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To say this wasn't what I was expecting would be a gross understatement. This looks awful. Like Wanted: Dead levels of bad.

Geoff was right not to get our hopes up eh?

Also... Lego Horizon. Why? Who asked?

The old title was cooler but I just really hope this is the comeback bioware needs. Though I do think it would have made sense to remaster the previous titles first.

I've just started so even thinking about mods is far too intimidating.

Phew. Thankfully I don't care about 90 percent of this which means I can catch up on everything else!

@ShogunRok It wasn't a published article or by you personally, no. I'm talking about Push Squares assistant Editor Liam Croft who gave Forspoken and FF7 Rebirth the same score which is baffling and he's written quite a few of the related sales articles if I'm not mistaken.

But as for the sales topic, I don't think you can deny that FF16 and Rebirth articles are always written from a very negative stance on this site. FF16 is in the top best selling (number 5 I think) PS5 games of all time but this site continuously tried to market it as a flop.

For a site that claims to care about context, you use a well known terrible journalist from Bloomberg as your source when it comes to talking about Rebirth's sales? When we all know very little is known about how much Rebirth sold but you keep making articles about it regardless.

We also know very little about Stellar Blades sales but you can't stop putting it on a pedestal of greatness in contrast to how you treat Rebirth. It's obvious to me there's some bias here.

I could say more but it's already close to deserving a TLDR so I'll stop.

Games already come out faster than i can play them so no thanks.

@jolteon23 You think Rebirth cost 250 million? Have you got a source for that? Because that sounds ridiculous.

@UltimateOtaku91 Came here to say the same thing but now I don't need to! I suppose we shouldn't be surprised. This is the same site where one of their reviewers (Liam Croft I think?) gave Forspoken and Rebirth the same score 7/10 🙄

@Jaz007 It's cool. It's crazy that accepting you're wrong is such a rare thing, especially on the Internet. You called me out and you were right, better to accept and grow than to deny and make a fool of myself!

@Jaz007 You're right, I assumed, which was wrong of me. However people don't assume for no good reason, there are many people excusing the inaccuracy of the series except when it comes to Shadows.

Your pass for Da Vinci is strange though. In the argument of historical accuracy, the tech wasn't available and so shouldn't have been in the game but whatever.

I'm going to stay out of this argument. I just get heated and say things out of place. I apologise for assuming, I know when I'm wrong and get what you're saying.

Still, Naoe exists and so there is a Japanese protagonist that people can play and I still don't see the problem personally.

@Jaz007 So if they just didn't name him Yasuke, would it still be a problem? I just find it weird that you all only have a problem with historical inaccuracy when you have to play a black man in Japan.

It wasn't the pieces of Eden or Adam and Eve Or playing as Odin himself and taking part in Ragnarok or Da Vinci building tanks. It was the black man in Japan that ruined it for you? How am I supposed to see it as anything but veiled racism?

@Jaz007 How does it not make sense though? Yasuke existed. If Edward Kenway makes sense then Yasuke makes even more sense on account of being actually real.

Ignoring the racism for a moment (though maybe it applies here too) why do people keep pretending Naoe doesn't exist?

"we wanted a Japanese protagonist in Japan!" there's a Japanese protagonist right there but people seem to be ignoring her because she's a woman and what they really wanted was a Japanese man.

Now that these Racist/Sexist gamers have to choose between a black man or a woman, they're having an absolute meltdown. Kinda hilarious to watch really.

All of this backlash however will have the exact same effect on AC as it did on Hogwarts Legacy which is to say absolutely nothing.

I'm going to be a very old man by the time I get round to some of these games.

Even if I have been disappointed in AC's recent games; I will 100% be getting this. I've been waiting for AC Japan for far too long and you get to play as Yasuke!? (granted I'll mainly play the Ninja but still cool!)

@Kingdom_Hearts95 I'm glad someone else pointed it out. The wording struck me as incredibly hypocritical as soon as I saw it.

If its another mobile game I'm going to be very upset.

@get2sammyb Not to be rude but don't pretend that on this site you don't feed off of clickbait doom titles. You make one about Square Enix at least once a week.

You don't seem to care too much about context in those cases.

@Dramlin I feel like missing the mark is intentional at this point. Even using the bloomberg "sales analyst" as a supposedly legitimate source is laughable on its own.

@invictus4000 This isn't anything against you but it's kind of ironic you mention everything after 9 because 9 is one of the worst selling FF titles (I also think 9 is fantastic by the way, no hate)

Why are the best FF games the ones that underperform 😔

@Flaming_Kaiser You clearly don't only give your personal opinion though because you keep speaking for other people.

FF still sells more than 99% of JRPG's the problem is that FF made a name for itself for being the big budget cutting edge JRPG series but the amount of people interested in said games doesn't add up to the growing development costs to keep it that way.

You're not breaking anything to me because i am part of the existing fanbase. I am an OG FF7 fan but you seem to be missing my point.

@Flaming_Kaiser I could flip that though, I'm a huge FF fan and I buy the games, figures, soundtracks, posters etc I love Rebirth so clearly if a huge FF fan like me loves it then things must be going incredibly well.

Do you get what I'm saying and why what you're trying to imply is ridiculous?
I could just say maybe you're not as big a fan as you thought you were.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean squat. Just like me loving it amounts to the same thing.

All i will say is, most people who have played it have enjoyed it and you can look at reviews across the board that speak for themselves. Take that for what you will.

@UltimateOtaku91 Sure but you still know that you're going to have to wait upwards of 3-5 years to see it continue. If anything, knowing 7's story already should make the wait easier.

Anyone who claims greed is lacking in intelligence. This was a risky undertaking which they knew in the first place from the creatives of the original who wanted to do something bigger. Greed is part of the process perhaps, they are a business but ultimately you can see the care that's put into it from the development team.

@UltimateOtaku91 Maybe you can explain this to me because I don't understand the "waiting for the whole story argument". Is God Of War bad because you have to play upwards of 5 games to get the whole story and see Kratos' character development?

Is the Witcher bad for having to play 3 games to get the whole story? Or Uncharted? Or Lord Of The Rings? Why is it a problem for FF7 to have sequels that tell a complete narrative but everything else is Ay-Ok?

Not even trying to be rude or anything, this argument just never made sense to me and I'm tired of seeing it.

@Flaming_Kaiser You keep saying you're a huge FF7 fan like it makes your opinion carry more weight or something. No one cares how big a fan you are, I'm a huge fan too and I loved it so what does that mean?

Everyone's opinion is equal, new fans, old fans, ultra fans, it doesn't matter.

@QiaraIris This is a lot of misdirected hate. Nomura didn't write it and is actually always the one pushing for it to be more faithful and I think it's Nojima who is the one who wants to change things the most.

Kingdom Hearts ***** is just Final Fantasy ***** let's be real.

@ShogunRok I'm a week late but I'll say it anyway. I don't think or believe that it was switching between realities and it's more to do with Cloud denying what's happening in front of him in real time. There was what was really happening and what was happening in Clouds head and it was flicking between the two. That's my belief anyway, it's obviously confusing on purpose though.

@Zenos Depends where you look I guess. If you frequent sites like Reddit, Gamefaqs or even Push Square then yeah, there is a lot of negativity because that's what those sites feed off of. You only need to look at aggregate score sites like Opencritic to see how highly praised Rebirth is. It has scores comparable to the Witcher and Baldurs Gate and in my opinion deserves to stand with them as an all time great too.

Cool, I hope FF gets the attention it deserves in the future with multi-plat releases because it deserves all the praise it's been receiving lately.

I loved SMT 5 and can't wait for this but it feels like they released a game without 90% of its story and just said "it's cool, we'll release it in a couple of years as the SMT V Now With An Actual Plot Edition"

@Areus Yep. Capcom severely underappreciates some of its long standing IP's.

@Gitface I miss Breath Of Fire so damn much. 3 was one of my favourite rpgs growing up and just thinking of what they could do with dragon transformations with a bigger budget? Ahhh a man can dream.

Weird how they don't feel the same way about Devil May Cry despite how it sells better.

I hope it's not this year, I'm so not ready for another massive game yet.

Preorders available for the collectors edition at GAME in the UK right now. ShopTo and HMV for the standard editions just in case anyone was wondering!

Collectors edition available on GAME right now for anyone in the UK who sees this. Standard is available at HMV and ShopTo.

@TheAmbienWalrus It's a new IP so no strings attached.

@Czar_Khastik I've been watching the UK version of the official metaphor site for a couple weeks now which you can change to wherever you're located.

https://metaphor.atlus.com/index.html?lang=uk

It should hopefully update there but I've also been checking Amazon every so often since the P3 Reload Aigis Edition was sold on there.

Still waiting to preorder the collectors edition before they get eaten up by scalpers 😥

@Tatarimokke Hope you enjoy it!

@Tatarimokke It doesn't really have anything in common with FF but it does borrow a lot of elements from Nier (mostly story related). It has much more in common though with the things you said you enjoy like Souls elements in the combat and is obviously a Krpg so I'd say go for it if you enjoyed the demo.

Definitely a 9, sometimes an 8. It's no Nier Automata though so not sure what Yoko Taro was smoking.

@tameshiyaku I see what you mean, I wouldn't consider any of that to be rip off territory though. The way I see it, FF has been high fantasy with multiple races like 9, 14 or Sci fi fantasy like 7, 8,13 etc so why not dark fantasy?

It was interesting to see an FF take on gritty and honestly I think it could've easily been more violent. The violence from the demo drops off pretty hard afterwards and I kinda wish it kept that tone. Anyway, while it may share similarities I don't think calling it a straight copy is fair.

I mean GoT doesn't have massive Kaiju battles or a fight against God as far as I'm aware.

@8bit4Life It's certainly one of the better titles in the series. Like you say, I also don't really get hung up on what a Final Fantasy "should" be so I genuinely like pretty much every main title for different reasons. It's nice to see that fans like us do in fact exist lol

@Yorozayu Yeah the difficulty was definitely boosted in the DLC, leviathan especially. That DPS check was rough as hell. Really enjoying trying to nail the kairos gate, though I can only handle one run a day because it's quite time consuming.

Got my email a little while ago about the delay but mine should be shipping this week! The excitement begins.

I had some gripes with Rising Tide but overall it was still great stuff. The spectacle in 16 is absolutely unmatched.

The only trophy I'm missing is the kairos gate. Got most the stages s ranked just to die to Barnabas on the very last round 👌🏻Ranked 400 odd on the leaderboard though, that was nice.

@Savage_Joe Ahh Tik Tok rotted your brain eh?