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@Savage_Joe Did you just try and uno reverse me? I don't know if you intended to just repeat what I said back at me Lmao i never said or implied that I have that information, that was my whole point. You made an example out of limited information to come to the conclusion that Rebirth had done poorly, I just did the exact same thing the other way to make a point.

Did you actually read my response?

@Savage_Joe Sure, an example based on incomplete and outdated data. The most recent we heard was that Rebirth had 2.21 million active players on launch day. Meaning that it probably sold even more than that on day 1 since not everyone plays on release even if they bought it.

It's sitting ahead of unicorn overlord in March in the US which sold over 500000 copies last we heard which was a month ago (worldwide) and we know that Rebirth has sold far more than that of course.

So, with all this very sparse data, we can assume that Rebirth is at least in the range of 3 million sales at this point. Using your mathematics, that would mean it's made $143M at least so far. I won't pretend to know what the budget was for the game and until we know more it's all just speculation.

This also isn't taking into account how much money Sony paid for exclusivity which could easily make the balance. Square Enix have been dead quiet and so it's easy to assume the worst but it's just so frustrating to see these articles pushing this narrative of FF games being a flop by using literal scraps of info.

Gaming journalism at its finest I suppose.

@tameshiyaku I agree with some of your criticism's of 16 but why do you always compare it to Game Of Thrones? They have nothing in common except the setting unless I'm missing something? Just being dark fantasy doesn't make it anywhere close to being like GoT.

@Savage_Joe Do you know how much it cost to make? And how much it's made? I'd love to know because all I'm seeing is assumptions and speculations.

Wake up babe! New Rebirth sales article just dropped!

Happy to see Dragons Dogma 2 and Rebirth both in the top 10! My two favourite games this year so far.

@Martijn87 Mentioning things like that in the article would make it too obvious that FF16 and Rebirth aren't to blame so of course those details are omitted.

@KeanuReaves They do this every single time there's an article about Square Enix. They keep pushing this narrative that FF is underselling and it's all disingenuous nonsense. Push Square is determined to die on this hill though.

Always look forward to more KH. Very excited for this new saga!

The discussion around this game is embarrassing.

I'm looking forward to it but Rebirth, Dogma and Elden Ring are eating up so much time right now. Seems a lot of people were more interested in Eve's booba than the actual game though...

Still don't understand how 2.5 million multiplatform is good and somehow 3 million on one platform is bad but I'm glad that DD2 has found success, I love the game and can't wait for more.

I really hope this turns out good, Final Fantasy x Devil May Cry? Hell yeah!

That sucks, I like a bit of romance in my Atlus games but definitely not a dealbreaker.

There's an increasing amount of games like this that drop a trailer and then disappear for years. Little devil inside is another recent one that comes to mind.

I eagerly await my copy! Apparently shipping in early May if there's no delays.

Rebirth finally has some competition this year then! Looking forward to it, hopefully I can get my hands on the collectors edition.

@Ravix Good idea, never thought about that. There's hope for us yet!

@Shepherd_Tallon Haha sorry, we know it's gonna happen though so best to try and prepare for it! I hate scalpers, they make getting anything from collectors editions to steelbooks to new consoles so unnecessarily difficult but I suppose we should really blame the people who are willing to pay them.

I bet scalpers are going to make claiming one of these an absolute nightmare.

@neillaw Button mashing isn't a viable strategy in either case so you can't "just button mash". It's a very poor argument. Abilities and ATB are still in the game and so is strategy. There's arguably more strategy in Rebirth then there ever was in the original, in which most battles were winnable by just pressing "attack".

@neillaw This just proves you haven't played Rebirth. If you button mash in Rebirth, you'll just end up dead...

I highly doubt that but I'm still looking forward to the game of course. Combat might be better but definitely not the characters and world.

Looks amazing, really looking forward to this one. Looks like Persona, SMT and Final Fantasy combined. Possible Goty contender on our hands!

More cutscenes for side quests? I'm going to have to play it again at some point aren't I? 3rd playthrough here we go!

@Nei Oh God... I'm getting PTSD. That was horrible.

Awesome! Can't wait for thursday, I'll play this before doing my hard mode run for Rebirth. So much FF it almost feels like the 90's again.

@Strikke and yet this wasn't reported by push square who seem to love using japan charts any other time... How strange eh? 🤔

I hope the next mainline game follows more Rebirth than 16 but I do love both and will generally be happy either way. The combat in Rebirth is some of the best in the industry and I don't want to see it just fade away after part 3.

@Supern0va I find it hard to believe that any fan of FF7 wouldn't find something to love in Rebirth. The level of care and attention to detail when it comes to the characters and world is truly phenomenal and I thought personally that the ending was perfect but that's more of a love it or hate it situation.

The story at its core is still exactly the same. There's a lot of side content but you can ignore most of it or all of it if you wanted. I'd say if you ever get the time, from one FF7 fan to another, give it a fair shake!

The silence from Square Enix isn't that surprising if you think about when they celebrated FF16's sales reaching 3 million, most articles were slamming it for being too low or even trying to paint it as a flop. Maybe they want to avoid the same situation? Though if that's the case, it's certainly not working 😅

It has sold 3 million at least though, I'd bet money on that.

@Strikke Nomura is always getting the blame for things he had no involvement in isn't he? Feel bad for the guy honestly. People just parrot what they see online and assume he's the guy to blame.

Rebirth being in the number 1 spot on push square is beautifully ironic considering how much they seem to be taking any shot they can to downplay it's success.

What is going on with Push Square? The FF bashing is insane and they're not even trying to hide it. It's just blatantly obvious at this point.

I can't wait. Just finished Rebirth and holy hell... I really want to see what they can pull off in part 3.

The sales analysts are at it again. I wish Square would just release the sales numbers already.

@Pat_trick It's a poll that is currently at 1000 votes out of like what, 50 million ps5 users? I don't think a poll on push square means diddly squat lol

That aside, I don't really care about framerate as long as it's consistently 30 or 60. My eyes adjust after a while either way.

Edit: I originally said 5 million when I should've said 50 million because I'm stupid.

@GigaGaia I was going to say the same thing. Articles for FF16 and FF7 Rebirth have been heavily critical when it comes to sales. But DD2 sells 2.5 million? Amazing! I love both series and so I'm happy for them but it's so obvious how hypocritical PushSquare have been lately.

It's a 10 for me personally. I recognize it's flaws but DD scratches an itch that literally no other game can. There's just no other game like Dragon's Dogma.

Following the trend of every game ever being open world eh? Hopefully it pays off.

@Doctor_BK They don't explain the nuance though. Not here and not in their FF articles either. If they did, they would mention that this is Japan and their numbers for games that aren't Nintendo or handheld have been on the decline for years and so their numbers are not indicative of the bigger picture and so to take it with a pinch of salt.

Instead they try to imply that these numbers show signs of disappointing sales which without Digital and without numbers from other countries is jumping to conclusions by a huge amount.

Dragons Dogma 2 was bound to be divisive just like the first and now with a much bigger playerbase, it's just been even louder.

To me, what makes DD and DD2 fantastic is that their exploration, fun combat and sense of adventure is entirely unmatched by any other JRPG.

Oh and the games insane attention to small details and hidden areas and loot. There is just nothing quite like Dragon's Dogma and it feels like you either love it or hate it at this point.

@CrackmanNL I know, FF16 and Rebirth have both done very well but PushSquare keeps pushing the narrative that they're big flops or something.

Dragons Dogma 2's performance has been fine for me except in densely populated cities but in combat with multiple goblins, a minotaur, a griffin and spells popping off everywhere it still runs really smooth. Not 60fps smooth maybe but I honestly never cared about all the framerate discourse.

@Doctor_BK "In any case, these are merely decent figures. As always, it's important to note that these charts only count physical sales — but no one would blame you for thinking heavily marketed releases like Dragon's Dogma 2 and Rise of the Ronin should be doing a bit better for themselves."

And then
" Elsewhere, Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth remains in the top ten, but with sales still slipping — it sold just 7,100 units last week — it's only a matter of time until it's gone."

" merely decent" "should be doing a bit better" "sold just 7100 units" all things said to make these games sound like they're doing poorly. Am I wrong? Push square has a track record of making these articles about game sales recently. Especially if it's a Square Enix game. They love those.

Why do these articles always try and make these sales numbers from Japan sound so disappointing? Its so weird and unnecessary. Feels like engagement/rage bait.

@DennisReynolds Looks like I'm going to have to play as a thief now then! I wonder what things I've missed not knowing that, it's going to drive me crazy now... I wonder if having a Pawn with the same ability would have the same effect? I love how much depth Dragons Dogma has, really hope they continue to support it with DLC and such!

I'll play it eventually, Rebirth and Dragons Dogma 2 are going to take a while then I'll be playing Baldurs Gate 3 and Stellar Blade... Then Granblue Fantasy and Like A Dragon... So maybe I'll get round to it once I'm old and retired.

Putting the MTX and dips in performance aside. This game is goated. Dragons Dogma is in my top 3 so there's no surprise I'd love the sequel. It's a shame that it's blown up for all the wrong reasons though, even if deserved.

Can't wait! So much good Final Fantasy content right now.16 and FF7Rebirth compliment each other nicely. Both great games in their own right.

@dark_knightmare2 For real though, there's some very clear bias on this site sometimes. If Rebirth did something similar, they'd be all over it I imagine.