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@crimsontadpoles totally agree.

@Silbermetallic nah, Pet Shop Boys and New Order by a country mile, and then Electronic when they joined forces.

I don't see the problem. They offered $7500 and he said no. They're no more obliged to offer him what he thinks it's worth than he is obliged to take what they offered. Offer made and rejected, move on.

Offer $7500 to David Van Day for 'O L'Amour'. He's skint, he'll take it.

I'm not a fan of these live service games.

I don't have to give it a score.
This isn't a game I'm playing.
I can go about my business.
I'll move along.

@PerpetualBoredom I will when you stop smoking it. Everyone knows grass' greatest sin is it makes people ok with being bored. Too bored to check facts. 😊👍

@Titntin ahhhh, understood. And agreed. He's trolling, and I'm ok with that. As long as his grammar is correct, he doesn't use Americanisms, and doesnt just copy and paste posts from reddit and present them as news 😁👍

Not a lot. I own an Xbox.

@Titntin

Thanks 😊👍trouble is, gamers are the ones being nuanced about live service gaming, not Sammy. We are the ones making the distinction between games like NMS that offer live service updates and monetised GaaS.

When we complain about live service games we don't want, we're not mentioning or even lumping in games that are supported past their launch date. Because technically, you could class ALL games that receives updates, patches, content free of charge after launch as 'live service', so we make the distinction.

Same is trying to argue a point using those types of games as collateral damage when people are vocally negative about live service GaaS, and that isn't what people do, neither is it what they mean.

He's not being nuanced, he's aggregating all games that are supported beyond launch day and classifying them all as the same (which technically it is in the strictest sense) and saying when we complain we demonise them all equally because they share a loose definition of what live service is.

@Northern_munkey 😆 👍

@Titntin

Mr Anderson, You’ve been living two lives. In one life, you’re Thomas A. Anderson, program writer for a respectable software company. You have a social security number, you pay your taxes, and you... help your landlady carry out her garbage.

The other life is lived in game websites, where you go by the username alias ‘TinTin’ and are guilty of agreeing with Sammy's terribly argued point about live service games.

One of these lives has a future. And one of them does not.

I’m going to be as forthcoming as I can be, Mr. Anderson. You’re here because we need your help. We know that you’ve been contacted by a certain individual — a man who calls himself Sammy. Now, whatever you think you know about this man is irrelevant. He is considered by many authorities to be the most dangerous man alive. He doesn't know the difference between monetised live service games and games that receive live service support after launch, and thinks we don't either.

@IMustardMitt it's online only. No offline modes.

@Northern_munkey wanna race? I've had a rest, I can go again 😆👍

@LieutenantFatman then by your own assertion that executives can abandon the term 'live service' on a whim, and that 'people' shouldn't get worked up by semantics, the article shouldn't have been written in the first place. That's the root cause of why people are 'worked up', and it's the origin of the flex over semantics. That should be the focus of your post if you think this is all pointless, surely.

@Shepherd_Tallon thanks, mate. Hope you don't get a hangover 😊

"The island is the perfect setting for a racing-cum-lifestyle game like this.."

I had no idea it could do that! I'm off to tell my mates! Let's see who's got the fastest!! 😆

@TrickyDicky99 I'll show you on the teddy bear where the live service game touched me

@get2sammyb most people know that. People don't think there's only one type of live service. Your problem is, you're effectively a mirror image of what you think we are doing. You're not appreciating that when people complain about live service games they're not complaining about all types of live service games, they mean the egretiously monetised ones, or ones that are trying to fill a niche thats already full whilst taking away resources from other potential games. No one wants to see the end of games with live service support that do it properly, such as Helldivers 2, or freely, like NMS.

You're preaching to the converted.. and a handful of folk who can't tie their shoelaces.

Bless you Sammy for bringing attention to this game. It's great that you show us stuff other sites wouldn't. Japanese gaming tastes is a constant source of wonder to me. All is forgiven for that other article.

@UltimateOtaku91 😆 that whole article is one

@UltimateOtaku91 @PSboxswitchowner gets it 😆👍

@Weebleman I would've 100% believed that if he didn't come into the comments to defend the article. He actually believes it 😆 fair play, we all have our blind spots.

@Ravix Is this a case of someone identifying a game as live service so now we have to agree and say it's live service for fear of cancellation?

This is a genius article the more I think about it. How could we not post on the comments about a topic framed so epically badly?

I was playing this but now I know it's live service I want it banned!

@Ravix it's so obvious I can only think this was a set up. Job done. I've already made 4 comments 😆😆👍

How about a poll about how which games we complain about when we talk about live service gaming:

1. Yearly, full price, franchise releases with added content via MTs and Battlepasses, designed to funnel players towards spending real money long term.

2. Monetised GaaS games that cost money to buy to play with content added via a road map, designed to funnel players toward spending real money longterm.

3. F2P, heavily monetised live service games with added content via special events and FOMO, designed to funnel players towards spending real money longterm.

4. Fully featured games that developers update with free content for months and years after release.

Tough one. It's 4!! Ban them!!

@get2sammyb

Sammy, I don't know why you are defending this position. Its clear that whilst there is an argument to be had that Astrobot and Fortnite both enjoy updates beyond launch that enhance the game so you could lump both under the umbrella term 'live service',
when people bemoan live service gaming they will always mean the type that is MONETISED. I don't know why you're trying to blur the distinction in people's mind when they are already able to tell, and already do treat differently, the two different kind of 'live service' games. People want less of the monetised kind.

We're not thick. Is that what you think, because this is a website for gaming enthusiasts. I'm mildly insulted. When people refer to live service gaming as in GaaS, it's not a game like Astrobot that has had content added after release. No Man's Sky is the best examples of this, we know the difference between the this kind of live service and the games built around monetising it, like Fortnite.

You said it yourself, no one complains about live service support. No one moans about Hello Games giving years worth of free content and upgrades because we're not stupid enough to not be able to discern the difference between that kind of live service supported games and the monetised kind.

Frankly, I'm shocked you put Astrobot and Fortnite in the same category! You can't really think that, surely. Astrobot is not a monetised game as a service but it has live service support. Not the same thing.

So naturally you'll be holding a competition for one of us to win it. You wouldn't just tell us Sony sent you it to show us it and then put ads to earn commision, would you?! 😮😆 That's a tease at best. Come on, let's have a comp! 😁

@Anthony_Daniels that's what I said too. This article is deliberately misleading. Embarrassing.

It's running throughout the holidays? I'm on holiday now so good news!! How did they know?! 🤔😊

Sony promotions of their top tier games is always top notch.

"Even so, it seems like an odd thing to say when you consider that there's a seemingly endless selection of PlayStation IP..Even so, it seems like an odd thing to say when you consider that there's a seemingly endless selection of PlayStation IP.."

It's an odd thing to make an article framing what they say as if it were focussed on PlayStation when they were talking about all forms of media.

Of course it's going to look odd if you are going to take it out of the much broader context it's was said in. You're MAKING news rather than reporting it without a spin. So now people are saying, '...but PS has lots of gaming IP!! They're idiots!!'

You say,

"It's worth noting that Totoki and Yoshida's comments aren't limited to just video games but include Sony's film and anime interests, too – and in that regard, you could argue that outside of games, Sony does indeed lack wholly-owned IP to exploit "

It's not just worth noting that, THAT is the actual basis of their comment, and you distilling it creates a narrative that was not their intention.

Unfortunately the FT requires a subscription payment so I can't even read their comments to comprehend the statement in its entirety, making you representing it in a skewed fashion even more frustrating. Not cool @Damo

@Silbermetallic I'm sure the Pro would improve it even more, yes.

@Killionaire genuinely curious...I don't own the game yet, isn't PVE its focus? As someone who plays it, is the end game not substantial enough to stay with PVE and not be that bothered about PVP? I hope thats not the case. I was like that with Destiny. Didn't care much for PVP which wasn't all that at first, and the PVE keeped me hooked well past the point where PVP had more meat on the bone. Can I consider this the same?

@LifeGirl you've mischaracterised my question.That's OK👍It's not the question I'm asking Mr Banas. I'm asking if the decision to go corporate with Future Perfect, which he thought of as a negative, was actually a positive considering its subjectively a better game than this, in his opinion.

I'm not disagreeing with him over either review, I'm engaging with him again because last time I misunderstood him and he kindly cleared up my confusion.

@ChrisDeku i may have misremebered, could've been prerelease bonus content. Fair enough, apologies for that. How about Gears of War 4 Ultimate Edition? The point stands that this is not a new trend, it all started back then and has grown into what we see now. I agree with you that it is more prevalent now, that's for sure.

@ChrisDeku Metal Gear V and Deux Ex did it to name a couple. There are others.

The point is it's far from a new trend. I don't know how a journalist can say that and make it public. It just not true and stirs up controversy. It's an old argument. There was a big fuss when Deux Ex did it. We've been down this road, I'm baffled how it's being presented like it's new.

@Sequel that is brilliant. I miss the times when my kids were young and we had experiences like that. Wonderful.

@Vault_Mcfly maybe it's on Twitter....oh wait.

@Johnnycide they already have with Astrobot.

Wait, wait, wait Graham @gbanas92 (and hello 😊) ...this scores lower than the 'corporate' sequel? So, in essence going the 'corporate' route was the right thing to do and rather than have it as a negative it should've been viewed as an improvement.

What do you think, mate?

@OthmaneAD and early contender for comment of the day 👍

@KundaliniRising333 Early access has been around for years. I can't understand why a journalist thinks it's a new trend and gives us that impression. It wasn't a promotional push by publishers to tempt streamers into playing it because back then there wasn't a huge streaming community like now.

It was purely to take advantage of people with the will and the way to pay extra for early access. And we've been doing that for decades with the postal service.

This reads like a infomercial. I'd say 6 quid is a lot for an endless mode. Pass.

He should team up with Mind Quad

I heard Kathleen Kennedy loves the show and it's going to guest star.

This isn't a new trend, early access by paying a premium became popular in the mid 2010s. Every day you leave me scratching my head. And we pay for things in pounds in the UK, not dollars.

Nah. It's a pair of Adidas trainers in a box.

I had given it a score of 10 out of 10 and wrote it in blood, but I made a mistake and put 9 because my blood's Type O.

Make an Epic account? Just for this? Nah.