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@UltimateOtaku91 Maybe you can explain this to me because I don't understand the "waiting for the whole story argument". Is God Of War bad because you have to play upwards of 5 games to get the whole story and see Kratos' character development?

Is the Witcher bad for having to play 3 games to get the whole story? Or Uncharted? Or Lord Of The Rings? Why is it a problem for FF7 to have sequels that tell a complete narrative but everything else is Ay-Ok?

Not even trying to be rude or anything, this argument just never made sense to me and I'm tired of seeing it.

@Flaming_Kaiser You keep saying you're a huge FF7 fan like it makes your opinion carry more weight or something. No one cares how big a fan you are, I'm a huge fan too and I loved it so what does that mean?

Everyone's opinion is equal, new fans, old fans, ultra fans, it doesn't matter.

@QiaraIris This is a lot of misdirected hate. Nomura didn't write it and is actually always the one pushing for it to be more faithful and I think it's Nojima who is the one who wants to change things the most.

Kingdom Hearts ***** is just Final Fantasy ***** let's be real.

@ShogunRok I'm a week late but I'll say it anyway. I don't think or believe that it was switching between realities and it's more to do with Cloud denying what's happening in front of him in real time. There was what was really happening and what was happening in Clouds head and it was flicking between the two. That's my belief anyway, it's obviously confusing on purpose though.

@Zenos Depends where you look I guess. If you frequent sites like Reddit, Gamefaqs or even Push Square then yeah, there is a lot of negativity because that's what those sites feed off of. You only need to look at aggregate score sites like Opencritic to see how highly praised Rebirth is. It has scores comparable to the Witcher and Baldurs Gate and in my opinion deserves to stand with them as an all time great too.

Cool, I hope FF gets the attention it deserves in the future with multi-plat releases because it deserves all the praise it's been receiving lately.

I loved SMT 5 and can't wait for this but it feels like they released a game without 90% of its story and just said "it's cool, we'll release it in a couple of years as the SMT V Now With An Actual Plot Edition"

@Areus Yep. Capcom severely underappreciates some of its long standing IP's.

@Gitface I miss Breath Of Fire so damn much. 3 was one of my favourite rpgs growing up and just thinking of what they could do with dragon transformations with a bigger budget? Ahhh a man can dream.

Weird how they don't feel the same way about Devil May Cry despite how it sells better.

I hope it's not this year, I'm so not ready for another massive game yet.

Preorders available for the collectors edition at GAME in the UK right now. ShopTo and HMV for the standard editions just in case anyone was wondering!

Collectors edition available on GAME right now for anyone in the UK who sees this. Standard is available at HMV and ShopTo.

@TheAmbienWalrus It's a new IP so no strings attached.

@Czar_Khastik I've been watching the UK version of the official metaphor site for a couple weeks now which you can change to wherever you're located.

https://metaphor.atlus.com/index.html?lang=uk

It should hopefully update there but I've also been checking Amazon every so often since the P3 Reload Aigis Edition was sold on there.

Still waiting to preorder the collectors edition before they get eaten up by scalpers 😥

@Tatarimokke Hope you enjoy it!

@Tatarimokke It doesn't really have anything in common with FF but it does borrow a lot of elements from Nier (mostly story related). It has much more in common though with the things you said you enjoy like Souls elements in the combat and is obviously a Krpg so I'd say go for it if you enjoyed the demo.

Definitely a 9, sometimes an 8. It's no Nier Automata though so not sure what Yoko Taro was smoking.

@tameshiyaku I see what you mean, I wouldn't consider any of that to be rip off territory though. The way I see it, FF has been high fantasy with multiple races like 9, 14 or Sci fi fantasy like 7, 8,13 etc so why not dark fantasy?

It was interesting to see an FF take on gritty and honestly I think it could've easily been more violent. The violence from the demo drops off pretty hard afterwards and I kinda wish it kept that tone. Anyway, while it may share similarities I don't think calling it a straight copy is fair.

I mean GoT doesn't have massive Kaiju battles or a fight against God as far as I'm aware.

@8bit4Life It's certainly one of the better titles in the series. Like you say, I also don't really get hung up on what a Final Fantasy "should" be so I genuinely like pretty much every main title for different reasons. It's nice to see that fans like us do in fact exist lol

@Yorozayu Yeah the difficulty was definitely boosted in the DLC, leviathan especially. That DPS check was rough as hell. Really enjoying trying to nail the kairos gate, though I can only handle one run a day because it's quite time consuming.

Got my email a little while ago about the delay but mine should be shipping this week! The excitement begins.

I had some gripes with Rising Tide but overall it was still great stuff. The spectacle in 16 is absolutely unmatched.

The only trophy I'm missing is the kairos gate. Got most the stages s ranked just to die to Barnabas on the very last round 👌🏻Ranked 400 odd on the leaderboard though, that was nice.

@Savage_Joe Ahh Tik Tok rotted your brain eh?

@Savage_Joe Did you just try and uno reverse me? I don't know if you intended to just repeat what I said back at me Lmao i never said or implied that I have that information, that was my whole point. You made an example out of limited information to come to the conclusion that Rebirth had done poorly, I just did the exact same thing the other way to make a point.

Did you actually read my response?

@Savage_Joe Sure, an example based on incomplete and outdated data. The most recent we heard was that Rebirth had 2.21 million active players on launch day. Meaning that it probably sold even more than that on day 1 since not everyone plays on release even if they bought it.

It's sitting ahead of unicorn overlord in March in the US which sold over 500000 copies last we heard which was a month ago (worldwide) and we know that Rebirth has sold far more than that of course.

So, with all this very sparse data, we can assume that Rebirth is at least in the range of 3 million sales at this point. Using your mathematics, that would mean it's made $143M at least so far. I won't pretend to know what the budget was for the game and until we know more it's all just speculation.

This also isn't taking into account how much money Sony paid for exclusivity which could easily make the balance. Square Enix have been dead quiet and so it's easy to assume the worst but it's just so frustrating to see these articles pushing this narrative of FF games being a flop by using literal scraps of info.

Gaming journalism at its finest I suppose.

@tameshiyaku I agree with some of your criticism's of 16 but why do you always compare it to Game Of Thrones? They have nothing in common except the setting unless I'm missing something? Just being dark fantasy doesn't make it anywhere close to being like GoT.

@Savage_Joe Do you know how much it cost to make? And how much it's made? I'd love to know because all I'm seeing is assumptions and speculations.

Wake up babe! New Rebirth sales article just dropped!

Happy to see Dragons Dogma 2 and Rebirth both in the top 10! My two favourite games this year so far.

@Martijn87 Mentioning things like that in the article would make it too obvious that FF16 and Rebirth aren't to blame so of course those details are omitted.

@KeanuReaves They do this every single time there's an article about Square Enix. They keep pushing this narrative that FF is underselling and it's all disingenuous nonsense. Push Square is determined to die on this hill though.

Always look forward to more KH. Very excited for this new saga!

The discussion around this game is embarrassing.

I'm looking forward to it but Rebirth, Dogma and Elden Ring are eating up so much time right now. Seems a lot of people were more interested in Eve's booba than the actual game though...

Still don't understand how 2.5 million multiplatform is good and somehow 3 million on one platform is bad but I'm glad that DD2 has found success, I love the game and can't wait for more.

I really hope this turns out good, Final Fantasy x Devil May Cry? Hell yeah!

That sucks, I like a bit of romance in my Atlus games but definitely not a dealbreaker.

There's an increasing amount of games like this that drop a trailer and then disappear for years. Little devil inside is another recent one that comes to mind.

I eagerly await my copy! Apparently shipping in early May if there's no delays.

Rebirth finally has some competition this year then! Looking forward to it, hopefully I can get my hands on the collectors edition.

@Ravix Good idea, never thought about that. There's hope for us yet!

@Shepherd_Tallon Haha sorry, we know it's gonna happen though so best to try and prepare for it! I hate scalpers, they make getting anything from collectors editions to steelbooks to new consoles so unnecessarily difficult but I suppose we should really blame the people who are willing to pay them.

I bet scalpers are going to make claiming one of these an absolute nightmare.

@neillaw Button mashing isn't a viable strategy in either case so you can't "just button mash". It's a very poor argument. Abilities and ATB are still in the game and so is strategy. There's arguably more strategy in Rebirth then there ever was in the original, in which most battles were winnable by just pressing "attack".

@neillaw This just proves you haven't played Rebirth. If you button mash in Rebirth, you'll just end up dead...

I highly doubt that but I'm still looking forward to the game of course. Combat might be better but definitely not the characters and world.

Looks amazing, really looking forward to this one. Looks like Persona, SMT and Final Fantasy combined. Possible Goty contender on our hands!