@Raffles very very interesting results! Glad you followed up! Initially from the leaked specs and Cerny statementsI think all of us thought 4070. Then the printed specs looked 4060ish. But this reality is pretty meh for that price. Better than a $300 GPU, worse than a $500 all for $700.. yeah it's the whole machine but still... The CPU remains poor anyway. Not matching a 6800? Oof.
I suppose they have a market for it and that's a market that likes "better" but doesn't really care if it's that much better and its willing to pay high premium for convenience. IDK, consoles really have to rethink their specs and pricing going forward. This isn't going to be sustainable with hardware like that for pieces like this forever.
I think that launch always goes to the same people basically. The people who reliably buy the new thing every time no matter what. Launch is probably predictable. The longer term will be interesting. Especially in this economy. Gaming, and PlayStation in particular is in a really weird market now.
I paid money for Haze. I wouldn't pay money for this.
I had no idea cod was now just fortnite. I thought it was still a historical fiction American military series with Jerry Bruckheimer presentation. Not shark men shooting glowing aliens. No wonder it's a kids game. Desert Storm didn't make sense to my for modern kids but it really is just a cartoon apparently now?
@nessisonett BroShep is the only Shep, but only because of the comical delivery. FemShep makes ME feel like it's taking itself seriously. BroShep always feels like a total nerdball in space, which is half of the fun.
@themightyant nailed it though. Broshep is like a big puppydog with a gun with Meer's VA. Hale seems like the only viable renegade option because Meer sounds like Mr. Rogers saying he's going to mug you.
Awwww man, I'm conflicted. I hated the idea of continuing the Sylens character without Lance, because the Sylens character is Lance and it just feels completely wrong to have anyone else try to do it with how unique his voice was. But, yet, I love Tim Russ! I might be able to tolerate the change with him. But it's also going to gnaw at me because Lance was Lance and that voice can't be swapped.
I didn't end up playing much on PS as it kind of lost my interest as a souls like bargain basement Nier automata and then I switched to PC, but once this starts hitting good steam sales and now has an actual automata dlc coming I'll bite on PC.
Though I'm still painfully stuck on wukong and theres only so much of this type of battle system one can take.
I remain so grateful for the existence of this game, as it continues to deliver the most entertaining comment threads this side of a Final Fantasy argument.
@Rich33 Very belated, but that's actually great catches of the Gaunt family connection to Voldemort, I somehow never connected the Gaunt references an Marvolo!
I agree to a point, the bloated messes of giant games is far too much filler and far too little content often enough, but I also think if we're going to walk back games to smaller we also have to walk the prices back. Lower prices for smaller experiences might be highly in demand. But paying $70 or $80 to get less won't fly.
The talk about "7 years" and nostalgia I think highlights one big problem with a big segment of the games industry and how it collides with fans. Too much of the game industry still revolves around the kid-cycle like the toy industry, so that "7 years" is this really long time that "oh man d00d, I remember this from when I was a kid!" (says a 12 year old.) While for everyone else 7 years is still "new."
@LiamCroft Surprising to hear but good to know. Very surprising though that it would be all that popular. Personally though I'm not buying a 5 Pro, I did buy a 4 Pro, a SWOLED, a One X, and even as I bought all of those, individual game articles on enhancements like this would not at all have appealed to me, nor with GPU upgrades on PC, I'll check out the hardware reviews and comparisons, but not search for per-game differences one at a time like this. Can't imagine how it appeals to buyers or non buyers, but if it apparently does, I guess, yay.
@Rich33 It's not a massive event. It's the same exact console with a modest GPU upgrade for nearly double the price. Only in marketing-enhanced PlayStation Land is that a massive event.
Imagine if Nintendo Life had months of it's feed covered in mostly comprisons of how much better the SWOLED looked in every game. It's a similar level event. And similarly PXB doesn't have articles comparing every single game on S and X. Yeah they're milking it because it's new because they're milking the SEO. These articles aren't for the readership, they're for Google hits.
@Rich33 PC sites will do HARDWARE comparisons with a standard set of common benchmark games and test suites when new hardware launches, mostly comparing fps results at the same set of settings.
Not separate analysis of every single game on the new card, page after page after page. Not detail zoom ins of one versus another. Just a performance comparison at like settings.
Though once consoles have "tiers" console already failed. You're just choosing between an open PC platform or a closed one.
@LiamCroft @Rich33 Love it as you guys will, I happen to find Push a less interesting site now that the whole site is just "here's how much better PS5 games would run on an old PC."
Either cover the PS5, or buy yourselves a cheap Zen2 4070 laptop and cover that, I'm sure you can get one on Black Friday for about the same price as a disc+stand PS5 Pro, and it'll amaze you if you think the Pro is all that!
I still question the hyperbole around a lot of the rhetoric around how "amazing" the PS5 Pro is, unless Hogwarts ran particularly terribly on the PS5.
Hogwarts is a game I've played fully on a Series X (which I believe ran worse than it did on PS5 at the time?), and again on a 4070 Ti Super, and also on a 4090. The 4070TiS vs 4090 has zero difference, the 4090 can just hit more extreme 3 digit fps. The 4070TiS does have some increased sharpness, the ray tracing adds "different" lighting you would neither notice as better or worse without side by sides. Does it look "better" with all the settings maxed? Somewhat, but it's far from what I would consider a significant difference, Hogwarts is a technological marvel how it ran on the consoles.
Edit: And just to be clear, not knocking this article which is very clear it's not a big difference, just highlighting that this game highlights that some of those OTHER articles going into hyperbole are questionable.
@ButWhy agreed but the fight against those already HAS been going on, and, have you seen Ubisoft financials?
Microsoft actually doesn't do it. Their online games like sot do but not single player. Bethesda does, they were doing that before Ms bought them and inevitably someday Bethesda accounts won't exist and will be Microsoft accounts and likely won't require it anymore. That is kind of the point Sony is doing this worse than Microsoft by miles. They're in the pool with EA and Ubisoft and Rockstar and nobody is very happy with those 3 on PC either.
@UnlimitedSevens that's 77m games sold in one quarter, not lifetime. The attach rate is probably healthy. But more interesting is the fact that about 7% are first party. "Exclusives sell consoles" my rear.
@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare I'd like to believe you're right however the fact that he's even couching the requirement behind the phrase "offering" makes me very doubtful.
"accounts that we have offered – well actually, by offering them, for instance, sometimes that tends to invite pushback,”
The IRS annually offers us donation boxes, too.
@themightyant That kind of data works with anonymous data aggregation. It doesn't need user accounts at all, and secondary launchers for that. The information they want here is not optimization and bug finding in nature. It's personal information they're after.
In terms of their financial health I think too many people are forgetting just how much in the way of operating expenses they've shed from closures, downsizing, and staff reduction to arrive at these figures. Getting figures up like this is the reason all the closures and layoffs occur to begin with.
@twitchtvpat It's not the fact that they're covering a new product that's a big deal, it's the manner in which they're doing so that raises red flags. Grasping at straws for minute content, beating the drum larger and louder to drown out all other goings on (even when the Pro will account for a tiny percent of even hardcore fans), and most of all the blatant hyperbole and bait language. @Banjo- cited a few of those great examples "mind boggling", "will melt your face", "lightyears beyond" - there's quite a few other gems around in the articles that go not just beyond excitement, but beyond even ad copy, where even actual marketing departments would be cautious about so much exaggeration. It's both comical and very bizarre, to say the least.
F-off Totoki. There's a certain level of understanding a for the online games on their own servers, but for single player games to sit there and say "we learned and will change nothing" and lie about it. "We need to protect the players?" From what? playing privately offline without targeted marketing data collection occurring? "Offering" accounts? Absolutely nobody has a problem with being offered accounts. People have a problem with being forced to use an account. PC players dislike games that require a second layer of DRM on top of the layer of DRM they already chose. PC players have always disliked games that do that and the publishers that force them to. If Sony wants to put themselves in the basket with EA and Ubisoft in terms of customer perception, that's their choice. Just expect public discourse to put them in the same basket as EA and Ubisoft.
@Banjo- I think it's because the Sun, the Mirror, and National Enquirer are all carefully scrutinizing the articles to learn new ways to gain views.
I can't even come with a joke "I did X with a PS5 Pro for a week and you won't BELIEVE what happened next" headline, because none of them I can come up with as a joke are anywhere near as overstated and hyperbolic as the actual headlines have been. They hype words being thrown around in the headlines go far beyond tabloid headlines and all rational statements. It's a midrange GPU upgrade, not a generational leap, but you wouldn't know that from headlines and articles that hype the pro more than the PS4 to PS5 jump articles did.
IDK if it's just Sammy's personal enthusiasm or an organizational paid bias, but it's jarring and cringey. To be fair to Sammy, he was scathing when it was first announced, and hasn't even had one to play on prior to now (if he even has one now) and mostly just keeps echoing DF who has had such a cringey and obvious bias as one of the only outlets Sony granted a super early access machine to analyze (no conflict of interest there, and note even Push was not one of those outlets), so I'm going to guess the bizarre and uncomfortable hype is not his personal take coming through but something more.....business..?
Nintendo is an organization founded in a yakuza den specializing in making laundered cards for illegal gambling. It's not like their history isn't informative of who they are lol
We're talking about an organization that as soon as Japan was beaten in the war and surrendered, while most of Japan resented their new foreign provisional government and occupying forces, Hiroshi Yamuchi ran to the provisional government to secure an exclusivity contract on selling playing cards to the occupiers. Nintendo never changes.
I was against the pro, but this changes everything, an animated boot screen? Why didn't Cerny say this sooner? Not since the Xbox One have we had the console bliss of animated boot screens. And every UEFI ever. Sony take my money!
@tclarke90 yeah same boat for me. When I head what pro was rumored to be, I expected the price to be right where it is, saw Xbox capsizing and went back to PC as a result as well. Pro is a mess and this giant party everyone is throwing over crappie CPU and low mid-range GPU for $700 is baffling (especially from DF, everything feels off about their coverage. I blame push a bit less because they mostly live in a console bubble and don't know the difference)
Though I still blame the devs because they know the specs of the PS5 which is the main console in circulation. Build your game to run right on the hardware the customers use. And that goes to Epic too. They built that engine with the current consoles in mind early on. Why does it basically not work? Even ignoring the pro.
@Cerny To be fair, while Sony is f'd up, the issue isn't really Sony's fault. It's that devs by and larger are releasing games with trash optimization and relying on brute forcing to fix the game. The problem is the consoles don't have the grunt to brute force things the way super high end PC does, and the devs just seem to be relying on letting Nvidia and the consumer spending thousands to sort out their mess.
Where Sony's problem comes into play is the existence of the pro, much like the PS5 itself, is too expensive for the console space, and too weak to actually be able to brute force the way these games really require. It's an awkward product that probably shouldn't exist. Not that people that get what they want out of it won't enjoy it, but it's a VERY expensive way to not actually fully address the real problems. It's like a jet missing 100lb of fuel required to get to it's destination, so they emergency refuel mid-air another 60lb of fuel. Not only did they take the most expensive way to address the problem, they still can't get to the destination anyway but they'll feel better getting closer.
The only way to fix the real problem is to fix the entirety of the software side of the industry and return them to making games fit for the console rather than last minute ports of PC games. To do that Sony and Nintendo and MS would have to put their foot down and force developers to meet quality standards on their hardware for licensing. But they're not going to do that because people buy the garbage anyway.
@Rich33 I'm probably the one that you're thinking of talking about that, and yes, it's only using between 7-28% CPU on a 7800x3D, usually in the single digits, and that's with the praydog VR mod running on top of it and SteamVR/OpenXR + Virtual Desktop encoding/streaming to a Quest 3. That said it's not struggling at all on that CPU but it's informative that it's actually using so little, implying it's all on a single core, and explains some of the issue on consoles and weaker CPUs.
Am I the only one who finds Push's hyperbolic extreme marketing of the Pro incredibly uncomfortable? Let alone that DF is really the main one with hyperbolic extreme marketing for pro, and then Push keeps regurgitating it, but adding even more hyperbole to it.
Whether for or against pro, I'm finding this very obvious marketing push on both parties to make me as uncomfortable around their objectivity as any Keighley presentation.
I also like the reference to "the scene" like we're avoiding spoilers for a movie released in 1942 😂. I thought we're were over the spoiler avoidance for Aerith but this is a new level lol!
Yeah, Disney was really different back then. Not at all like the saccharine stuff of today.
@Raffles All very true and until the spec reveal today we've all been going by the 4070-ish comparison card based on Cerny quoting 40%, so if that is proving true then you're correct, the original estimate is not affected by today's reveal.
@Raffles PS5 is closer to 2070 or 3060, not 4060. I've previously compared pro to 4070, expecting from the leaks and Cerny it would be close but just below 4070. But at 16.x tflops it's very marginally better than a 4060 (15.x tflops) only. That's shockingly lame. We've been thinking 33 this whole time!
The discussions that @windxtravelerx posted about screams 4060 territory as well
@somnambulance that's a good point about him saying no major IP release this year while releasing concord which he said was the future if the company and a star wars level ip. And clearly he didn't think much of astrobot. Pretty sure he doesn't think highly of Japanese studios and their "not god of war" numbers.
Lol about abandoned. Yeah that was the most bizarre possible thing. Sometimes I think PlayStation is nothing but a marketing agency that doesn't actually know anything about its video games business. Ever since kutaragi stepped down, hirai, tretton and house carried the torch for a while but after them, we got this.
@KundaliniRising333 Spot on. We've been comparing prices to being a bit under a base 4070. In reality it's equivalent to a $300 4060 you can get for $250. Ouch! Actually in AMD terms is worse than the $260 RX7600 you can get for $200 but with a better scaler. Double ouch. It may be better than a PS5 but it's still terribly below even bottom barrel PCs.
@Northern_munkey There's a certain irony in comparing the PS5 Pro to a Neo Geo without a hint of irony... 😂
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How dare the ill intended predate upon our underage clientele. We reserve that right exclusively!
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Why not just choose by popularity and sales? VBucks and Shark Cards can be GOTY every year forever and ever!
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This sounds like an opportunity to implement a mini-game!
Re: PS5 Pro vs PS5: Full Tech Specs Comparison
@Raffles very very interesting results! Glad you followed up! Initially from the leaked specs and Cerny statementsI think all of us thought 4070. Then the printed specs looked 4060ish. But this reality is pretty meh for that price. Better than a $300 GPU, worse than a $500 all for $700.. yeah it's the whole machine but still... The CPU remains poor anyway. Not matching a 6800? Oof.
I suppose they have a market for it and that's a market that likes "better" but doesn't really care if it's that much better and its willing to pay high premium for convenience. IDK, consoles really have to rethink their specs and pricing going forward. This isn't going to be sustainable with hardware like that for pieces like this forever.
Re: The Game Awards Confirms DLC, Remasters Can Win Game of the Year Days Prior to Nominations Reveal
Let's just make fortnite goty for the next 20 years or so. Then we don't have to watch A the Doriton Pope at all anymore. 🤡
Re: In USA, the PS5 Pro Launched with Similar Sales to the PS4 Pro
@Ravix I don't see that problem. Does it play Indiana Jones? Sea of thieves? Doom? Sounds like it's an Xbox just like it says it is.
Re: In USA, the PS5 Pro Launched with Similar Sales to the PS4 Pro
I think that launch always goes to the same people basically. The people who reliably buy the new thing every time no matter what. Launch is probably predictable. The longer term will be interesting. Especially in this economy. Gaming, and PlayStation in particular is in a really weird market now.
Re: Awful PS3 Game Haze a Comparison for Black Ops 6 Fans Complaining About Ridiculous Character Skins
I paid money for Haze. I wouldn't pay money for this.
I had no idea cod was now just fortnite. I thought it was still a historical fiction American military series with Jerry Bruckheimer presentation. Not shark men shooting glowing aliens. No wonder it's a kids game. Desert Storm didn't make sense to my for modern kids but it really is just a cartoon apparently now?
Re: PS5's Stellar Blade Sweeps All Seven Categories at Korea Game Awards
I'm looking forward to the Singapore game awards. Rumor says Skull and Bones may make a clean sweep.
Re: You'll Never See This Potential TV Mass Effect Commander Shepard Pick Coming
@nessisonett BroShep is the only Shep, but only because of the comical delivery. FemShep makes ME feel like it's taking itself seriously. BroShep always feels like a total nerdball in space, which is half of the fun.
@themightyant nailed it though. Broshep is like a big puppydog with a gun with Meer's VA. Hale seems like the only viable renegade option because Meer sounds like Mr. Rogers saying he's going to mug you.
Re: Veteran Trophy Hunter Hakoom Quits PlayStation Over Alleged Account Suspension Storm
I'm sorry, who what did when, now?
Re: LEGO Horizon Adventures (PS5) - Dull Design Lets Down This Gorgeous Spin-Off
This game was always a bizarre thing for existing, and I'm not really sure why it does. Even Concord seems more original.
Re: Star Trek Actor Voices Sylens in LEGO Horizon Adventures
Awwww man, I'm conflicted. I hated the idea of continuing the Sylens character without Lance, because the Sylens character is Lance and it just feels completely wrong to have anyone else try to do it with how unique his voice was. But, yet, I love Tim Russ! I might be able to tolerate the change with him. But it's also going to gnaw at me because Lance was Lance and that voice can't be swapped.
Re: Stellar Blade's Eve Bags a New Body Double for PS5 Favourite's Upcoming Update
@IamJT Why wait? "Rumor: Dude in a Chair with a Camera says Anonymous Source Claims FFXVII is a Collect-a-thon-Platformer-RPG." FIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT!
Re: Stellar Blade's Anticipated PC Port Takes Flight Sometime in 2025
Lol, that subheading is golden.
I didn't end up playing much on PS as it kind of lost my interest as a souls like bargain basement Nier automata and then I switched to PC, but once this starts hitting good steam sales and now has an actual automata dlc coming I'll bite on PC.
Though I'm still painfully stuck on wukong and theres only so much of this type of battle system one can take.
Re: Secret Level Creator Comments on Concord's Awkward Anthology Inclusion
The reasons it failed are obvious to everyone but Herman, the Firewall leadership, and this guy.
Re: Stellar Blade's Eve Bags a New Body Double for PS5 Favourite's Upcoming Update
I remain so grateful for the existence of this game, as it continues to deliver the most entertaining comment threads this side of a Final Fantasy argument.
Re: Hogwarts Legacy a Huge Priority for PS5, Will Connect to HBO TV Show
@Rich33 Very belated, but that's actually great catches of the Gaunt family connection to Voldemort, I somehow never connected the Gaunt references an Marvolo!
Re: Game Size Not as Important as It Used to Be, Says Yakuza Creator
I agree to a point, the bloated messes of giant games is far too much filler and far too little content often enough, but I also think if we're going to walk back games to smaller we also have to walk the prices back. Lower prices for smaller experiences might be highly in demand. But paying $70 or $80 to get less won't fly.
Re: Fortnite OG Sticks Around As Permanent Mode from 6th December
The talk about "7 years" and nostalgia I think highlights one big problem with a big segment of the games industry and how it collides with fans. Too much of the game industry still revolves around the kid-cycle like the toy industry, so that "7 years" is this really long time that "oh man d00d, I remember this from when I was a kid!" (says a 12 year old.) While for everyone else 7 years is still "new."
Re: Hands On: PS5 Pro Injects More Magic into Hogwarts Legacy
@LiamCroft Surprising to hear but good to know. Very surprising though that it would be all that popular. Personally though I'm not buying a 5 Pro, I did buy a 4 Pro, a SWOLED, a One X, and even as I bought all of those, individual game articles on enhancements like this would not at all have appealed to me, nor with GPU upgrades on PC, I'll check out the hardware reviews and comparisons, but not search for per-game differences one at a time like this. Can't imagine how it appeals to buyers or non buyers, but if it apparently does, I guess, yay.
Re: Hands On: PS5 Pro Injects More Magic into Hogwarts Legacy
@Rich33 It's not a massive event. It's the same exact console with a modest GPU upgrade for nearly double the price. Only in marketing-enhanced PlayStation Land is that a massive event.
Imagine if Nintendo Life had months of it's feed covered in mostly comprisons of how much better the SWOLED looked in every game. It's a similar level event. And similarly PXB doesn't have articles comparing every single game on S and X. Yeah they're milking it because it's new because they're milking the SEO. These articles aren't for the readership, they're for Google hits.
Re: Hands On: PS5 Pro Injects More Magic into Hogwarts Legacy
@Rich33 PC sites will do HARDWARE comparisons with a standard set of common benchmark games and test suites when new hardware launches, mostly comparing fps results at the same set of settings.
Not separate analysis of every single game on the new card, page after page after page. Not detail zoom ins of one versus another. Just a performance comparison at like settings.
Though once consoles have "tiers" console already failed. You're just choosing between an open PC platform or a closed one.
Re: Hands On: PS5 Pro Injects More Magic into Hogwarts Legacy
@LiamCroft @Rich33 Love it as you guys will, I happen to find Push a less interesting site now that the whole site is just "here's how much better PS5 games would run on an old PC."
Either cover the PS5, or buy yourselves a cheap Zen2 4070 laptop and cover that, I'm sure you can get one on Black Friday for about the same price as a disc+stand PS5 Pro, and it'll amaze you if you think the Pro is all that!
Re: Hands On: PS5 Pro Injects More Magic into Hogwarts Legacy
I still question the hyperbole around a lot of the rhetoric around how "amazing" the PS5 Pro is, unless Hogwarts ran particularly terribly on the PS5.
Hogwarts is a game I've played fully on a Series X (which I believe ran worse than it did on PS5 at the time?), and again on a 4070 Ti Super, and also on a 4090. The 4070TiS vs 4090 has zero difference, the 4090 can just hit more extreme 3 digit fps. The 4070TiS does have some increased sharpness, the ray tracing adds "different" lighting you would neither notice as better or worse without side by sides. Does it look "better" with all the settings maxed? Somewhat, but it's far from what I would consider a significant difference, Hogwarts is a technological marvel how it ran on the consoles.
Edit: And just to be clear, not knocking this article which is very clear it's not a big difference, just highlighting that this game highlights that some of those OTHER articles going into hyperbole are questionable.
Re: Australia's Planned Social Media Ban to Include PSN
@Northern_munkey Coming from the country of Bud Light, I'm unallowed to laugh at that joke.
Re: Australia's Planned Social Media Ban to Include PSN
But when will they ban Vegemite? 🤔
Re: Sony Boss Says It's 'Learned a Lot' from PC Player Pushback
@ButWhy agreed but the fight against those already HAS been going on, and, have you seen Ubisoft financials?
Microsoft actually doesn't do it. Their online games like sot do but not single player. Bethesda does, they were doing that before Ms bought them and inevitably someday Bethesda accounts won't exist and will be Microsoft accounts and likely won't require it anymore. That is kind of the point
Sony is doing this worse than Microsoft by miles. They're in the pool with EA and Ubisoft and Rockstar and nobody is very happy with those 3 on PC either.
Re: Sony Ships 65.5 Million PS5 Consoles, in Line with PS4
@UnlimitedSevens that's 77m games sold in one quarter, not lifetime. The attach rate is probably healthy. But more interesting is the fact that about 7% are first party. "Exclusives sell consoles" my rear.
Re: Sony Boss Says It's 'Learned a Lot' from PC Player Pushback
@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare I'd like to believe you're right however the fact that he's even couching the requirement behind the phrase "offering" makes me very doubtful.
"accounts that we have offered – well actually, by offering them, for instance, sometimes that tends to invite pushback,”
The IRS annually offers us donation boxes, too.
@themightyant That kind of data works with anonymous data aggregation. It doesn't need user accounts at all, and secondary launchers for that. The information they want here is not optimization and bug finding in nature. It's personal information they're after.
Re: Sony Ships 65.5 Million PS5 Consoles, in Line with PS4
In terms of their financial health I think too many people are forgetting just how much in the way of operating expenses they've shed from closures, downsizing, and staff reduction to arrive at these figures. Getting figures up like this is the reason all the closures and layoffs occur to begin with.
Re: 'Mind Boggling' Horizon Forbidden West Has the Best Console Image Quality Ever on PS5 Pro
@twitchtvpat It's not the fact that they're covering a new product that's a big deal, it's the manner in which they're doing so that raises red flags. Grasping at straws for minute content, beating the drum larger and louder to drown out all other goings on (even when the Pro will account for a tiny percent of even hardcore fans), and most of all the blatant hyperbole and bait language. @Banjo- cited a few of those great examples "mind boggling", "will melt your face", "lightyears beyond" - there's quite a few other gems around in the articles that go not just beyond excitement, but beyond even ad copy, where even actual marketing departments would be cautious about so much exaggeration. It's both comical and very bizarre, to say the least.
Re: Sony Boss Says It's 'Learned a Lot' from PC Player Pushback
F-off Totoki. There's a certain level of understanding a for the online games on their own servers, but for single player games to sit there and say "we learned and will change nothing" and lie about it. "We need to protect the players?" From what? playing privately offline without targeted marketing data collection occurring? "Offering" accounts? Absolutely nobody has a problem with being offered accounts. People have a problem with being forced to use an account. PC players dislike games that require a second layer of DRM on top of the layer of DRM they already chose. PC players have always disliked games that do that and the publishers that force them to. If Sony wants to put themselves in the basket with EA and Ubisoft in terms of customer perception, that's their choice. Just expect public discourse to put them in the same basket as EA and Ubisoft.
Re: 'Mind Boggling' Horizon Forbidden West Has the Best Console Image Quality Ever on PS5 Pro
@Banjo- I think it's because the Sun, the Mirror, and National Enquirer are all carefully scrutinizing the articles to learn new ways to gain views.
I can't even come with a joke "I did X with a PS5 Pro for a week and you won't BELIEVE what happened next" headline, because none of them I can come up with as a joke are anywhere near as overstated and hyperbolic as the actual headlines have been. They hype words being thrown around in the headlines go far beyond tabloid headlines and all rational statements. It's a midrange GPU upgrade, not a generational leap, but you wouldn't know that from headlines and articles that hype the pro more than the PS4 to PS5 jump articles did.
IDK if it's just Sammy's personal enthusiasm or an organizational paid bias, but it's jarring and cringey. To be fair to Sammy, he was scathing when it was first announced, and hasn't even had one to play on prior to now (if he even has one now) and mostly just keeps echoing DF who has had such a cringey and obvious bias as one of the only outlets Sony granted a super early access machine to analyze (no conflict of interest there, and note even Push was not one of those outlets), so I'm going to guess the bizarre and uncomfortable hype is not his personal take coming through but something more.....business..?
Re: PS5 Pro Makes Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth Look Like a Whole New Game
@GASEOUS OMG it's still using UE4 and still manages to run that poorly?? I do not have enough palms to face.
Re: Nintendo and The Pokémon Company Want to Stop the Sale of Palworld
Nintendo is an organization founded in a yakuza den specializing in making laundered cards for illegal gambling. It's not like their history isn't informative of who they are lol
We're talking about an organization that as soon as Japan was beaten in the war and surrendered, while most of Japan resented their new foreign provisional government and occupying forces, Hiroshi Yamuchi ran to the provisional government to secure an exclusivity contract on selling playing cards to the occupiers. Nintendo never changes.
Re: Hypnotic PS5 Pro Boot Screen, Background Worth the Upgrade
Oh 😮
I was against the pro, but this changes everything, an animated boot screen? Why didn't Cerny say this sooner? Not since the Xbox One have we had the console bliss of animated boot screens. And every UEFI ever. Sony take my money!
Re: Hands On: $700 Later and Dragon's Dogma 2 PS5 Pro Performance Is Still Far from Perfect
@tclarke90 yeah same boat for me. When I head what pro was rumored to be, I expected the price to be right where it is, saw Xbox capsizing and went back to PC as a result as well. Pro is a mess and this giant party everyone is throwing over crappie CPU and low mid-range GPU for $700 is baffling (especially from DF, everything feels off about their coverage. I blame push a bit less because they mostly live in a console bubble and don't know the difference)
Though I still blame the devs because they know the specs of the PS5 which is the main console in circulation. Build your game to run right on the hardware the customers use. And that goes to Epic too. They built that engine with the current consoles in mind early on. Why does it basically not work? Even ignoring the pro.
Re: Hands On: $700 Later and Dragon's Dogma 2 PS5 Pro Performance Is Still Far from Perfect
@Cerny To be fair, while Sony is f'd up, the issue isn't really Sony's fault. It's that devs by and larger are releasing games with trash optimization and relying on brute forcing to fix the game. The problem is the consoles don't have the grunt to brute force things the way super high end PC does, and the devs just seem to be relying on letting Nvidia and the consumer spending thousands to sort out their mess.
Where Sony's problem comes into play is the existence of the pro, much like the PS5 itself, is too expensive for the console space, and too weak to actually be able to brute force the way these games really require. It's an awkward product that probably shouldn't exist. Not that people that get what they want out of it won't enjoy it, but it's a VERY expensive way to not actually fully address the real problems. It's like a jet missing 100lb of fuel required to get to it's destination, so they emergency refuel mid-air another 60lb of fuel. Not only did they take the most expensive way to address the problem, they still can't get to the destination anyway but they'll feel better getting closer.
The only way to fix the real problem is to fix the entirety of the software side of the industry and return them to making games fit for the console rather than last minute ports of PC games. To do that Sony and Nintendo and MS would have to put their foot down and force developers to meet quality standards on their hardware for licensing. But they're not going to do that because people buy the garbage anyway.
Re: Hands On: $700 Later and Dragon's Dogma 2 PS5 Pro Performance Is Still Far from Perfect
@Rich33 I'm probably the one that you're thinking of talking about that, and yes, it's only using between 7-28% CPU on a 7800x3D, usually in the single digits, and that's with the praydog VR mod running on top of it and SteamVR/OpenXR + Virtual Desktop encoding/streaming to a Quest 3. That said it's not struggling at all on that CPU but it's informative that it's actually using so little, implying it's all on a single core, and explains some of the issue on consoles and weaker CPUs.
Re: 'Mind Boggling' Horizon Forbidden West Has the Best Console Image Quality Ever on PS5 Pro
Am I the only one who finds Push's hyperbolic extreme marketing of the Pro incredibly uncomfortable? Let alone that DF is really the main one with hyperbolic extreme marketing for pro, and then Push keeps regurgitating it, but adding even more hyperbole to it.
Whether for or against pro, I'm finding this very obvious marketing push on both parties to make me as uncomfortable around their objectivity as any Keighley presentation.
Re: 20 Years Later, Identity of Metal Gear Solid 3 Eva Voice Actress Revealed
I still can't watch Bambi 😂
I also like the reference to "the scene" like we're avoiding spoilers for a movie released in 1942 😂. I thought we're were over the spoiler avoidance for Aerith but this is a new level lol!
Yeah, Disney was really different back then. Not at all like the saccharine stuff of today.
Re: Gran Turismo 7 Clocks Native 4K/120fps on PS5 Pro Via Game Boost, Pre-Enhanced Patch
120 is great if they mean vr mode. The I do hope they also clean up the visuals because I'm vr it's pretty darned blurry from mid distance on .
Re: 20 Years Later, Identity of Metal Gear Solid 3 Eva Voice Actress Revealed
Since when is The Little Mermaid family friendly? There's more euphemisms in that movie than any Kojima game 😂
Re: Take-Two Has Sold Its Private Division Subsidiary to an Unnamed Buyer
@Bluemoon2008 Take2 is arguably the worst of all. Even EA looks squeaky clean next to them.
Re: PS5 Pro vs PS5: Full Tech Specs Comparison
@Raffles All very true and until the spec reveal today we've all been going by the 4070-ish comparison card based on Cerny quoting 40%, so if that is proving true then you're correct, the original estimate is not affected by today's reveal.
Re: PS5 Pro vs PS5: Full Tech Specs Comparison
@Raffles PS5 is closer to 2070 or 3060, not 4060. I've previously compared pro to 4070, expecting from the leaks and Cerny it would be close but just below 4070. But at 16.x tflops it's very marginally better than a 4060 (15.x tflops) only. That's shockingly lame. We've been thinking 33 this whole time!
The discussions that @windxtravelerx posted about screams 4060 territory as well
Re: More People Are Playing the Original Horizon Zero Dawn Than Its Remaster on PC
@somnambulance that's a good point about him saying no major IP release this year while releasing concord which he said was the future if the company and a star wars level ip. And clearly he didn't think much of astrobot. Pretty sure he doesn't think highly of Japanese studios and their "not god of war" numbers.
Lol about abandoned. Yeah that was the most bizarre possible thing. Sometimes I think PlayStation is nothing but a marketing agency that doesn't actually know anything about its video games business. Ever since kutaragi stepped down, hirai, tretton and house carried the torch for a while but after them, we got this.
Re: PS5 Pro vs PS5: Full Tech Specs Comparison
@KundaliniRising333 Spot on. We've been comparing prices to being a bit under a base 4070. In reality it's equivalent to a $300 4060 you can get for $250. Ouch! Actually in AMD terms is worse than the $260 RX7600 you can get for $200 but with a better scaler. Double ouch. It may be better than a PS5 but it's still terribly below even bottom barrel PCs.
@Northern_munkey There's a certain irony in comparing the PS5 Pro to a Neo Geo without a hint of irony... 😂