So, there is no ideal solution here.
Re: Until Dawn (PS5) - Killer Teen Slasher Snags a Pricey New-Gen Remake
If memory serves, Sammy gave the remaster of the excellent Heavy Rain a low score as well, so I'm getting the impression he's a bit harsh on older games.
Will get it at some point, possibly when the frame rate is fixed.
Re: Palworld Is Now Available on PS5 in Japan After Delayed Launch
Take that, Ninty!
Re: Beat Saber Will Give You More with Britney Spears DLC Song Pack
Are you kidding me?! I think I just died and went to heaven.
Re: Microsoft Is Investigating Why Devs Are Prioritising PS5 Over Xbox
Quite the mystery...
Re: Report Finds Lack of Star Wars Outlaws Sales Disturbing
@jrt87 hahaha. Ok, so you get that reviews are for people who haven't actually played the game, right? No one can judge the game and see if they, personally, like it than each individual playing it themselves.
Re: Report Finds Lack of Star Wars Outlaws Sales Disturbing
@StrickenBiged thanks for this. People are so quick to pass judgement that a misleading title is all it takes to fool them.
Re: Report Finds Lack of Star Wars Outlaws Sales Disturbing
@jrt87 yes, seeing videos pointing out what's wrong with something gives you a much better sense of a game than actually playing it.
Makes sense.
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Hasn't Removed Yasuke, But Dev Focused on Historical Accuracy
@Buckster666 same thing happened to Larian studios. Last year they went woke with Baldur's Gate 3 and, as we all know they went broke. Right?
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Hasn't Removed Yasuke, But Dev Focused on Historical Accuracy
@Porco "anyone remember the afro samurai anime/games from 15 years ago? well, nobody seemed to have a problem with that franchise."
Do you think that if Afro Samurai came out in 2024 people wouldn't have a problem with it?
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Hasn't Removed Yasuke, But Dev Focused on Historical Accuracy
@AhmadSumadi sorry to hear that. Hopefully one day we'll move on from this mindset.
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Hasn't Removed Yasuke, But Dev Focused on Historical Accuracy
@HamKnight "All of the context surrounding Ubi’s decision to include Yasuke as a main character points to disingenuous intent."
By "all", you mean the Black Lives Matter movement? That's the entire context? Zero other contributing factors?
How about the percentage of black people who live in France? How about the black employees that work for Ubisoft? Were they being cynical, too?
That's the problem with bias. You see all the points that fit your narrative and ignore all the other possible contributing factors. When I first started reading your reply, I thought "that's actually a good point. At that moment it wasn't clear if focusing on black characters would increase sales; I didn't think about that. HamKnight could actually be right about that". But then you had to make several assertions that undermined your point.
A shame. A real shame.
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Hasn't Removed Yasuke, But Dev Focused on Historical Accuracy
@ButterySmooth30FPS wasn't that a while ago, though? When black characters were just that, black characters, as opposed to "DEI hires"? Same for women, LGBT characters, etc. I firmly believe that, had the movie Alien just come out, it'd have been attacked by a certain crowd.
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Hasn't Removed Yasuke, But Dev Focused on Historical Accuracy
@IamJT the worst part is that many, if not most, people are happy to believe a claim as long as it confirms their bias. If it doesn't, they're all skeptical.
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Hasn't Removed Yasuke, But Dev Focused on Historical Accuracy
@HamKnight yes, but you can't be cynical and do something that won't be beneficial to you. There is no guarantee that such a move would lead to more profit. On the contrary, only a few games that have chosen such a direction have been successful.
"There are already others here who have pointed out the Samurai character was swapped out after events of 2020. This directly speaks to my original point."
And what source did these others provide to support their claim? If I make the opposite claim, will you accept it or reject it because you don't like it?
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Hasn't Removed Yasuke, But Dev Focused on Historical Accuracy
@Kalime78 Order in Decline was a huge disappointment to me, whereas every previous album was ace. Thankfully, Heaven :x: Hell was a good middle ground and unsurprisingly "Landmines" was one of their biggest hits ever.
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Hasn't Removed Yasuke, But Dev Focused on Historical Accuracy
@Paramahansa yup. Same with Prince of Persia: The Lost Crown. Excellent game that was criticized to death when it was revealed.
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Hasn't Removed Yasuke, But Dev Focused on Historical Accuracy
@HamKnight if it's just cynical "bandwagon-jumping" shouldn't they be making gaas games instead? They have nothing to gain from this.
Re: PlayStation Network Outage Has Now Been Resolved
@carlos82 yeah, I get it. It can be quite frustrating.
Re: Insider Report Adds Context to Assassin's Creed Shadows' Big Delay
@Kalime78 there are so many games to play, so many movies/TV series to watch, so many activities to do, etc, nowadays, that there is no excuse even for people with too much time on their hands to get that upset over a game. When my favourite band released an album which was very different from the rest of their albums (went from pop punk to heavy metal), I listened to it once and (even though I bought it) never again. There was no need to be furious. There were more artists to enjoy.
Re: PlayStation Network Is Currently Offline, Sony Working on Restoring Services
@carlos82 you mean in order to download a game you feel like playing at the moment?
Re: PlayStation Fans Gleefully Snitch on 30th Anniversary PS5 Pro Scalpers
@Yousef- yup. That's my guess, too.
Re: PlayStation Fans Gleefully Snitch on 30th Anniversary PS5 Pro Scalpers
@REALAIS yup. Which also means that the ps portal currently doesn't work.
Re: Insider Report Adds Context to Assassin's Creed Shadows' Big Delay
@LavenderShroud I'm convinced that their anger stems from the limited control they have over their unhappy lives. No one who is content with their life experiences such anger over trivial things like video games.
Re: Insider Report Adds Context to Assassin's Creed Shadows' Big Delay
@jedinite gotta love confirmation bias.
Re: Insider Report Adds Context to Assassin's Creed Shadows' Big Delay
@Shadcai some people really feel/act like the world revolves -or should revolve- around them.
Re: Explore Hell Is Us PS5 in Extensive Developer-Led Gameplay Trailer
I'm only checking it out because of its brilliant title. It seems to be drawing on Sartre's "L'enfer, c'est les autres" ("Hell is other people").
I think the message in The Walking Dead was similar.
Re: Prospective PS6 Purchasers Would Consider a Portable Model
@1UP-HUSKY imagine having a €1000 phone
Re: Fans Appear to Be Coming Around to PS5 Pro
@NEStalgia "meanwhile plenty of that accomplished guys are proven to have had no idea what they were doing"
I have to somewhat disagree. Internet people will point out all the mistakes these higher ups make as if they have some crystal balls. Most armchair experts didn't expect things like Minecraft or Genshin Impact to be that successful before they launched. Had they failed, they would have been acting all smug saying "they shouldn't have green-lit this! What were they thinking?". I mean, they don't know if Factions 2 was any good, yet are convinced that it was a mistake to cancel it.
Re: 'Difficult to Comment' on Astro Bot's Square Enix Snub, Says Team Asobi
@UltimateOtaku91 excellent point.
Re: Dragon Quest Veterans on Dealing with 'Ridiculous Country' USA Amid Censorship Row
@nessisonett wow. I had no idea. I've never seen it.
In general, I disagree with statements that lack nuance. For example "love is love". Is it if it's not between consenting adults? Is it when when one can manipulate the other? Same with "censorship" and the like.
Re: Forgiving Gamers Are Contributing to The Day Before Devs' New Kickstarter
@Jayslow my thoughts exactly. 36 is... nothing to write home about, especially if in reality it's lower than that.
Re: Dragon Quest Veterans on Dealing with 'Ridiculous Country' USA Amid Censorship Row
@Lup "Videogames are art, and as such, they should be able to show whatever they want to show"
including underage characters' private parts? It's art, after all.
Re: Test Your PlayStation General Knowledge - Issue 28
Woohoo, 4/10 again!
Re: Fans Appear to Be Coming Around to PS5 Pro
@Nem while Sony is making more revenue than ever, apparently their profits are exceedingly low. Which is why they're not spending money on games that aren't a sure thing (other than gaas, which has the potential to be a gold mine - or a financial bomb). So, as a gamer who loved their AA games, this is bad news.
Re: Fans Appear to Be Coming Around to PS5 Pro
@RadioHedgeFund "If Sony convince the market that £700 should be the going rate for the Playstation 6 then we're in trouble"
Ι don't think it will be that expensive. They know they need casual gamers for free to play games and MTX. They won't lose them just so that they can deliver cutting edge technology. They may push for the digital only version, though, to reduce costs.
Re: Fans Appear to Be Coming Around to PS5 Pro
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the success of a product relies heavily on how it's being perceived. I bought a ps portal after having no intention to (I'm having blast, btw). I'm considering a PS5pro mainly for VR games. We're influenced by others more than most of us care to admit.
Re: Japan Sales Charts: PS5 Continues to Tank in Japan Following Price Increase
They get what they deserve.
Astro Bot, on the other hand deserved all the love, but alas.
Re: PS5's Ghost of Yotei Triggers Social Media, Ex-Sony Exec Says 'If You Don't Like It, Don't Buy It'
@JustMyOpinion you may wanna let others judge whether your point stands or not (I've made that mistake myself). It's like saying "according to me, I'm right". Well, of course you'd think so.
The reason your point doesn't stand is that it still does not address the primary purpose of virtue signaling. "Victoria's Secret's" CEO refused to be inclusive and their sales tanked. Their CEO was fired and then they started hiring people from all sizes, among other things. They changed their image and the virtue signaling worked.
But what do video game companies have to gain from virtue signalling?
Re: PS5's Ghost of Yotei Triggers Social Media, Ex-Sony Exec Says 'If You Don't Like It, Don't Buy It'
It's actually very interesting what's happening.
Remember when Infamous 1+2 came out? Remember when Second Son came out and then First Light?
How many people complained about wokeness or DEI for switching from male characters to a female? How many complained that the female character was forced upon them?
Re: PS5's Ghost of Yotei Triggers Social Media, Ex-Sony Exec Says 'If You Don't Like It, Don't Buy It'
@Chupa_loyzer and people can express their opinion on the expressed opinion, even if the person who can expressed it doesn't like it and doesn't see the irony.
Re: PS5's Ghost of Yotei Triggers Social Media, Ex-Sony Exec Says 'If You Don't Like It, Don't Buy It'
@LifeGirl again. You bring up one example and think you can generalize based on it. And the premise is false.
1. We don't know if it cost that much.
2. No matter how much it cost, you're saying it failed solely because of "virtue signaling" ignoring all the other factors, including the fact that so many other gaas games have failed without anything "woke" about them. It's called confirmation bias.
Lastly, you accuse developers of virtue signaling without taking into consideration that several of them could be doing it as expression of themselves and not for others.
Re: PS5's Ghost of Yotei Triggers Social Media, Ex-Sony Exec Says 'If You Don't Like It, Don't Buy It'
@Chupa_loyzer who are these superiors?