Oh course they have to price drop as well. if not match, at least reduce the distance. Even though they are selling well, PS4 preference will not cope with that parity and the biggest selling factor for the PS4 in the US is that it is the biggest selling console. Momentum. Losing that to MS for the holidays would be madness. They MUST compete on price! That was one of the PS4s winning factors in the beginning. They cannot give it up.
@Paranoimia I agree with you. There is no question they screwed up, and it is still not completely fixed, but I think that "some" of the dialog around this has got out of hand. I think to BF4 which took EA 6 months to largely make work. I think of SimCity. There are many other launch disasters. I am not making any excuses for Evolution. They should have a done true beta and will have learnt their lesson.
Buy buying new servers (even ordering them) takes time, set up etc. Things have improved and I believe will get there. It is overall a very good game and I believe will be a good part of PS4s stable moving forward (like BF4 and SimSity are good games!), albeit always tainted by its launch.
Cries of a refund are well premature. Though some free cars/DLC would go a long way to saying thanks for your patients.
Unfortunately these aren't my sort of games. Just can't get into them. Same with most older style games/remakes. Glad it is being made and there is a market for them though. Clearly I am in the minority. I hope the movie is a big success.
Minecraft is a fantastic game, completely addictive and as the article states on the Vita is a match made in heaven. The large OLED screen and dual stick controls make it a much better experience than on a phone. Not quite as nice as on the PS4, but I would argue the best handheld version going around. Could not recommend it enough. But I am an unabashed fan.
I don't understand all the comments about not wanting to buy or wasting money having bought a ps4. I find the logic backwards. The system in better in virtually every respect. The missing dlna etc will come soon. Owning a ps4, give me one reason to turn my ps3 on? Honestly I only use it now for play TV.
Have bought the odd bit of dlc, don't mind it as long as it is reasonably priced and not clearly ripped out of the game for a money grab. TLOU DLC is the best I have ever played. Blew me away. I refused to buy the omega dlc from ME3 because it was just a money grab. The main story even referred to the mission. Typical EA and I refused to play ball.
Have never bought a season pass because I typically move on to another game. So much to play. I would not get my money's worth.
@Godsire- Not necessarily. The vision for this game has some very unique qualities that have the potential for it to stand apart. The persistent world, the environment destruction and interactions, the blend of multiplayer/single player.
I was very hyped for this game, but am now a bit more "wait and see" basically because Watch Dogs disappointed me so much. Watch Dogs is a good game in so many respects, but somehow managed to be less than the sum of its parts.
It is exactly the sort of game I love, and I was enjoying it for a while, especially the hacking, but just got bored so haven't even finished the main story yet, which I never do. It is hard to put my finger on why. I think the side missions were its main failure. They are tedious and often not related to the game/story in any meaningful way at all. Just a grind to level up.
I am hoping this doesn't fall into the same trap. So I hear you. You may be right, but I hope not.
BTW - Great interview Sammy. Will they pull it off on the PS4 is a huge question. Still not 100% convinced despite the answer.
It has been working for me since yesterday. No issue going online, accessing club features or joining multi-player races. Maybe I haven't tested everything, but nothing has failed for me in the last 24 hours. Fingers crossed it continues. At the very least it is a huge improvement.
Interestingly, the online features have worked perfectly for me this afternoon for an extended period. I was able to join multi-player races etc. Not one dropout. Fingers crossed, they have finally fixed the server issues.
The whole situation is clearly a debacle. it is hard to imagine a launch going worse. However, considering what has happened, I do agree with Evolution's stance that they have to make the game work as promised for those who have paid for it, before giving the game away free to PS+ users, which would only make the online worse through more traffic.
I hope the issues are sorted soon, but not yet convinced. Nov PS+ update is the earliest I can imagine the free version coming out.
I actually think this delay is a good thing. Nov is just crazy with games and there were too many car games in a short space. If it gived them more time to finish things off then all the better, and people will be looking for a new car game again. This will help project cars all round.
@SanderEvers I think the delay means the WiiU version releasing at the same time is at least a possibility , but honestly don't hold your breath.
From the bits I can play of the game it is great. Just amazing how broken the online is. Really hoping they get it sorted and soon, because the social features are the focus of the whole game. It is hard to understand what the root cause of the problem is. Whether they need more hardware/severs, coding fixes, both or just completely broken.
I am also not convinced that XBO's holiday line-up will stop the PS4 train either. Not because the XBO doesn't have a better holiday "exclusive" line-up, it does. BUT, big hitters during the coming holidays aren't exclusives (COD, Dragon Age, Assassins Creed, Far Cry etc) and most of them will be preferred to play (better res etc) on the PS4. The one exception is Halo, but not sure that a remaster will be enough to sell an XBO to 360 owners who have already played them, or lure PS3 owners when Destiny exists. I actually think it is smart not to release many big exclusives this holiday season, because it is already saturated. There is no room. As always, time will tell.
@WARDIE Agree, agree, agree. Loving the PS4, enjoying the games, but the server issues (Driveclub and PSN in general) need to get sorted. It is not spoiling it for me at this stage, but clearly it can't continue. Also looking forward to more OS updates, but Sony is correct in not making them core/priority.
@get2sammyb I'm not very good at waiting. Bought the PS+ version last night. Offline is good so far, but online is broken as expected. Interested to have a multiplayer race. Even when I can connect to the server, it never makes it through matchmaking. Oh well .Waiting for updates. At least I knew what I was getting.
Sick of waiting for the PS+ edition, which looks like it could be a month away. So, considering getting the retail version, which I always planned to do eventually anyway. Just struggling with buying a game I know is broken (hoping it will be fixed).
Downloading minecraft Vita as I type. yay! Unfortunately it is only cross-buy with PS3 (where you can also share save files), not PS4, so I have bought it again. Still worth it.
Anyone know what hte deal is with Freedom Wars on the Vita. I thought it was already released, but I cannot see it in the store.
I actually miss Move. It was a shame that all the content dried up. But I guess the whole motion controlled genre died. Morpheus will bring it all back and be just as short lived. Still, I will probably hop on that train too while it lasts.
Time will tell, but I find it hard to believe in the month Destiny launched. I recon he's very wrong.
For whatever it is worth, VGChartz has XBO at 250k and PS4 at 400k in NA for Sept. Doesn't prove anything, but it is usually indicative.
Also, on Amazon US the back PS4 has stayed in the top 10 bestseller all Sept and the white Destiny bundle was also in the top 10 for most most of the month only occationally dropping into the teens. The XBO by comparison was as in the 30s all month. Also proves nothing but does backup VGChartz in that the PS4 has with 2 top 10 skus well outsold the XBO with only 1 at around the 30 mark.
Would love to know where Pratcher is getting this idea from?
Ignoring the fact of whether it is fun or not, surely this should win an award for one of the ugliest looking games on record. Even allowing for the retro art style, they are some of the worst graphics I have ever seen. Luckily is sounds like it plays better than it looks.
I think the white looks amazing. If I didn't already own a black, I would pick up the white. I have bought a white controller for my second one. But alas, I have no need for a second PS4...
Anyone have any idea when the PS+ edition will be release in Australia? It is still not up in the store. I heard it was release in the UK, Is that correct?
If they want to avoid the crush, they need to release a week early, not a week late. Not sure this will help them. People's money will already have been spent.
@WARDIE You still own a Atari 2600 ? Oh that's awesome. It was my first console too! Have you really kept it that long? (is so, I'm not worthy), or did you track a second hand one down? I still play the odd Atari game on the PC, simulated using Stella.
There is no way this is a scam. It is an unmitigated disaster. No company would do that to themselves. It will be interesting to see if DC can recover from this, my guess is only partially. They have potentially halved their sales IMO.
People are not upset by the resolution itself per se, but at the idea of gimping and not allowing the game to be the best it can be on every platform. There is a solid belief that the PS4 can run this game at 1080p based on the success of other games to achieve that benchmark. People want the best version possible, not a scaled back one due to some marketing idea of equity. That whole concepts stinks of looking after MS as the XBO is less capable and they are sponsoring that game. Difficult for MS to get value for money when their sponsored game runs better on the competition.
That is what is clearly in play. The web community is not stupid and saw thought the comment in a heart beat. If Ubisoft doesn't change their mind and release a "best possible" PS4 version which I am 100% convinced would be 1080p on PS4, (60fps maybe/maybe not.) then they will lose PS4 sales. It will still sell well on PS4, but there will be a boycott to a degree. Sales will drop. So there is a money impact to their decision. Just a question of how much, which is hard to predict.
@get2sammyb How can a site criticise a game for not being open world, when it is not trying to be? That makes no sense. Its not a gaming requirement...
The Last of Us was rubbish, because it wasn't open world?! I assume it is a FH comparison, but I am still lost.
This game's DNA is about social features. It should rise and fall on how it make them work as a racing game, not lack of open world which is a legitimate design decision.
There are only 6 reviews out so far, so way too early to tell. In any case, I will download my PS+ version tomorrow and decide for myself.
For all its flaws, it is personally the best gun-play I have ever experienced in a game. Despite all the criticism (some of which is warranted) I think that the reason everyone keeps playing is clear. The core game-play is awesome. That is what brings people back. If someone is looking for a shooter, I cannot think of one I would recommend over it.
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Re: Talking Point: How Does Sony Solve a Problem Like Xbox One Price Cuts?
Oh course they have to price drop as well. if not match, at least reduce the distance. Even though they are selling well, PS4 preference will not cope with that parity and the biggest selling factor for the PS4 in the US is that it is the biggest selling console. Momentum. Losing that to MS for the holidays would be madness. They MUST compete on price! That was one of the PS4s winning factors in the beginning. They cannot give it up.
Re: You May Be Able to Get a Refund for Written Off PS4 Racer DriveClub
@Paranoimia I agree with you. There is no question they screwed up, and it is still not completely fixed, but I think that "some" of the dialog around this has got out of hand. I think to BF4 which took EA 6 months to largely make work. I think of SimCity. There are many other launch disasters. I am not making any excuses for Evolution. They should have a done true beta and will have learnt their lesson.
Buy buying new servers (even ordering them) takes time, set up etc. Things have improved and I believe will get there. It is overall a very good game and I believe will be a good part of PS4s stable moving forward (like BF4 and SimSity are good games!), albeit always tainted by its launch.
Cries of a refund are well premature. Though some free cars/DLC would go a long way to saying thanks for your patients.
Re: Ratchet & Clank's PS4 Remake Will Include All New Assets
Unfortunately these aren't my sort of games. Just can't get into them. Same with most older style games/remakes. Glad it is being made and there is a market for them though. Clearly I am in the minority. I hope the movie is a big success.
Re: Review: Minecraft: PS Vita Edition (PlayStation Vita)
@ZeD Yep!
Re: Review: Minecraft: PS Vita Edition (PlayStation Vita)
Minecraft is a fantastic game, completely addictive and as the article states on the Vita is a match made in heaven. The large OLED screen and dual stick controls make it a much better experience than on a phone. Not quite as nice as on the PS4, but I would argue the best handheld version going around. Could not recommend it enough. But I am an unabashed fan.
Re: Does LittleBigPlanet 3 Look Much Better on the PS4?
I don't understand all the comments about not wanting to buy or wasting money having bought a ps4. I find the logic backwards. The system in better in virtually every respect. The missing dlna etc will come soon. Owning a ps4, give me one reason to turn my ps3 on? Honestly I only use it now for play TV.
Re: The Unfinished Swan Picks Up Its Paintbrush on PS4 and Vita Next Week
As it is cross but ps4/vita I'm in. Played the demo on ps3 and enjoyed it. Just never quite made the plunge. Do you know if it is cross save?
Re: PS4 Firmware Update 2.00 Will Release on 28th October
Yay. Great news. Can't wait.
Re: Talking Point: Do You Ever Stump Up for Season Passes?
Have bought the odd bit of dlc, don't mind it as long as it is reasonably priced and not clearly ripped out of the game for a money grab. TLOU DLC is the best I have ever played. Blew me away. I refused to buy the omega dlc from ME3 because it was just a money grab. The main story even referred to the mission. Typical EA and I refused to play ball.
Have never bought a season pass because I typically move on to another game. So much to play. I would not get my money's worth.
Re: Interview: Will Tom Clancy's The Division Deliver on the PS4?
@Godsire- Not necessarily. The vision for this game has some very unique qualities that have the potential for it to stand apart. The persistent world, the environment destruction and interactions, the blend of multiplayer/single player.
I was very hyped for this game, but am now a bit more "wait and see" basically because Watch Dogs disappointed me so much. Watch Dogs is a good game in so many respects, but somehow managed to be less than the sum of its parts.
It is exactly the sort of game I love, and I was enjoying it for a while, especially the hacking, but just got bored so haven't even finished the main story yet, which I never do. It is hard to put my finger on why. I think the side missions were its main failure. They are tedious and often not related to the game/story in any meaningful way at all. Just a grind to level up.
I am hoping this doesn't fall into the same trap. So I hear you. You may be right, but I hope not.
BTW - Great interview Sammy. Will they pull it off on the PS4 is a huge question. Still not 100% convinced despite the answer.
Re: Good News, PS4 Exclusive DriveClub Almost Works Now
It has been working for me since yesterday. No issue going online, accessing club features or joining multi-player races. Maybe I haven't tested everything, but nothing has failed for me in the last 24 hours. Fingers crossed it continues. At the very least it is a huge improvement.
Re: When Will DriveClub: PS Plus Edition Release on PS4?
Interestingly, the online features have worked perfectly for me this afternoon for an extended period. I was able to join multi-player races etc. Not one dropout. Fingers crossed, they have finally fixed the server issues.
Re: What Does PS4 Firmware Update 2.00 Look Like?
This update will be awesome, but still waiting for folders and DLNA.
Re: When Will DriveClub: PS Plus Edition Release on PS4?
The whole situation is clearly a debacle. it is hard to imagine a launch going worse. However, considering what has happened, I do agree with Evolution's stance that they have to make the game work as promised for those who have paid for it, before giving the game away free to PS+ users, which would only make the online worse through more traffic.
I hope the issues are sorted soon, but not yet convinced. Nov PS+ update is the earliest I can imagine the free version coming out.
Re: Rumour: PS4 Simulation Racer Project CARS Parks Up Until March 2015
I actually think this delay is a good thing. Nov is just crazy with games and there were too many car games in a short space. If it gived them more time to finish things off then all the better, and people will be looking for a new car game again. This will help project cars all round.
@SanderEvers I think the delay means the WiiU version releasing at the same time is at least a possibility , but honestly don't hold your breath.
Re: DriveClub Developer to Roll Out New Game Update to Improve Online Issues
From the bits I can play of the game it is great. Just amazing how broken the online is. Really hoping they get it sorted and soon, because the social features are the focus of the whole game. It is hard to understand what the root cause of the problem is. Whether they need more hardware/severs, coding fixes, both or just completely broken.
Re: September NPD: Sony Silences Analysts as PS4 Sales Surge
Well colour me NOT surprised.
I am also not convinced that XBO's holiday line-up will stop the PS4 train either. Not because the XBO doesn't have a better holiday "exclusive" line-up, it does. BUT, big hitters during the coming holidays aren't exclusives (COD, Dragon Age, Assassins Creed, Far Cry etc) and most of them will be preferred to play (better res etc) on the PS4. The one exception is Halo, but not sure that a remaster will be enough to sell an XBO to 360 owners who have already played them, or lure PS3 owners when Destiny exists. I actually think it is smart not to release many big exclusives this holiday season, because it is already saturated. There is no room. As always, time will tell.
@WARDIE Agree, agree, agree. Loving the PS4, enjoying the games, but the server issues (Driveclub and PSN in general) need to get sorted. It is not spoiling it for me at this stage, but clearly it can't continue. Also looking forward to more OS updates, but Sony is correct in not making them core/priority.
Re: Feature: What's New in PS4 Firmware Update 2.00?
The only question now is when?
Re: Guide: How to Take off Your Training Wheels in DriveClub on PS4
@get2sammyb I'm not very good at waiting. Bought the PS+ version last night. Offline is good so far, but online is broken as expected. Interested to have a multiplayer race. Even when I can connect to the server, it never makes it through matchmaking. Oh well .Waiting for updates. At least I knew what I was getting.
Re: Video: Watch As We Recap September's Best PlayStation Games
Brilliant as always!
Re: Rumour: Speculation Suggests Major PS4 Exclusives Will Be Unveiled at PlayStation Experience
Unfortunately I have become very much "I will believe it when I see it" about the whole industry.
Re: Your Custom Character's a Bit of a Badass in Dragon Age: Inquisition
What great music.
Re: Guide: How to Take off Your Training Wheels in DriveClub on PS4
Sick of waiting for the PS+ edition, which looks like it could be a month away. So, considering getting the retail version, which I always planned to do eventually anyway. Just struggling with buying a game I know is broken (hoping it will be fixed).
Is it worth buying in it current state?
Re: Review: Don't Starve: Giant Edition (PlayStation Network - Vita)
Loved this on the PS4, and it is a welcome edition to my Vita, though I found the controls on the Vita take a little getting used to.
Re: Store Update: 15th October 2014 (Europe)
Downloading minecraft Vita as I type. yay! Unfortunately it is only cross-buy with PS3 (where you can also share save files), not PS4, so I have bought it again. Still worth it.
Anyone know what hte deal is with Freedom Wars on the Vita. I thought it was already released, but I cannot see it in the store.
Re: There Was Almost a Saints Row Brawler for PlayStation Move
I actually miss Move. It was a shame that all the content dried up. But I guess the whole motion controlled genre died. Morpheus will bring it all back and be just as short lived. Still, I will probably hop on that train too while it lasts.
Re: No Fair! Japan's Getting The Unfinished Swan on PS4 and Vita Next Week
Only ever played the demo of unfinished swan. It was interesting, and would be interested to pick it up for the PS4 if the price is right.
Re: Review: The Evil Within (PlayStation 4)
How does it compare to Outlast? Which I enjoyed.
Re: Pachter: PS4's American Winning Streak Ended in September
Time will tell, but I find it hard to believe in the month Destiny launched. I recon he's very wrong.
For whatever it is worth, VGChartz has XBO at 250k and PS4 at 400k in NA for Sept. Doesn't prove anything, but it is usually indicative.
Also, on Amazon US the back PS4 has stayed in the top 10 bestseller all Sept and the white Destiny bundle was also in the top 10 for most most of the month only occationally dropping into the teens. The XBO by comparison was as in the 30s all month. Also proves nothing but does backup VGChartz in that the PS4 has with 2 top 10 skus well outsold the XBO with only 1 at around the 30 mark.
Would love to know where Pratcher is getting this idea from?
Re: Fencing Sim Nidhogg Strategically Shuffles onto PS4 and Vita This Week
Ignoring the fact of whether it is fun or not, surely this should win an award for one of the ugliest looking games on record. Even allowing for the retro art style, they are some of the worst graphics I have ever seen. Luckily is sounds like it plays better than it looks.
Re: This New Far Cry 4 Trailer Shows Off Kyrat's Colourful Characters
Wow that is a good trailer. The combination of this, Dragon age and Assassin's Creed in Nov is still killing me. This may now just be winning.
Re: DriveClub v1.03 Patch Begins to Put PS4 Racer Back on Track
@Wesker Sure. But I was promised a free version 11 months ago. Still waiting and rather pissed.
Re: Snow Joke! Standalone White PS4 Coming to UK Next Week
I think the white looks amazing. If I didn't already own a black, I would pick up the white. I have bought a white controller for my second one. But alas, I have no need for a second PS4...
Re: DriveClub v1.03 Patch Begins to Put PS4 Racer Back on Track
Anyone have any idea when the PS+ edition will be release in Australia? It is still not up in the store. I heard it was release in the UK, Is that correct?
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 42
I can tell you what I am not playing - DriveClub. Still waiting for the update in Oz.
Luckily Shadow or Mordor is filling my time nicely.
Re: Is PSN Down Yet Again? For Some, the Answer's Yes
Sony is having a bad month.This many issues so close together looks bad and frustrates the hell out of all concerned.
They need to fix it and vastly improve. They cannot let this happen again.
Re: PlayStation Experience Pledges a Peek into the Future of PS4
hmm
Re: LittleBigPlanet 3 Swoops into European Stores a Week Late
If they want to avoid the crush, they need to release a week early, not a week late. Not sure this will help them. People's money will already have been spent.
Re: Uncharted 4: A Thief's End Update Incoming 'Really Soon'
@WARDIE You still own a Atari 2600 ? Oh that's awesome. It was my first console too!
Have you really kept it that long? (is so, I'm not worthy), or did you track a second hand one down? I still play the odd Atari game on the PC, simulated using Stella.
Re: MineCraft Builds a Brick House on PlayStation Vita Next Week
I will believe this when I actually see it. I still fear it will be pulled at the last minute.
Re: Evolution Studios: We're As Frustrated About DriveClub Issues As You Are
@PixelPro Dude, do you like work for MS? You join the site 2 hours ago and then post 8 posts in the space of an hour. I'm not playing.
Re: Evolution Studios: We're As Frustrated About DriveClub Issues As You Are
There is no way this is a scam. It is an unmitigated disaster. No company would do that to themselves. It will be interesting to see if DC can recover from this, my guess is only partially. They have potentially halved their sales IMO.
Re: DisasterClub? Sony Delays DriveClub: PS Plus Edition Due to Server Issues
@gr8apeb8 Brilliant!
Yes, it is all looking pretty ugly for DC at the moment. I hope they can turn it around.
Re: Assassin's Creed Unity Could Still Reach 1080p on the PS4
@get2sammyb Does that mean that we can all swear as long as it is in french?! lol. Don't tempt me....no really...don;t.
Re: Sony Engineers Working on DriveClub, Destiny, and NBA 2K15 Connectivity Issues
That photo is awesome!
Re: Assassin's Creed Unity Could Still Reach 1080p on the PS4
People are not upset by the resolution itself per se, but at the idea of gimping and not allowing the game to be the best it can be on every platform. There is a solid belief that the PS4 can run this game at 1080p based on the success of other games to achieve that benchmark. People want the best version possible, not a scaled back one due to some marketing idea of equity. That whole concepts stinks of looking after MS as the XBO is less capable and they are sponsoring that game. Difficult for MS to get value for money when their sponsored game runs better on the competition.
That is what is clearly in play. The web community is not stupid and saw thought the comment in a heart beat. If Ubisoft doesn't change their mind and release a "best possible" PS4 version which I am 100% convinced would be 1080p on PS4, (60fps maybe/maybe not.) then they will lose PS4 sales. It will still sell well on PS4, but there will be a boycott to a degree. Sales will drop. So there is a money impact to their decision. Just a question of how much, which is hard to predict.
Re: Round Up: DriveClub PS4 Reviews Target Pole Position
@get2sammyb How can a site criticise a game for not being open world, when it is not trying to be? That makes no sense. Its not a gaming requirement...
The Last of Us was rubbish, because it wasn't open world?! I assume it is a FH comparison, but I am still lost.
This game's DNA is about social features. It should rise and fall on how it make them work as a racing game, not lack of open world which is a legitimate design decision.
There are only 6 reviews out so far, so way too early to tell. In any case, I will download my PS+ version tomorrow and decide for myself.
Re: Weirdness: This Minecraft Remake of P.T. is Almost as Scary as The Original
That's just too clever!
Re: Ubisoft Locks Assassin's Creed Unity's PS4 Resolution to Avoid Debates
So what, this is the first official gimping of the season? And they think that will avoid debates? lol
Re: Weirdness: This Is How Activision Should Have Marketed Destiny
For all its flaws, it is personally the best gun-play I have ever experienced in a game. Despite all the criticism (some of which is warranted) I think that the reason everyone keeps playing is clear. The core game-play is awesome. That is what brings people back. If someone is looking for a shooter, I cannot think of one I would recommend over it.