Honestly, I don't understand the "generation never started" arguments.. over the last generation graphics have evolved far enough that further x2 jumps will never feel as groundbreaking as during PS1/2 era. If anything PC owners should be very familiar with this (basically last 4 years of GPUs are iterative and in total don't represent a shocking visual bump unless you are on DF team).
It might be time to stop thinking about traditional generations and start thinking about continuous experience provided by ongoing ecosystem.
And Sony probably doesn't mind as those 50% still using PS4 are:
still spending money on Sony games
still paying for PS Plus to play their live service game of choice
will eventually upgrade to PS5 Pro as they are not leaving their library behind
EDIT: I understand my first line might read a bit wrong. Comment is targeted at people who dispute reasoning to upgrade "as generation has never started" when in fact it has, I just think future generations will be shorter, less groundbreaking, and not mandatory upgrades. Waiting on a world-shattering release event that is not going to happen as the nature of the generation is changing.
Was always gonna be the case. Not sure what people expected, there is no way they could have been financially stable and release all Activision titles into GP day 1.
Not saying I told you so, but I told you so. MS is a cut throat company built on shady tactics and suspect competition elimination. It was only matter of time before they gut my favorite hobby, which they arguably already did as I blame aggressive early GP pricing pressure for the current state of console gaming. Nintendo is the only company immune for now (because they found their own unique approach and market).
Would make much more sense for me if it was a cross-licence solution, even if just for first party studios. GoT sounds great on PC, but I ain't paying full price again for a game I beat multiple times..
Hmmm, I jumped in trying to get UFC 5 Deluxe, but it seems to be priced at £59.99. Not sure what's going on, but if they changed it after launching sale with £19.99... man, that s*cks.
I would expect many more devs going for the $40 price after Helldivers 2 success. So much so, actually, that I'm slightly afraid that sweet spot between indie and AAAA is going to get over-saturated. It was typically reserved for fun but not great gems, as if devs knew their gameplay is fire but they don't have production values to warrant $70 pricing. I don't want that to disappear
@Shrek_Realista by understanding that to maintain diverse portfolio you have to have a healthy business that can afford taking risks/eating up unforseen loses. If having 80% of new releases be GaaS (which I don't care about at all) means other 20% be stuff like GoW, Horizon, GT7, upcoming Stellar Blade, etc.. I'm OK with that. Better than having zero games of that level, which as a disappointed Series owner I can attest to.
Awesome, second game I was looking into buying going day 1 to the service. Sony throwing some serious punches, probably looking to aggressively grow sub numbers (this can not be either normal or viable long-term).
Demo for this game was great. I just recently returned to Sea of Stars to finish it, and it seems like I'll stay in retro land for a little while more. Good job Sony
@Shrek_Realista you do understand that Playstation is selling out competition more than 2:1 during the generation that was designed and developed solely during his tenure. Everything can be considered a failure if you squint hard enough, but calling Jim a failure takes real effort
This game is one of the biggest PS5 wins that somehow usually doesn't get mentioned when going over best games on the platform. I'm consistently hooked into weekly challenges and have been returning to it for years.
@get2sammyb I would agree 100%. Way I see it, Sony is using this opportunity to test PSSR technology in the wild, get devs to use it in practice. All for eventual mature implementation in PS6. And there are many enthusiasts that will be onboard with that (assuming decent pricing, probably myself included).
Best Xbox game this gen. By that I mean a decent 9/10 fun experience that does not take itself too seriously. Definitely enjoyed it while it lasted. But yeah, not a GOTY material (not every game has to be though).
Whole Episode Aigis saga is laughable.. it's like they are trying to provoke anger from every single one of their ex-fans. You have to admire the calamity..
@PaperAlien agreed, that is the price I was waiting for (always count on Ubisoft overcharging on launch, get disappointed by initial sales and drop the price in a few months to acceptable levels).
Lovely, how devs came out and said this expansion is basically essential content and was not in final release due to time constraints.. but still go ahead and charge extra $30 for it 😁 You know, post launch patches with free expansions are not unheard of.. if time was the only reason (not trying to sell a game for $100).
Sounding like a broken record, but I love how these games start life as 9/10 on Xbox and mature to 7/10 on PS5..
For me it was always 7/10 and I'm glad I ain't the only one it was boring and awkward looking to.
Yeah, watched this yesterday, and the more I think about it, the more it looks like a massive win for Sony. I was so surprised I couldn't believe it was that better and was grasping at straws to give xCloud some pros.. but yeah, flawless victory it seems.
Good game, among the best available on Xbox. It'll be interesting to see how it performs on PS5 as I feel like competition is much stronger (wouldn't be surprised if PS5 reviews gravitate toward 7-8/10 instead of 9-10/10).
@DarkTron man, whole industry is locking suits behind paywalls permanently, without giving to charity. It's basis of every live service game out there. At least this attempt has a noble cause embedded somewhere in there..
Some very good games there, a bit disappointing even as they have been around for a while. 6/7 are still worth trying out (Ghostwire: Tokyo would be forgotten in days after release if not made by Tango Gameworks).
Glad to see they succeeded. However, I wouldn't say nobody saw it coming, Sony was advertising aggressively (as I assume they knew what they had on their hands). It's just that most media didn't take it seriously and laughed at it during all those State of Play events.
In an amusing twist, fact that nobody is taking it to seriously is exactly why it's working that great 😃
@Darylb88 I agree Sony will follow in a few years, but I kind of wish they didn't. There are downsides to GP day and date model (quality, release cadence, amount of varied content) that people are mostly ignorant to, that Sony would surely inherit if they switched to similar service, simply to make it financially feasible. While there is a large population out there that is not phased by these concessions, me personally would rather opt out of such future.
You must appreciate Sony for being open about the numbers, even when they are not great (as over the last few days). The fact that Xbox is being sneaky about their own, and tries to manipulate the opinion by cherry-picking just the ones they feel strong about (34 millions of subs), makes me believe they are doing far worse than Sony. As for the strategies, and I don't want to offend anyone, it's easy to put your first party releases to the service day-1 when they are of questionable quality and are releasing to a smaller potential "buying" audience. GP started strong with 3rd party releases, but over the last half a year (probably more) it's been mostly disappointment for me. I still am subscribed to the service, but because I took advantage of extremely charitable exchange rate early on. No way I would subscribe full price, as a value for a casual gamer like me is just not there. (I tend to play smaller number of games, and I don't need to play them day-1, but I want them to be 9/10 and 10/10 experiences. Similar to how I don't watch every 6/10 movie, and concentrate only on pieces I'll remember/will leave lasting impression)
I might be wrong here, but it seems to me Sony is converging toward the same goals.. they are starting with aggressive PC release schedule, trying to cut down wait between PS5 and PC release date. Microsoft did this some time back.. PS Plus PC version is a logical next step.. (I don't believe they will ever release their game for Series consoles though, as install base is probably not large enough)
I'll take some Tales of Arise, thank you very much. Unbound I've already played, but it's definitely worth checking out (and with better graphics as I've played on XSS - is there a save transfer?). Valhalla is probably considered big hitter, but not for me.
Tried the demo, enjoyed it quite a bit. Reminds me of Xenoblade Chronicles mechanics with better graphics (XC is really held back by the under-powered platform). I'll pick it up eventually, that's for sure.
It's a great game, well deserved. Also, $10 upgrade path is the way to go for these re-releases, and I'm glad data is backing that up. As far as the story goes though, sometimes it feels like people need to be reminded Joel is a fictional character in a game used to advance the plot. Events that transpire do that exceptionally well, it's supposed to s*ck and feel like a gut punch.
Just a suggestion, but poll should have "Waiting for it to hit subscription service." option. And I'll be doing just that, as game looks good, but not 70€ good.
This was I believe a first State of Play I have not watched in real-time as I really didn't think any of the games were a must for me. But man, after watching it today, I was wrong. Pretty good offering, 5-6 games I'll keep a close eye on and few more that wouldn't surprise me ending up being great.
Negativity is strong with this site. Xbox had a showcase with 4 games (and surprising 5th) and everybody lost their mind how much content there was. Sony does 15 games, everybody whines how there is nothing to play and console is an unbelievable disappointment.
This is a second news of a game launching with important content behind paywall today. And both launching day 1 to Game Pass. Not saying PS Plus launch would have been different, but this is the quality straight to services releases will bring you... :/
EDIT: Just learned Like A Dragon is not launching to GP. No idea what were they thinking.
Totally don't care what haters are saying, Part 2 was/is a masterpiece and I can't wait to replay it on PS5 with these enhancements. Not sure graphics can get much better though, maybe next gen 😀
It takes time to shift mentally from giving same amount of money for ownership to renting. It also takes time to buy into the idea of that being great value ☺️
Honestly, after visiting first hand, Japan gaming scene is living and breathing Nintendo. I don't see anybody being able to compete, even with significantly better offerings (similar to how in large parts of EU PlayStation is synonymous with console gaming). So having a good hardware year and beating direct competitor (Xbox) fares well for Sony. Realistic goals, that's all.
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Re: A Lot of PS4 Owners Have Yet to Upgrade to PS5
Honestly, I don't understand the "generation never started" arguments.. over the last generation graphics have evolved far enough that further x2 jumps will never feel as groundbreaking as during PS1/2 era. If anything PC owners should be very familiar with this (basically last 4 years of GPUs are iterative and in total don't represent a shocking visual bump unless you are on DF team).
It might be time to stop thinking about traditional generations and start thinking about continuous experience provided by ongoing ecosystem.
And Sony probably doesn't mind as those 50% still using PS4 are:
EDIT: I understand my first line might read a bit wrong. Comment is targeted at people who dispute reasoning to upgrade "as generation has never started" when in fact it has, I just think future generations will be shorter, less groundbreaking, and not mandatory upgrades. Waiting on a world-shattering release event that is not going to happen as the nature of the generation is changing.
Re: 13 New Games Joining PS Plus Extra, Premium Next Week
Worst month I can remember.. last one was decent for me, but this is just terrible.
Re: Akimbot Looks Like a Ratchet & Clank Knock-Off for PS5
Happy somebody decided to clone R&C, as it definitely deserves it.
As for trailer, looks a bit mediocre but I'll give it a try if priced properly.
Re: This Year's Call of Duty May Not Be Included in Xbox Game Pass After All
Was always gonna be the case. Not sure what people expected, there is no way they could have been financially stable and release all Activision titles into GP day 1.
Re: Tango Gameworks, Arkane Austin, More Closed in Brutal Bethesda Restructure
I see your true colors...
Not saying I told you so, but I told you so. MS is a cut throat company built on shady tactics and suspect competition elimination. It was only matter of time before they gut my favorite hobby, which they arguably already did as I blame aggressive early GP pricing pressure for the current state of console gaming. Nintendo is the only company immune for now (because they found their own unique approach and market).
Re: It Looks Like Kena: Bridge of Spirits Is Heading to New Platforms
Good game, glad it's moving to other platforms. Personally, I believe it would do wonderfully on Nintendo systems.
Re: Sony Reveals PlayStation Overlay for PC Ports, Supports Trophies, Friends List
Would make much more sense for me if it was a cross-licence solution, even if just for first party studios. GoT sounds great on PC, but I ain't paying full price again for a game I beat multiple times..
Re: A Further 2,000 Major PS5, PS4 Games Are on Sale Right Now
Hmmm, I jumped in trying to get UFC 5 Deluxe, but it seems to be priced at £59.99. Not sure what's going on, but if they changed it after launching sale with £19.99... man, that s*cks.
Re: $70 Games Are Just a Phase, Believes Saber Interactive CEO
I would expect many more devs going for the $40 price after Helldivers 2 success. So much so, actually, that I'm slightly afraid that sweet spot between indie and AAAA is going to get over-saturated. It was typically reserved for fun but not great gems, as if devs knew their gameplay is fire but they don't have production values to warrant $70 pricing. I don't want that to disappear
Re: New PlayStation CEO Hiroki Totoki Starts Temporary Role Today
@Shrek_Realista by understanding that to maintain diverse portfolio you have to have a healthy business that can afford taking risks/eating up unforseen loses.
If having 80% of new releases be GaaS (which I don't care about at all) means other 20% be stuff like GoW, Horizon, GT7, upcoming Stellar Blade, etc.. I'm OK with that.
Better than having zero games of that level, which as a disappointed Series owner I can attest to.
Re: Tales of Kenzera: ZAU Also a Day One PS Plus Extra Game, Out 23rd April
Awesome, second game I was looking into buying going day 1 to the service.
Sony throwing some serious punches, probably looking to aggressively grow sub numbers (this can not be either normal or viable long-term).
Re: Dave the Diver Will Launch on PS Plus Extra, Free for Members on 16th April
Demo for this game was great. I just recently returned to Sea of Stars to finish it, and it seems like I'll stay in retro land for a little while more. Good job Sony
Re: New PlayStation CEO Hiroki Totoki Starts Temporary Role Today
@Shrek_Realista you do understand that Playstation is selling out competition more than 2:1 during the generation that was designed and developed solely during his tenure.
Everything can be considered a failure if you squint hard enough, but calling Jim a failure takes real effort
Re: PS5, PS4's Gran Turismo 7 Continues to Get Better and Better
This game is one of the biggest PS5 wins that somehow usually doesn't get mentioned when going over best games on the platform.
I'm consistently hooked into weekly challenges and have been returning to it for years.
Re: PS Plus Essential Games for April 2024 Announced
Hoped Immortals would be added to the service, so that is good enough for me. No care for the other two though.
Re: Huge Star Ocean: The Second Story R Update Makes This Fantastic Remake Even Better
@darreb510 6 large games... oh how I wish that was my backlog depth. That's basically monthly addition to the list
Re: PS Plus Extra Loses These 11 PS5, PS4 Games Next Month
Came here to complain.. sort of lost steam after I've seen and thought about the list. Never actually considered playing any of these games...
Re: PS5 Pro's Rumoured Spectral Super Resolution Tech Could Be Transformative
@get2sammyb I would agree 100%. Way I see it, Sony is using this opportunity to test PSSR technology in the wild, get devs to use it in practice. All for eventual mature implementation in PS6.
And there are many enthusiasts that will be onboard with that (assuming decent pricing, probably myself included).
Re: Hi-Fi Rush (PS5) - Xbox Gem Makes Its Rhythmic Debut on PS5
Best Xbox game this gen. By that I mean a decent 9/10 fun experience that does not take itself too seriously. Definitely enjoyed it while it lasted.
But yeah, not a GOTY material (not every game has to be though).
Re: Persona 3 Reload: Episode Aigis Will Be Locked Behind Expansion Pass
Whole Episode Aigis saga is laughable.. it's like they are trying to provoke anger from every single one of their ex-fans. You have to admire the calamity..
Re: Colossal PS Store Sale Plunges the Price of Over 1,000 PS5, PS4 Essentials
@PaperAlien agreed, that is the price I was waiting for (always count on Ubisoft overcharging on launch, get disappointed by initial sales and drop the price in a few months to acceptable levels).
Re: Persona 3 Reload: Episode Aigis Expansion Pass Priced at Roughly £30 / $35
Lovely, how devs came out and said this expansion is basically essential content and was not in final release due to time constraints.. but still go ahead and charge extra $30 for it 😁
You know, post launch patches with free expansions are not unheard of.. if time was the only reason (not trying to sell a game for $100).
Re: Mini Review: As Dusk Falls (PS5) - Creative Character-Driven Drama
Sounding like a broken record, but I love how these games start life as 9/10 on Xbox and mature to 7/10 on PS5..
For me it was always 7/10 and I'm glad I ain't the only one it was boring and awkward looking to.
Re: PS Plus Premium's Cloud Streaming Is Much, Much Better Than You Think
Yeah, watched this yesterday, and the more I think about it, the more it looks like a massive win for Sony. I was so surprised I couldn't believe it was that better and was grasping at straws to give xCloud some pros.. but yeah, flawless victory it seems.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 517
I'll be switching between Star Wars: Jedi Survivor, Gran Turismo 7, and going back to Xenoblade Chronicles 3. All 3 amazing games in their own right 👍
Re: Superb Metroidvania Prince of Persia: The Lost Crown to Get Free Updates
Can't wait for this to hit $30 on second hand market. Literally can't wait, as I have to talk myself out of buying it almost daily.
Re: Xbox Game Hi-Fi Rush Announced for PS5, Out Next Month
Good game, among the best available on Xbox. It'll be interesting to see how it performs on PS5 as I feel like competition is much stronger (wouldn't be surprised if PS5 reviews gravitate toward 7-8/10 instead of 9-10/10).
Re: New Spider-Man 2 Suits for Huge 7th March Update Revealed, Will Cost $5 at First
@DarkTron man, whole industry is locking suits behind paywalls permanently, without giving to charity. It's basis of every live service game out there. At least this attempt has a noble cause embedded somewhere in there..
Re: PS Plus Extra, Premium Lose Another Seven Games Soon
Some very good games there, a bit disappointing even as they have been around for a while.
6/7 are still worth trying out (Ghostwire: Tokyo would be forgotten in days after release if not made by Tango Gameworks).
Re: Helldivers 2 Beats Destiny 2's All-Time Steam Peak, Gaining on Palworld
Glad to see they succeeded. However, I wouldn't say nobody saw it coming, Sony was advertising aggressively (as I assume they knew what they had on their hands). It's just that most media didn't take it seriously and laughed at it during all those State of Play events.
In an amusing twist, fact that nobody is taking it to seriously is exactly why it's working that great 😃
Re: Sony May Have Made the Right Call Not Copying Xbox Game Pass with PS Plus
@Darylb88 I agree Sony will follow in a few years, but I kind of wish they didn't. There are downsides to GP day and date model (quality, release cadence, amount of varied content) that people are mostly ignorant to, that Sony would surely inherit if they switched to similar service, simply to make it financially feasible. While there is a large population out there that is not phased by these concessions, me personally would rather opt out of such future.
Re: Sony May Have Made the Right Call Not Copying Xbox Game Pass with PS Plus
You must appreciate Sony for being open about the numbers, even when they are not great (as over the last few days). The fact that Xbox is being sneaky about their own, and tries to manipulate the opinion by cherry-picking just the ones they feel strong about (34 millions of subs), makes me believe they are doing far worse than Sony.
As for the strategies, and I don't want to offend anyone, it's easy to put your first party releases to the service day-1 when they are of questionable quality and are releasing to a smaller potential "buying" audience. GP started strong with 3rd party releases, but over the last half a year (probably more) it's been mostly disappointment for me. I still am subscribed to the service, but because I took advantage of extremely charitable exchange rate early on. No way I would subscribe full price, as a value for a casual gamer like me is just not there. (I tend to play smaller number of games, and I don't need to play them day-1, but I want them to be 9/10 and 10/10 experiences. Similar to how I don't watch every 6/10 movie, and concentrate only on pieces I'll remember/will leave lasting impression)
Re: Microsoft Allegedly Told Employees 'Every Screen Is an Xbox' Ahead of PS5 Port Speculation
I might be wrong here, but it seems to me Sony is converging toward the same goals.. they are starting with aggressive PC release schedule, trying to cut down wait between PS5 and PC release date. Microsoft did this some time back.. PS Plus PC version is a logical next step..
(I don't believe they will ever release their game for Series consoles though, as install base is probably not large enough)
Re: 13 More Games Coming to PS Plus Extra, Premium This Month
I'll take some Tales of Arise, thank you very much. Unbound I've already played, but it's definitely worth checking out (and with better graphics as I've played on XSS - is there a save transfer?).
Valhalla is probably considered big hitter, but not for me.
Re: PS5 Sales Touch 55 Million As Sony Breaks Revenue Records
I can't even imagine how bad Team Green is doing, given half the sales and more expensive unit production cost.
Re: Helldivers 2 (PS5) - The Best Co-Op Shooter on PS5
Well, that s*cks. I really wasn't planning on buying Helldivers 2
Re: Granblue Fantasy: Relink Sells Over 1 Million Copies in a Super Busy Release Schedule
Tried the demo, enjoyed it quite a bit. Reminds me of Xenoblade Chronicles mechanics with better graphics (XC is really held back by the under-powered platform). I'll pick it up eventually, that's for sure.
Re: Xbox's Multiplatform Plans to Be Revealed on Thursday
@dark_knightmare2 I'm well aware, I was really just playing dumb.. didn't really work.. I'll let myself out.
Re: Xbox's Multiplatform Plans to Be Revealed on Thursday
There is actually no indication MS is going multiplatform from that message. It's still all just rumors..
Re: The Last of Us 2 Remastered Europe's Best-Selling New Game of January, PS5 Sales Up
It's a great game, well deserved. Also, $10 upgrade path is the way to go for these re-releases, and I'm glad data is backing that up.
As far as the story goes though, sometimes it feels like people need to be reminded Joel is a fictional character in a game used to advance the plot. Events that transpire do that exceptionally well, it's supposed to s*ck and feel like a gut punch.
Re: Xbox Set to Announce Multi-Platform Plans Next Week
I've missed this feeling in gaming for a long time. Things just going bats*it crazy... yes!
Re: Poll: Are You Happy with Your PS Plus Essential Games for February 2024?
Didn't expect poll to be so negative. I happen to think these 3 games are just what Essential should be about. Oh well, to each their own.
Re: Poll: Are You Playing Granblue Fantasy: Relink?
@3Above my region specifically is usually subject to "local" tax unfortunately. Of course that is for physical releases, PS Store has normal prices.
Re: Poll: Are You Playing Granblue Fantasy: Relink?
Just a suggestion, but poll should have "Waiting for it to hit subscription service." option. And I'll be doing just that, as game looks good, but not 70€ good.
Re: Poll: How Would You Rate the Latest State of Play Showcase?
This was I believe a first State of Play I have not watched in real-time as I really didn't think any of the games were a must for me. But man, after watching it today, I was wrong. Pretty good offering, 5-6 games I'll keep a close eye on and few more that wouldn't surprise me ending up being great.
Re: State of Play Announced, Covering More Than 15 PS5, PSVR2 Games
Negativity is strong with this site.
Xbox had a showcase with 4 games (and surprising 5th) and everybody lost their mind how much content there was.
Sony does 15 games, everybody whines how there is nothing to play and console is an unbelievable disappointment.
Re: Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth Removes New Game +, Puts It Behind a DLC Paywall
This is a second news of a game launching with important content behind paywall today. And both launching day 1 to Game Pass. Not saying PS Plus launch would have been different, but this is the quality straight to services releases will bring you... :/
EDIT: Just learned Like A Dragon is not launching to GP. No idea what were they thinking.
Re: The Last of Us Part 2 Remastered (PS5) - A Near Perfect Package for New and Returning Fans
Totally don't care what haters are saying, Part 2 was/is a masterpiece and I can't wait to replay it on PS5 with these enhancements. Not sure graphics can get much better though, maybe next gen 😀
Re: You Should Get 'Comfortable' with Not Owning Your Games, Suggests Ubisoft Exec
It takes time to shift mentally from giving same amount of money for ownership to renting. It also takes time to buy into the idea of that being great value ☺️
Re: PS5 Had Sony's Best Year in Japan for Almost 20 Years
Honestly, after visiting first hand, Japan gaming scene is living and breathing Nintendo. I don't see anybody being able to compete, even with significantly better offerings (similar to how in large parts of EU PlayStation is synonymous with console gaming).
So having a good hardware year and beating direct competitor (Xbox) fares well for Sony. Realistic goals, that's all.