@PuppetMaster You see, not 100% accurate is not a justification to abandoning history entirely and I think that claim is just dumb. However, at least your consistent with a the bizarre idea of a Japanese protagonist of a game that should be about social stealth in Africa. I think that’s horrible and would push back.
@themightyant Counter point, don't use a real person as a protagonist. Take inspiration from the many others that could have been for a much more rounded and in-setting idea.
@Cloud39472 Yasuke was a one off oddity that stands out. He's not a natural selection for a Japanese AC at all or the way they interact with so much of history. The fact that a one-off oddity that is being based on one real person (no one person was used for a character before) to justify shows this. You should be pulling from a group of many examples in history to make an AC protagonist. It's a square in a round hole even if the square existed one time.
@themightyant This goes beyond creative liberties at a point. Part AC history is to use real people as NPCs that fits in the history, hence why the MC(s) should be a fictional Japanese character. Yasuke should be in the game as an NPC that's an ode to his real role in history. AC has been playing too loose with history for a while now. Some fiction doesn't justify just ignoring history and I don't except much love or accuracy for history from the game in general.
I do find the racism claims amusing. If they included a lone Irish guy for an African AC, I wonder how many of the same people would call the pushback against that racist?
@Cloud39472 Maybe the inclusion of one doesn’t negate something not making sense elsewhere? It’s not about having a “token representative” so what happens elsewhere doesn’t matter.
@Ravix No, the tank shouldn't be there. I also protest a Samurai being playable at all. The trailer also has Yasuke be handed a note about secret stuff and then a little girl naturally gawks at him, making him a poor choice for Shadow stuff. AC having a tank character in of itself is definitely poor form. I've actually been pretty consistently upset with every AC game but Mirage for a while now for many historical, RPG, non-assassin, not being what AC is about, etc reasons.
@UltimateOtaku91 @Korgon It's taken great efforts to use real history and to be accurate in many ways in the past. Every single protagonist in the past has been a character that ethnically belonged and that would reasonable blend in as the creed demands. Arab, Italian, Egyptian, Native American, British, French, etc have all been used before. No one complained because they all made sense and were accurate and normal. Yasuke being real also goes against series history. Playing as Tom Cruise in this instance, despite the Last Samurai being a great movie, would also be horrificly dumb.
Yasuke being a shadowy figure who's doing a bunch of Assassin stuff is just ridiculous on its face. I also think Nobunaga liked to show him off because he was different. Nor have any of them been real people. It's very odd and goes against AC's premise. I'll also say not only should Yasuke be removed as a playable character, playing as a Samurai should also be removed entirely as well as that's also missing the point.
That kind of combat is a horrible bastardization of what inspired it (turn based TTRPG) and should be banned from being in any game again. Origin’s combat makes the gameplay such a chore next to amazing writing and role-playing. Needless to say, this makes me a lot less interested lol.
@EchoRange and it’s been terrible how the RPGs have gone. We also just had mirage, which had blending and a reasonable looking protag. There’s a difference between stupid armor that shouldn’t be added to the game and a character who is inherently incapable of keeping the creed.
@Neither_scene Predictable isn’t a bad thing, it’s historical and makes sense. AC protags also aren’t real people, if you need a real person that happened once to justify the oddity you’re doing it wrong.
Nope, not playing this. We’re supposed to blend in, not be a singular distinct foreigner who was never a Smaurai. I’ll take Japanese protagonist. This is getting ridiculous.
@NEStalgia Yep, why did the game go gold if the vision wasn’t complete or finished? Doesn’t sound very gold to me. Also, considering the anime stuff censorship (no nudity to start) while we have dong sliders, I don’t accept “it doesn’t make sense because other stuff is worse” as an argument. None of Sony’s censorship makes sense or is reasonable to begin with. “No explicit nudity”, boom, makes sense and is easy to follow as a rule. No wondering if your game gets accepted and comes across as reasonable and easy tot work around. No such logic exists.
We play as Japanese and an actual Assassin without a bunch of RPG numbers or I'm out. I don't want AC Japan totally ruined and a mockery of the name and Creed. The past 3 mainline ACs have been horrific cash-cows as AC games.
Wow, so buying them all out was a giant mistake and they don't know what to do. Wow. Sell both of those companies and go back to normal, that'll fix your problem.
@naruball The teaser they have didn't look the best, in action he looked great though. He changed minds because his performance was undeniable and the work and love for the character really showed.
@Victor_Meldrew It's been updated very well, but making it less rough around the edges and adding more difficulties would be a dream. I'd pre-order that so quickly.
Please, stop, they're milking the soul out of the franchise. Please stop hurting this series. Red, Hexe, they need to be cancelled and re-emerged as non AC games. I really just want a remaster of Unity at this point.
No, and the issue is not just that Cavil left, it's that he left on principle and love for the character and source material. He left only because he hated what they were doing with it and Cavil and earned my trust in these matters.
I didn’t see the big deal, but I might be biased from having a PSN since I bought myself a PS3 as a kid, but I hope this energy can be used for good things in the future. There’s been a 60,000 uptick in positive reviews in the last day, so people are trying to respond gracefully now that the demands have been met.
@ChrisDeku You know what “you” inferre in that sentence or anyone normal person would, it’s a shame (only you this time) you lack basic inference. You really are being stuck up if you think almost anyone doesn’t get the satire and just enjoys it how they want anyway. It’s almost like art take a life of it’s own sometimes.
I hope they put the originals back in, but I also hope there's an option to choose the new one. I actually prefer the costume on the right, but I dislike in principle what they are doing and how abnormal the logic is.
You don’t say? They should have been thinking of making better narratives and advancing the genre since always. They knew the expectations for ES6 within a week of ES5 being released, and that’s letting them be late.
@DennisReynolds Dude, censorship doesn’t mean “removing something bad” it means removing something because it upsets some sort of sensibility. If a word doesn’t sound nice, it no longer applies the moment you think you’re in the right even if it’s the same thing is not how words work. Or not how they should anyway.
You like censorship, just admit it.
That or words change their meaning dynamically to make you look better.
@DennisReynolds The definition of censorship does not in fact change when you agree with it. You have in fact admitted the game’s been censored now and lost your entire argument.
@DennisReynolds We can know through reason and prudence. In fact, all situations with a vague similarity are not the same and don’t need to be treated the same. There’s been a pattern here and we all know there’s not a good reason to think “but muh Spider-Man” is the same thing.
@NotoriousWhiz Tell the slippery slope is false to Japanese devs who have no idea of their game will be sold on PlayStation (while having no duty) while CyberPunk and Baldur’s Gate have a dong slider. (Which for point of reference, I think disallowing something that extreme as a clear company policy is reasonable, clear being an operative word).
This is wrong. If it was already intended, it should not have gone gold. This is changing the product bought, not updating, changing and taking away. They should have added an “alt” version to choose, not removed the original. For context, I prefer the one of the right (post-patch) and think it’s more tasteful. However, the game went gold, and they sold it. This is important for them to understand. I’m not sure I believe him and I don’t side with him.
@Kidfried by winning? Have and other details been removed in a bug like manner? I see no reason to believe them as this kind of thing has happened before.
@nomither6 It’s also nonsensical. If they weren’t in the game already, wouldn’t necessarily argue for them frankly, but at the same time we have the weird stuff in BG3 and that’s fine. Stuff that actually “crosses a line” is fine so to speak, but anything more “normal” and is just a bit spicy and not terribly offensive is problematic.
@MikeOrator I did that until the PS5 version of P5, and would’ve gotten a CE of P3 if it weren’t for the fact that I’m waiting for the game to finished. I would have even night P5 CE PS5 Is Dave data transferred over, but they were too lazy for that even.
That’s hug shame. I love that part of Persona. I’m surosied as the romance would definitely help generate interest. I wouldn’t be surprised if a definitive edition added it.
Why? Keep it pixelated at worst? This is dumb, especially after it launched. They sold a product and are retracting it. Frankly, there should be laws against this. Supeehot VR had it really bad where they removed the suicide, first by making it optional in the menu, they patronizingly telling we deserved better and removing it entirely, you know, when no one asked for it.
Make it play PS3 games (maybe PS2 as well) and we'll talk about getting an upgrade a lot more. It seems cool, but I'll still probably wait until the PS6 and get it all that way.
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Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Reveal Trailer Is Already the Most Disliked in Series History
@PuppetMaster You see, not 100% accurate is not a justification to abandoning history entirely and I think that claim is just dumb.
However, at least your consistent with a the bizarre idea of a Japanese protagonist of a game that should be about social stealth in Africa. I think that’s horrible and would push back.
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Reveal Trailer Is Already the Most Disliked in Series History
@themightyant Counter point, don't use a real person as a protagonist. Take inspiration from the many others that could have been for a much more rounded and in-setting idea.
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Reveal Trailer Is Already the Most Disliked in Series History
@Cloud39472 Yasuke was a one off oddity that stands out. He's not a natural selection for a Japanese AC at all or the way they interact with so much of history. The fact that a one-off oddity that is being based on one real person (no one person was used for a character before) to justify shows this.
You should be pulling from a group of many examples in history to make an AC protagonist.
It's a square in a round hole even if the square existed one time.
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Reveal Trailer Is Already the Most Disliked in Series History
@themightyant This goes beyond creative liberties at a point. Part AC history is to use real people as NPCs that fits in the history, hence why the MC(s) should be a fictional Japanese character. Yasuke should be in the game as an NPC that's an ode to his real role in history.
AC has been playing too loose with history for a while now. Some fiction doesn't justify just ignoring history and I don't except much love or accuracy for history from the game in general.
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Reveal Trailer Is Already the Most Disliked in Series History
I do find the racism claims amusing. If they included a lone Irish guy for an African AC, I wonder how many of the same people would call the pushback against that racist?
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Reveal Trailer Is Already the Most Disliked in Series History
@Cloud39472 Maybe the inclusion of one doesn’t negate something not making sense elsewhere? It’s not about having a “token representative” so what happens elsewhere doesn’t matter.
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Reveal Trailer Is Already the Most Disliked in Series History
@themightyant The pirates were usually and often European, so for him to be a pirate that’s actually accurate.
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Reveal Trailer Is Already the Most Disliked in Series History
@Ravix No, the tank shouldn't be there. I also protest a Samurai being playable at all. The trailer also has Yasuke be handed a note about secret stuff and then a little girl naturally gawks at him, making him a poor choice for Shadow stuff.
AC having a tank character in of itself is definitely poor form.
I've actually been pretty consistently upset with every AC game but Mirage for a while now for many historical, RPG, non-assassin, not being what AC is about, etc reasons.
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Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Reveal Trailer Is Already the Most Disliked in Series History
@UltimateOtaku91 @Korgon It's taken great efforts to use real history and to be accurate in many ways in the past. Every single protagonist in the past has been a character that ethnically belonged and that would reasonable blend in as the creed demands. Arab, Italian, Egyptian, Native American, British, French, etc have all been used before. No one complained because they all made sense and were accurate and normal.
Yasuke being real also goes against series history.
Playing as Tom Cruise in this instance, despite the Last Samurai being a great movie, would also be horrificly dumb.
Yasuke being a shadowy figure who's doing a bunch of Assassin stuff is just ridiculous on its face. I also think Nobunaga liked to show him off because he was different.
Nor have any of them been real people. It's very odd and goes against AC's premise.
I'll also say not only should Yasuke be removed as a playable character, playing as a Samurai should also be removed entirely as well as that's also missing the point.
Re: Players Fail Helldivers 2 Major Order, 'The Second Galactic War' Begins
@GamingFan4Lyf This is lore and actual story.
Re: GreedFall 2 May Not Be the Game You Think It Is
That kind of combat is a horrible bastardization of what inspired it (turn based TTRPG) and should be banned from being in any game again. Origin’s combat makes the gameplay such a chore next to amazing writing and role-playing.
Needless to say, this makes me a lot less interested lol.
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Dated for 15th November in First Trailer
@EchoRange and it’s been terrible how the RPGs have gone. We also just had mirage, which had blending and a reasonable looking protag. There’s a difference between stupid armor that shouldn’t be added to the game and a character who is inherently incapable of keeping the creed.
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Dated for 15th November in First Trailer
@Neither_scene Predictable isn’t a bad thing, it’s historical and makes sense. AC protags also aren’t real people, if you need a real person that happened once to justify the oddity you’re doing it wrong.
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Dated for 15th November in First Trailer
Nope, not playing this. We’re supposed to blend in, not be a singular distinct foreigner who was never a Smaurai.
I’ll take Japanese protagonist. This is getting ridiculous.
Re: Shift Up Director Puts Stellar Blade, Sony Costume Conspiracy to Bed
@NEStalgia Yep, why did the game go gold if the vision wasn’t complete or finished? Doesn’t sound very gold to me.
Also, considering the anime stuff censorship (no nudity to start) while we have dong sliders, I don’t accept “it doesn’t make sense because other stuff is worse” as an argument.
None of Sony’s censorship makes sense or is reasonable to begin with. “No explicit nudity”, boom, makes sense and is easy to follow as a rule. No wondering if your game gets accepted and comes across as reasonable and easy tot work around. No such logic exists.
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows the Actual Name of AC Red, Reveal This Week
@pharos_haven Bro, Hex has you play as a witch with powers who turns into a cat. Hex sounds like a better Forespoken game that has nothing to with AC.
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows the Actual Name of AC Red, Reveal This Week
We play as Japanese and an actual Assassin without a bunch of RPG numbers or I'm out. I don't want AC Japan totally ruined and a mockery of the name and Creed. The past 3 mainline ACs have been horrific cash-cows as AC games.
Re: Rumour: SEGA Wants Persona to Be an Annual Franchise Alongside Like a Dragon, Sonic
No no no no no no no no no no no no. Some spin off titles are fine, but don't do this wrong.
Re: Founders, Long-Time Employees Reportedly Say Xbox Now Effectively Microsoft Gaming
Wow, so buying them all out was a giant mistake and they don't know what to do. Wow. Sell both of those companies and go back to normal, that'll fix your problem.
Re: The Witcher's Ciri Says She Hopes Fans Give Liam Hemsworth a Chance as Geralt
@naruball The teaser they have didn't look the best, in action he looked great though. He changed minds because his performance was undeniable and the work and love for the character really showed.
Re: Rumour: Ubisoft Is Going All-In on Assassin's Creed with Black Flag Remake, Another Remake, Co-op Multiplayer Games, and More
@Victor_Meldrew It's been updated very well, but making it less rough around the edges and adding more difficulties would be a dream. I'd pre-order that so quickly.
Re: Rumour: Ubisoft Is Going All-In on Assassin's Creed with Black Flag Remake, Another Remake, Co-op Multiplayer Games, and More
Please, stop, they're milking the soul out of the franchise. Please stop hurting this series.
Red, Hexe, they need to be cancelled and re-emerged as non AC games.
I really just want a remaster of Unity at this point.
Re: The Witcher's Ciri Says She Hopes Fans Give Liam Hemsworth a Chance as Geralt
No, and the issue is not just that Cavil left, it's that he left on principle and love for the character and source material. He left only because he hated what they were doing with it and Cavil and earned my trust in these matters.
Re: Tango Gameworks, Arkane Austin, More Closed in Brutal Bethesda Restructure
Welp, it looks like MS still has the touch of death.
Re: Helldivers 2 CEO Praises 'Willpower' of Community in Sony Showdown
I didn’t see the big deal, but I might be biased from having a PSN since I bought myself a PS3 as a kid, but I hope this energy can be used for good things in the future.
There’s been a 60,000 uptick in positive reviews in the last day, so people are trying to respond gracefully now that the demands have been met.
Re: Rumour: Resident Evil 9 Reveal and Release Imminent, Out in January
It has to be in VR. After playing Resi 8 in VR I will except nothing else.
Re: Helldivers 2 Is Already One of Sony's Best-Ever Sellers in the US
@ChrisDeku You know what “you” inferre in that sentence or anyone normal person would, it’s a shame (only you this time) you lack basic inference.
You really are being stuck up if you think almost anyone doesn’t get the satire and just enjoys it how they want anyway. It’s almost like art take a life of it’s own sometimes.
Re: Helldivers 2 Is Already One of Sony's Best-Ever Sellers in the US
@ChrisDeku Yes, only you understand satire and humor. I praise your superior media literacy.
Re: Stellar Blade PS5 Dev Thanks Fans for 'Passion' Following Censorship Controversy
I hope they put the originals back in, but I also hope there's an option to choose the new one. I actually prefer the costume on the right, but I dislike in principle what they are doing and how abnormal the logic is.
Re: Earth Defense Force 6 Heads West on PS5, PS4 This July
But cross-gen worries me because the PS5 version might have a stable framerate.we need PS5 being pushed past a stable framerate.
Re: The Elder Scrolls, Fallout Dev Wants to Shorten Time Between Games
You don’t say? They should have been thinking of making better narratives and advancing the genre since always. They knew the expectations for ES6 within a week of ES5 being released, and that’s letting them be late.
Re: Stellar Blade PS5 Fans Irate Over Alleged Censorship
@DennisReynolds Dude, censorship doesn’t mean “removing something bad” it means removing something because it upsets some sort of sensibility. If a word doesn’t sound nice, it no longer applies the moment you think you’re in the right even if it’s the same thing is not how words work. Or not how they should anyway.
You like censorship, just admit it.
That or words change their meaning dynamically to make you look better.
Re: Stellar Blade PS5 Fans Irate Over Alleged Censorship
@DennisReynolds The definition of censorship does not in fact change when you agree with it. You have in fact admitted the game’s been censored now and lost your entire argument.
Re: Stellar Blade PS5 Fans Irate Over Alleged Censorship
@DennisReynolds We can know through reason and prudence. In fact, all situations with a vague similarity are not the same and don’t need to be treated the same. There’s been a pattern here and we all know there’s not a good reason to think “but muh Spider-Man” is the same thing.
Re: Stellar Blade PS5 Fans Irate Over Alleged Censorship
@NotoriousWhiz Tell the slippery slope is false to Japanese devs who have no idea of their game will be sold on PlayStation (while having no duty) while CyberPunk and Baldur’s Gate have a dong slider. (Which for point of reference, I think disallowing something that extreme as a clear company policy is reasonable, clear being an operative word).
Re: Stellar Blade PS5 Fans Irate Over Alleged Censorship
This is wrong. If it was already intended, it should not have gone gold.
This is changing the product bought, not updating, changing and taking away.
They should have added an “alt” version to choose, not removed the original.
For context, I prefer the one of the right (post-patch) and think it’s more tasteful. However, the game went gold, and they sold it. This is important for them to understand. I’m not sure I believe him and I don’t side with him.
Re: Sexy Lara Croft Posters Will Return in Next Tomb Raider Remastered Patch
@Kidfried by winning? Have and other details been removed in a bug like manner? I see no reason to believe them as this kind of thing has happened before.
Re: Sexy Lara Croft Posters Will Return in Next Tomb Raider Remastered Patch
@nomither6 It’s also nonsensical. If they weren’t in the game already, wouldn’t necessarily argue for them frankly, but at the same time we have the weird stuff in BG3 and that’s fine. Stuff that actually “crosses a line” is fine so to speak, but anything more “normal” and is just a bit spicy and not terribly offensive is problematic.
Re: Metaphor: ReFantazio Says No to Romance, Unlike the Persona Games
@MikeOrator I did that until the PS5 version of P5, and would’ve gotten a CE of P3 if it weren’t for the fact that I’m waiting for the game to finished.
I would have even night P5 CE PS5 Is Dave data transferred over, but they were too lazy for that even.
Re: That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime Is Coming to PS5, PS4 as an Action RPG
This looks like a really neat idea, only seen if bit of the source, but this is fresh air after Warrior and fighting game galore.
Re: Metaphor: ReFantazio Says No to Romance, Unlike the Persona Games
That’s hug shame. I love that part of Persona. I’m surosied as the romance would definitely help generate interest. I wouldn’t be surprised if a definitive edition added it.
Re: Tomb Raider 1-3 Remastered Update Quietly Removes Sexy Lara Croft Pinups
I’m all for optional filters as well, this should have been a menu option at most.
Re: Tomb Raider 1-3 Remastered Update Quietly Removes Sexy Lara Croft Pinups
Why? Keep it pixelated at worst? This is dumb, especially after it launched. They sold a product and are retracting it. Frankly, there should be laws against this. Supeehot VR had it really bad where they removed the suicide, first by making it optional in the menu, they patronizingly telling we deserved better and removing it entirely, you know, when no one asked for it.
Re: Imagine Earth Promises Sustainable Sci-Fi City Building on PS5, PS4 in May
Nice, very nice. Now let’s see Super Earth.
Re: Ubisoft Responds to Star Wars Outlaws Exclusive Jabba the Hutt Boondoggle
@DennisReynolds Should Skyrim have had Ezio? Cyberpunk Geralt? Depends on the game and series, this one screamed custom character.
Re: Ubisoft Responds to Star Wars Outlaws Exclusive Jabba the Hutt Boondoggle
@DennisReynolds No, not the obvious choice for an open-world SW outlaw game. Linear games aren’t as good for a custom character normally.
Re: Ubisoft Responds to Star Wars Outlaws Exclusive Jabba the Hutt Boondoggle
Annoying MC when a custom character was obvious, scummy DLC, money grubbing… yeah this is an easy pass.
Re: New PS5 Pro Leak Points to Significant Graphics Push from Sony
Make it play PS3 games (maybe PS2 as well) and we'll talk about getting an upgrade a lot more. It seems cool, but I'll still probably wait until the PS6 and get it all that way.