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With that resonance, I am surprised that DQ3 HD wasn’t released on PS4 as well. That would have shifted many more copies I think.

Was Battlefield 1 really a bad attempt? I think it was quite successful back in the day, and critics were also positive.

I just tested the new update 4.0.0 with locally playing Astro‘s Playroom. I used this for testing all PS Portal updates, because it has a very clean image, fluidity and timing are crucial for this game, and problems are immediately noticeable. I also tested Doom 2016.

What can I say? Sony, mission accomplished! That‘s the experience I expected from the first day.

• Fluid 60 fps, with only rare frame drops
• Pristine image quality, no compression visible
• Latency is most noticable in menus, while Astro gameplay is totally fine. For Doom, the latency is too high

So while I‘d wish to see lower latency in future updates, I‘m pretty certain that this is the best we will get in this regard, and that the PS Portal experience will not significantly change in future.

Here is a great video in German, testing the update 4.0.0:

• Micro stutters with local play are COMPLETELY GONE, „completely new feeling“, tested with FC 24 and Rayman Legends
• Latency with cloud streaming is significant, I would consider it unacceptable.

https://youtu.be/RGUpeXaZBgg?si=xMkwzlo5IF2KtoMc

For PS Portal, cloud streaming probably works better than local PS5 streaming:

• The cloud encoder will likely encode with 60 Hz which is optimal for PS Portal, not the 59.94 Hz of the PS5 encoder which causes the infamous PS Portal Stutters.
• The PS5 (Pro) seems to use the Remote Play hardware of the PS4 Pro, which was an updated version (allows 1080p streaming) of the PS4 Remote Play hardware. In comparison, cloud streaming can use a state-of-the-art codec, with optimal settings for the PS Portal.

The effect: stutterfree streaming with sharper image quality.

The latency though?

Dear PushSquare team, please make the following poll. I‘m highly interested in the opinion of the people here.

Why do you think is nothing known about a Bloodborne Remastered for PS5 so far?

1) Remastered announcement incoming! (TGA, 10th anniversary, …)
2) Stuck in IP hell
3) Saved for PS6 release, similar to Demon‘s Souls
4) Sony doesn’t see enough value in that game for the effort

2021: Rift Apart was nominated, It Takes Two won, and Returnal wasn’t even nominated.

Btw Returnal: THAT would benefit a lot from a PS5 Pro patch!

Fortunately, some here in the comments already mentioned it:

We want FUN!

Many AAA games lack it, because they are based on safe, schematic gameplay mechanics.

Many smaller games lack it, because their world building is not well fleshed out.

Repetition is no fun for most of us.

Shadow of the Erdtree, despite only being an extension, is of more substance than many other games mentioned here. In the past, when time periods between two releases were shorter and this kind of DLC was not technically feasible, SotE would have been its own game. Same with Phantom Liberty. MW3 meanwhile is a prime example for a stand-aolne game which is more like a full-price DLC with LESS substance than SotE and PL.

So: Allowing MW3 while blocking SotE and PL?

Is „Active Reloading“ mandatory? I don’t like this „immersive“ stuff in VR, for me it’s just uncomfortable fiddling, same as swinging the WiiMote.

Sony is also to blame here. They should offer an SDK which should avoid such problems and make it easy for devs to implement the new functions. Alan Wake 2 and Star Wars Jedi Survivor also suffer from instable pictures.

PSSR is not (yet) the simple plug-and-play solution.

CoD is unrealistic, because otherwise nobody would play it. Sitting in a wet trench or ruin for hours and sh*tting your pants because of permanent artillery shelling, this is the daily experience of special forces these days. CoD is a weird power fantasy, born in weird American action movies. Green glowing aliens and human sharks even probably help to open the eyes of those CoD teens out there.

@nessisonett This! I never knew the reason why I dislike the idea of PS5 Pro. You’re right: Base PS5 feels like a PS4 Pro Pro, and PS5 Pro feels like the PROPER new generation, also regarding the price.

X made it so much easier to behave unprofessionally.

@RoomWithaMoose State of Play and Showcases are a major responsibility of the marketing department. Who else should take responsibility for them?

@DonJorginho If Sony finds out that many people are willing to pay £600+ for the PS6, then this is priced accordingly.

And lower sales numbers are not hurting Sony too much, as we see today, because obviously a surprisingly large percentage of their PSN sales seems to be for PS4 games on PS4 consoles.

What Sony really meant with „We belive in generations“: „We believe that two generations will us make money for a longer period of time in parallel.“

Hermen is really pushing hard with this stuff. Aloy-as-a-Service must be his wet dream.

@Czar_Khastik Sounds more like a permanent break-up. Why should anyone here read such articles when there’s no more comment from you?

3rd December has the disadvantage of being in the Christmas shopping season. From a marketing standpoint, you want to put your message before Black Friday, and then ride this wave till the end. With a show on 3rd December, Sony could create negative feelings for some customers, who have already bought the presents and then regret it because something more fitting is announced.

Therefore, I don’t believe in a show with major new announcements.

This ad seems to address the Amateur players, which dare to buy physical (!) disks (!).

@Medic_alert I just googled it, Doom indeed didn’t use FP calculations at all, totally fascinating. My first PC was a Pentium 166 with an nVidia Riva 128 plus a Voodoo 1. Incredibly fast for its time, but totally outdated after two years. Today’s kids have no idea how extreme progress in computing was back then.

@Medic_alert Gaming without a floating point unit, almost unthinkable today. Did Doom support FPUs, or was (is) it just using integers?

@DennisReynolds @Nexosi I fully agree. I use an iPhone Pro and don’t want to miss it, but I keep mine for typically 4 or 5 years because of the minor progress from generation to generation.

The main difference between a smartphone and a console: People can brag with their phones, and if they get a new one, they can easily put it away in some drawer („as a replacement if the new one breaks“). If somebody brags with their PS5 Pro, they make a joke out of themselves. And a PS5 doesn’t fit in a standard drawer.

@Nexozi Please guess: How often does the average user unlock their iPhone per day? It’s 80 times. This reflects the very high importance of smartphones these days for most people, more important than a watch, and only beaten by glasses and other medical devices. A video game console meanwhile…

Main difference: Peter‘s shirt is more open in the Performance Pro mode.

@Loamy We live in a world where everyone can enjoy great TV series via streaming services. So why should I play a game with pathetic dialog which obviously aims for teenage girls?

There are dozens of games with PS5 Pro improvements PushSquare can make articles of. God bless Sony!

@KillerBoy You‘re right, Concord was the biggest PS single player game in 2024.

@REALAIS This silent robot has more personality than the whole cast of Stellar Blade combined.

@ZeroSum ???

@ZeroSum I talk specifically about GoW:R!

You cite Digital Foundry. Then you probably know that

• there have been 120 fps games almost right from the start (CoD Black Ops Cold War),
• the PS5 (Pro) CPU can achieve stable 60 fps (GoW:R), but not much more. Nixxes struggled for a long time reach stable 60 fps for Zen 1 and Zen 2 CPUs, just recently they could finally improve it to acceptable results above 60 fps.

It is clear that genuine 120 fps with the Pro is out of reach for GoW:R. The way to go here is frame generation, using the additional GPU power for that. Be it with FSR3.1 (while using PSSR for upscaling), or with a PSSR frame generation solution, which might come or not (maybe the hardware is flexible enough to do it).

However, is Santa Monica willing to implement frame generation into this game? I don’t think they will ever touch the code again to modify GoW:R.

120 fps seems quite unlikely at this point. I repeat myself: With only a small increase in CPU clocks and no architectural changes (still a standard PS5 Zen 2 CPU, obviously no 3D cache or other improvements), the CPU becomes the bottleneck.

Maybe in a few months, Sony will provide a PS5 Pro firmware update which enables AI frame generation on the PSSR AI units, like Nvidia did for its Ada Lovelace graphics cards. With that, a nice boost from 60 to 120 fps would be possible with the existing CPU. But that’s mostly speculation from my side.

I‘m quite surprised by Rich‘s comparison of PS4 Pro and PS5 Pro. The PS4 Pro brought a significant boost in CPU clocks AND GPU clocks, while the CPU boost of PS5 Pro is minor at best. And this CPU boost had great effects on the performance of CPU limited games like GoW and CoD Blops 6.

These were gains which the PS5 Pro will NOT facilitate. And the CPU limitation of the PS5 (Pro) is already real, especially for UE5 games.

Long story short: PS4 Pro could boost game performance where PS5 Pro can not. A game which can’t reach 60 fps on the base PS5 will not reach it on the Pro, if the graphics settings are not completely messed up by the devs in the first place.

We will remember the PS5 Pro as a console with an unimpressive boost, and the excitement will remain low.

This improvements in framerate are obviously the result of a higher GPU performance.

That means:

• The minimum resolution set by the developer is too high to hit 60 fps with the base machine.
• They could relatively easily fix the framerate by lowering the lower limit for resolution.
• As a consequence , the already poor image quality would take an even harder hit.
• PS5 Pro can only mitigate a poor optimasation with raw computational power.

Big question: Will they offer a Pro patch with PSSR? Then they could hit a constant 60 fps (with a lower base resolution) while preventing an acceptable image quality.

THAT‘S why Nintendo refuses to add user scores to its eShop.

@DennisReynolds 60 fps was standard on my first console, the SNES. The switch to 3D games (starting with Star Fox etc. on the SNES) with their 30 fps (and less!) was a big backlash.

PS5 finally achieved for 3D games what the SNES achieved back then for 2D games: 60 fps, great games, no loading times.

@LowDefAl I find it great as well, dear @PushSquare team!

I see no reason not to offer a 60 fps mode on the base machine.

The minimal lower CPU clocks? This can’t be the reason!

The 36% lower GPU clocks? Then reduce the rendering resolution on both axis by 20%, i.e. if the base resolution for Pro is 1080p (from which it then upscales to 4k with PSSR ), then choose 864p and upscale it from there with FSR3 to e.g. 1440p.

@get2sammyb Indiana will presumably be best not on PS5 Pro, but on PC. And I was skeptical in the past about the future of PC gaming, but this is the easiest available platform in many new markets, and that’s why Microsoft is emphasizing it.

You need to count the pixels manually to find out whether it’s on Pro or the base model, because Insomniac‘s upscaler works so well. Okay, RT reflections are a better, but they have to explicitly show it in this video.

Ergo: FF7 Rebirth aside, the differences we have seen so far are minor at best. In a world where YouTube videos are mainly watched on smartphones instead on 4k TVs, it’s a tough sell for Sony!

I thought the current PS philosophy is „show, don’t tell“. This obviously doesn’t quite work out for the PS5 Pro in many cases, as showing means pixel-peeping.

@dskatter Nixxes could have also made a Bloodborne Remastered for PS5 and PC, or a Astro Bot Rescue Mission Remastered for PSVR2 and PC. That would have made MUCH more sense than a remaster of a game that already runs flawlessly with 60 fps on PS5 and PC.

But Aloy is Hermen‘s baby. And I‘d be surprised if the critical success of Astro Bot would go down well for him: NOT GaaS, NOT a massive 60+ hours formulatic open-world game for USD 200m, but a smaller, super-creative game with character.

I hope that Nicolas Doucet from Team Asobi soon becomes the new CEO of SIE and moves SIE to where it was when it was called SCE, to Japan.

All what these pictures create inside of me is not a craving for the PS5 Pro but for a proper Bloodborne Remastered.

„Sony’s supercharged system could make dramatic enhancements to your PS4 library“

That contains more drama than the Resetera post.

Who needs a PS5 for Fortnite, FC and CoD Blops 6?

@CielloArc Tbf, they recently announced Ghost of Yotei, which is really something. And the drama around Concord was a great show for sure.

@nessisonett Why this negativity? If I wouldn’t have a PS5, of course I would buy a Pro at this point. Like many others here, I have a (good) job, and gaming is a hobby of mine, so why bother?

I don’t buy a Pro because I don’t know what to do with my existing standard model. I have no other place where it makes sense to use it, and selling it via eBay etc. is just not my thing.

We should be honest here: Most of us would buy a Pro as their first PS5 without considering the base model.

Hermen loves his talkative baby Aloy so much.

So, more Horizon?

@nessisonett I just started playing Killzone SF. And now I got a better understanding of its director.

200m for „the initial development deal“. These are no news, it was revealed in the 400m story. But do these 200m include the late extra efforts for supporting studios? I don’t understand them as „initial“, so I highly doubt this.

A support studio, guessing the need for fixing an unfinished game within a few months, which should become „The Future of PS“ with Star Wars-like IP value: Such a support can demand EVERY price! And now imaging there are SEVERAL of these studios.