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The pleasure we can take from this is that scalpers are going to be out of pocket if they snapped some up hoping to make money.

@Shalooda For me this gen has been about the load times. That was the main reason for the upgrade as the exclusives themselves are rather limited. The DualSense is a nice bonus. The PS6 needs to justify its price with more that just graphics and frame rates to justify a price that high. A disc drive for starters and if it can play all your old discs for PS5, PS4 as well as PS3 then I would be there day 1 for a higher price than the PS5 Pro.

I think the investment in this for the 3-4 years before it is replaced by the PS6 don't really justify the outlay for me. The second hand market for these will be weak unless the cost of the PS6 is ridiculous and not backwards compatible.

I will wait until the PS6 in a few years. They will probably stop making games for the PS4 by then. I'll use my money for a Switch 2 in the meantime. Seems like Sony rush out their Pro consoles a few months before the Switch and Switch 2. That combo this time is going to be approaching double the price of the PS4 Pro plus Switch combo.

@Hundred_Hand_Slap They didn't employ him for his sense of humour, obviously.

Should have made it available to accounts that had at least 5 years PS Plus subs. That would stop the scalpers.

I don't care about the character I play in a game as long as it is enjoyable.
On character creation screens I just cycle through 3 or 4 random creations and roll with it. I do like them to have blue hair if that is an option though.

12394 would have been a better number for the PS5 Pro consoles bundles.

Hoping for a Bloodborne remaster reveal so everyone can move on to the next remaster we are all hankering for, the Knack duology!

@get2sammyb The PS6 will be a thing and likely a PS7 as long as the PS6 sell like the PS5 but the handheld PS6 is the rumour here. Hoping it's not just a PS Portal 2.

The PS5 Pro is now announced so the rumour mill moves on to the next big thing.

At least they won't be charging for the PS5 Pro upgrades on these remasters.
He doesn't state it is a PS4 game explicitly, just implied, so we can hope it is a slightly older game.

I'll stick with the free PS4 version from a couple of years ago that they gave away.

I am looking forward to playing PS4 games on the PS6.

$25 for a mug. Got to make up the costs of this game somehow I guess.

@LuXifer I thought exactly the same. Either that or when the bosses left they pulled a Jerry Maguire and they all Renee Zellwegered (don't know her characters name as it isn't in the movie title).

I can't see the PS5 Pro selling that many units by that time unless the cost of the PS6 is ridiculous or it doesn't release until around 2029.

It's an increase of 80% in the UK over the digital PS5 slim and 67% with the disc drive versus the disc version.

@Golem25 It looks like The Crew 2 is currently 79p in the UK so worth picking up now.

Technically the Pro is cheaper than a lot of people paid for a launch PS5. I can't see scalpers being able to double the retail price of one of these though.

If it was aimed at the hardcore audience it should have included a disc drive.

I hope they show Concord running on it.

Just wait for a sale. I got a black one with Forbidden West for £45 the other year. Good old Argos.

@jrt87 I'd like to think they would give it another go as F2P but you are probably right.

Maybe a F2P relaunch around that time will be the best chance this has at a second life.

Knack 3 not looking like such a bad idea now!

Live service games are like your local pub. You occasionally go to different pubs and dabble in the new ones that open, a rarity these days, but you always go back to what and who you know.

If they go F2P it won't cost much to refund the 25000 who bought it I guess. Has the game actually got much in the way of microtransactions to make money though?

Why bother with this when you see the sales of PS vs Xbox and it is at best for Xbox 10% vs 90% for PS?

Most people who are caught by this will still shell out for the next early access game from Ubisoft as the FOMO is just too strong.
I assume the update will give them a message saying this or there will be a lot of people who just blindly carry on.

The deal was you can do an episode of God of War as long as you do one for Concord.

Those that plan on playing it later down the line are hopeful unless that later is before the end of this year.

8 years to develop and it will likely be dead within a year of release. Seems like a waste of time to me.

This is just for next year's COD.

I hope the boat sequence near the end doesn't take me as long this time around. Seemed to take me forever all those years ago. It was about 5 in the morning by the tine I got to that point though.

I think game prices are set now to counteract all of the 'I'll wait for a sale/PS Plus" crew. If people want to subsidise the more thrifty of us, then let them knock themselves out.

The facial animations appear as though all the characters have had a lot of plastic surgery to me. Especially the female character with the stiff upper lip, literal rather than figurative.

At least it beat the PS3. Wonder when/if the Series X/S will hit that milestone.

I got about 15 hours logged on Steamdeck and that is about my limit. Fun for a bit but gets old quickly. OK for the price point.

The price point almost had me, but the buy it so we can make a sequel con is making it even more tempting. Although we all know it has minimal chance of happening, that glimmer of hope is worth £20 for me.

@mariomaster96 It would be a breath of fresh air and it would lower expectations.

That way of inviting someone seems more convoluted than just inviting direct via the console?

I think the people in charge of money at Microsoft have been watched Field of Dreams or Wayne's World 2 too many times. People don't just turn up if you build it. You need to tell people what you've built.

@The_Pixel_King I believe you should just be able to purchase this as a one off rather than go with a Premium sub. It should work out cheaper unless there are other games on that tier you want to play as well.

@GamingFan4Lyf That's about as far as I got as well. Played the previous one until completion but just wasn't feeling this one at the time. Maybe when GTA VI comes out I will be ready for V.

@GamingFan4Lyf That doesn't explain PS Store purchases though does it as you can only buy it there once? Unless you can buy it on a different profile and get the currency on your main?

The list from 20-2 was interesting. We all knew what would be number 1.

The amount of time the Sands of Time remake is taking doesn't seem to fit this fill the release schedule business as they don't seem to be very quick on that front.

@riceNpea I have a feeling bit is going to be like now but worse and warmer obviously.

I remember enjoying this one back in the day. Not sure if I want to give it another go if it hasn't aged well but the trophies may draw me in.