Should have asked "what's everyone's favourite game apart from Astro Bot". It looks awesome, I hope the current hype is indicative of how well it will sell.
@Omnistalgic It's just disappointing, the idea of him softening up is pretty far fetched considering he was already shown to be cautious and distrusting right before the apocalypse. While his life would have been comparably easier after moving into Jackson, due to still facing danger somewhat regularly and actively having to be cautious to avoid Ellie learning the truth, it doesn't really make sense to the point he would soften up to point of it getting himself killed.
Negative character development can be written really well. The downfall of Griffith from Berserk is an excellent example, as it shows as logical progression. Joel's softening wasn't shown at all on screen, we're just expected to believe it after seeing him get killed which is why so many people hate his death.
@Flaming_Kaiser I'm skeptical of anyone that get's a 4 year old game spoilt for them by looking in the comments of an article about the deveopler, but how to I add spoilers so I can edit my comment?
@Artois2 To explain why Joel's death did not suit him as a character, I'll first give a example of a character that died a very fitting death. Don't read the next paragraph if you don't want Game of Thrones spoilers.
Robb Stark was shown to be an effective battlefield commander, but also shown he was somewhat naive when it came to politics. It all led to him being betrayed at his Uncle's wedding by his own allies. It started by him breaking his vow to the Frey's by marrying another women, due to him being emotionally compromised due to lots of bad news. After taking heavy losses partly due to rough political decisions, he was forced to arrange his Uncle's wedding. It all made perfect sense why the Freys and Boltons betrayed him. Bear in mind Robb was my favourite character, so according to TLOU2 fanboys I should have hated GoT because of this, but it was an amazing death because the events that led up to it made perfect sense, and it was due to the clear result of his character flaws.
On the other hand Joel is consistently meant to be an extremely cautious character (in the first 15 minutes of the first game he doesn't let struggling bystanders into his car), yet he died because he gave away his name. Abby's motives do make sense for killing Joel if it can be believed she still has the motivation for it 5 years after Joel killed the doctor. Yet instead of the WLF actually making the effort to find/lure Joel out, they just happen to stumble across him in the best possible scenario for them. They didn't have to plan anything or have any trouble, it as easy as just having him standing in the middle of the room of dodgy and suspicious strangers. Then by sheer coincidence, Ellie comes along at exactly the right time to see Joel get murdered.
The first death mentioned was the consequence of their actions, and happened from an elaborate and carefully made plan. Joel's death happened in the way it did, because the moon happened to be in the right place in the sky. I don't have a problem with Joel dying, it was the fact it was hamfisted and required so many coincidences to happen.
@Artois2 Off the top of my head: Awful pacing, unlikable characters, boring dialogue, tone is dark throughout so it just loses impact, many moments being extremely contrived, purposefully ruined characters like Tommy, ending made the game feel like a complete waste of time.
In the first game the highs and lows which complimented each other and made such moments stand out, whereas Part 2 is just consistently bleak so it's just easy to not care by the end of it.
TLOU2 contrary to what the fanboys seem to think, is not the first story to have a major character death. Game of Thrones and Attack on Titan both have major deaths, and those stories are amazing because the characters in that died in ways that made sense and made perfect sense for the character. The major death in TLOU2 does not fit the character at all, with the circumstances being very contrived. That's why it baffles me when fanboys dismiss all criticism of the game as "you just didn't like the character death".
@UltimateOtaku91 If there are plenty of stories in which main characters die but are still loved, you reckon there could be more to why TLOU2 is hated, like awful writing?
@RoomWithaMoose The closure of Japan Studio is genuinely some of the worst gaming news I have ever heard. Such a slap in the face for developers that made some of Playstation's best games.
I get the frustration, having to require an extra login just to play one game is really unnecessary and the trend needs to stop. That being said, the reaction is excessive.
It's a great reversible cover, but it's infuriating when they don't put the PS5 strip on it, so the case will look out of place with all the other PS5 games.
They're not reaching 60fps for the same reason modern gen consoles are apparently incapable of 4-player splitscreen; graphical fidelity takes priority at the expense of everything.
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Re: Atomfall PS5, PS4's Apocalyptic UK Setting Will Be Familiar for All Those Unfortunate Enough to Live in Britain Today
Country is unrecognisable after Brexit.
I joke, this looks really interesting.
Re: We Heard You Like Dark Fantasy Action RPGs! So, Here's WUCHANG: Fallen Feathers on PS5
I swear the next video game crash is gonna come from all of these Soulslikes.
Re: Horror Hit Alan Wake 2 Is Getting a Retail PS5 Release Because You Wouldn't Shut Up About It
Common sense prevailed?
Re: There's a Damn Good Reason to Buy Astro Bot Physically on PS5
I mean I was set on it anyway, but I'll take more reasons.
Re: Video: Is Concord Destined to Fail?
Don't know, and I'm happy if people enjoy it, but ultimately I really don't care either way.
Re: Astro's Playroom PS5 Gets New Update, New Trophies Out of Nowhere
Literally playing this for the first time this evening, was very confused when it popped up. Happy though, absolutely loving this game.
Re: Anticipated Horror Game Slitterhead Debuts First Gameplay at SGF
Oh nice, I was thinking it had been ages since we had seen this game.
Re: Astro Bot Is the 'Biggest' Game Team ASOBI Has Ever Made
Extremely hyped for this, strongly considering pre-ordering it, maybe the collector's edition if there is one for it.
Re: Poll: What Was Your Favourite Game from State of Play?
Should have asked "what's everyone's favourite game apart from Astro Bot". It looks awesome, I hope the current hype is indicative of how well it will sell.
Re: Astro Bot Looks Absolutely Glorious, Lands on PS5 This September
@GymratAmarillo Don't worry, I am buying this day one.
Re: Astro Bot Looks Absolutely Glorious, Lands on PS5 This September
@zidane4028 As awful as Japan Studio's closure is, at least this is a testament they still lived on somewhat.
Re: Astro Bot Looks Absolutely Glorious, Lands on PS5 This September
Haven't been this excited for a game in ages, easily the winner of the show.
Is it the final title though, it's a bit weird considering it's not the first in the series.
Re: Poll: What Did You Think of Sony's State of Play for May 2024?
Most of it was pretty meh, with some occasional decent announcements. It really couldn't have started off worse, but it did get better.
The Astro Bot game was made it worth watching, it easily stole the show for me.
Re: Hogwarts Legacy Summer Update Revealed with Photo Mode and More
@DennisReynolds I don't get why these things aren't just added day one, other than as a way to try and make the games talked about again.
Re: Talking Point: State of Play May 2024 Predictions - What's Next for PS5?
I will be happy with literally just an Astro Bot game playable without VR.
Re: State of Play Officially Confirmed for 30th May, Updates on PS5, PSVR2 Games
As usual I'll try and keep expectations low, but if this alleged Astro Bot game is announced and doesn't need VR, I will be ecstatic.
Re: Neil Druckmann Claims Comments of Next Naughty Dog Game 'Redefining' the Mainstream View of Gaming Was a Sony Misquote
@Omnistalgic It's just disappointing, the idea of him softening up is pretty far fetched considering he was already shown to be cautious and distrusting right before the apocalypse. While his life would have been comparably easier after moving into Jackson, due to still facing danger somewhat regularly and actively having to be cautious to avoid Ellie learning the truth, it doesn't really make sense to the point he would soften up to point of it getting himself killed.
Negative character development can be written really well. The downfall of Griffith from Berserk is an excellent example, as it shows as logical progression. Joel's softening wasn't shown at all on screen, we're just expected to believe it after seeing him get killed which is why so many people hate his death.
Re: Neil Druckmann Claims Comments of Next Naughty Dog Game 'Redefining' the Mainstream View of Gaming Was a Sony Misquote
@Flaming_Kaiser Done, thanks.
Re: Neil Druckmann Claims Comments of Next Naughty Dog Game 'Redefining' the Mainstream View of Gaming Was a Sony Misquote
@Flaming_Kaiser I'm skeptical of anyone that get's a 4 year old game spoilt for them by looking in the comments of an article about the deveopler, but how to I add spoilers so I can edit my comment?
Re: Neil Druckmann Claims Comments of Next Naughty Dog Game 'Redefining' the Mainstream View of Gaming Was a Sony Misquote
@Artois2 To explain why Joel's death did not suit him as a character, I'll first give a example of a character that died a very fitting death. Don't read the next paragraph if you don't want Game of Thrones spoilers.
Robb Stark was shown to be an effective battlefield commander, but also shown he was somewhat naive when it came to politics. It all led to him being betrayed at his Uncle's wedding by his own allies. It started by him breaking his vow to the Frey's by marrying another women, due to him being emotionally compromised due to lots of bad news. After taking heavy losses partly due to rough political decisions, he was forced to arrange his Uncle's wedding. It all made perfect sense why the Freys and Boltons betrayed him. Bear in mind Robb was my favourite character, so according to TLOU2 fanboys I should have hated GoT because of this, but it was an amazing death because the events that led up to it made perfect sense, and it was due to the clear result of his character flaws.
On the other hand Joel is consistently meant to be an extremely cautious character (in the first 15 minutes of the first game he doesn't let struggling bystanders into his car), yet he died because he gave away his name. Abby's motives do make sense for killing Joel if it can be believed she still has the motivation for it 5 years after Joel killed the doctor. Yet instead of the WLF actually making the effort to find/lure Joel out, they just happen to stumble across him in the best possible scenario for them. They didn't have to plan anything or have any trouble, it as easy as just having him standing in the middle of the room of dodgy and suspicious strangers. Then by sheer coincidence, Ellie comes along at exactly the right time to see Joel get murdered.
The first death mentioned was the consequence of their actions, and happened from an elaborate and carefully made plan. Joel's death happened in the way it did, because the moon happened to be in the right place in the sky. I don't have a problem with Joel dying, it was the fact it was hamfisted and required so many coincidences to happen.
Re: Neil Druckmann Claims Comments of Next Naughty Dog Game 'Redefining' the Mainstream View of Gaming Was a Sony Misquote
@Artois2 Off the top of my head: Awful pacing, unlikable characters, boring dialogue, tone is dark throughout so it just loses impact, many moments being extremely contrived, purposefully ruined characters like Tommy, ending made the game feel like a complete waste of time.
In the first game the highs and lows which complimented each other and made such moments stand out, whereas Part 2 is just consistently bleak so it's just easy to not care by the end of it.
TLOU2 contrary to what the fanboys seem to think, is not the first story to have a major character death. Game of Thrones and Attack on Titan both have major deaths, and those stories are amazing because the characters in that died in ways that made sense and made perfect sense for the character. The major death in TLOU2 does not fit the character at all, with the circumstances being very contrived. That's why it baffles me when fanboys dismiss all criticism of the game as "you just didn't like the character death".
Re: Neil Druckmann Claims Comments of Next Naughty Dog Game 'Redefining' the Mainstream View of Gaming Was a Sony Misquote
@UltimateOtaku91 If there are plenty of stories in which main characters die but are still loved, you reckon there could be more to why TLOU2 is hated, like awful writing?
Re: Fans Positively Review Bomb Hi-Fi Rush in Wake of Xbox’s Closure of Tango Gameworks
@RoomWithaMoose The closure of Japan Studio is genuinely some of the worst gaming news I have ever heard. Such a slap in the face for developers that made some of Playstation's best games.
Re: Square Enix to 'Aggressively' Pursue Multiplatform Strategy from Now On
Makes sense. If it's not a Playstation franchise, I see no reason why it should be exclusive.
Re: Next Battlefield Is Being Made By the Series' Largest Ever Team, EA Boasts
Yes, bigger always means better, no exceptions.
Re: Helldivers 2 PC Is Getting Review Bombed Over PSN Requirement
I get the frustration, having to require an extra login just to play one game is really unnecessary and the trend needs to stop. That being said, the reaction is excessive.
Re: Shift Up Reveals 'Secrets' of Stellar Blade's Physical PS5 Packaging
It's a great reversible cover, but it's infuriating when they don't put the PS5 strip on it, so the case will look out of place with all the other PS5 games.
So close yet so far.
Re: Stellar Blade Download Size Will Respect Your PS5 Storage
The fact that the devs put effort into compression and seem to care about player's storage space is always a very good sign.
Re: Beyond the Ice Palace Gets a Castlevania-Inspired Sequel 36 Years Later on PS5
That looks cool, nice to know it's never too late to release a sequel.
Re: Most PS5 Players Say 60fps Is a Must
60fps has been a possible standard for decades, devs are choosing to prioritise graphics over something that will improve gameplay.
Re: New MediEvil Trophy List Suggests PS1 Original Being Resurrected for PS Plus Premium
@JeongersGaming It's a massive missed opportunity.
Re: New MediEvil Trophy List Suggests PS1 Original Being Resurrected for PS Plus Premium
@DiggleDog I really wish it got remade alongside the first game, especially since that was already remade for the PSP.
Re: Poll: How Much Do You Care About 60fps on PS5?
They're not reaching 60fps for the same reason modern gen consoles are apparently incapable of 4-player splitscreen; graphical fidelity takes priority at the expense of everything.
Re: Horizon Forbidden West: The Hive
Weapon caches didn't show up with focus. This mission is awful.
Re: Media Molecule's Live Curation Support for Dreams Stops Next Month
It sucks, but at the very least I'm looking forward to what they make next.
Re: Both God of War PS5, PS4 Games Battle for Top Billing in Sony's Twitter Competition
Bit of a pointless poll if it has multiple Spider Man/GoW games and no Bloodborne though.
Re: Everyone's Talking About Eve's Outfits in PS5 Exclusive Stellar Blade
Looks good, seems like a lot of outfit choices, so if there's one you don't like, you can choose something else.
Re: Insomniac Devs Forced to Speak Out Against Social Media Abuse Over the Lack of Spider-Man 2 Updates
@Kidfried Ah ok, makes a bit more sense.
Even still, lack of communication aside, anything released after the main game apart from bug fixes should be taken as a plus, not mandatory.
Re: Insomniac Devs Forced to Speak Out Against Social Media Abuse Over the Lack of Spider-Man 2 Updates
Why are people even feeling entitled to updates on a single player game?
And why are people acting liking children about it?
Re: State of Play Announced, Covering More Than 15 PS5, PSVR2 Games
Can we please get games that are actually new, and not just remasters/remakes and stuff we already know about or have seen plenty of.
Re: Poll: Are You Playing The Last of Us Part 2 Remastered?
Nope. Trading in the PS4 version for Ghost of Tsushima is best deal I have ever had.
Re: The Last of Us Part 2 Remastered (PS5) - A Near Perfect Package for New and Returning Fans
The story was terrible, but No Return sounds like it would be fun so it is sort of tempting to get it for that.
Re: Grounded II Documentary Will Spill the Beans on The Making of The Last of Us 2
Wonder if they'll cover the making of the most awkward sex scene in history.
Re: Retro Survival Horror Alisa: Developer's Cut Corners a PS5, PS4 Release Date
Reminds me of Murder House, and that was great.
Re: Gravity Rush's Movie Adaptation Makes a Surprise Cameo at CES 2024
I won't believe it's coming out until it's out, but this is a really cool surprise.
Re: Hogwarts Legacy Conjures a Staggering 22 Million Sales
Removed
Re: Konami PS5 Remakes Silent Hill 2 and Snake Eater Scheduled for 2024, Says Sony
I'm way more interested in Silent Hill f, because that's a brand new game.
Re: Surprise! PS5 Exclusive Stellar Blade Has Been Delayed to 2024
I'm shocked it's not coming in the next 2 days.
Re: Activision Blizzard CEO Bobby Kotick Is Stepping Down on 29th December, 2023
He will not be missed, but I'm not sure how much this will realistically change.
Re: Harry Potter Spin-Off Hogwarts Legacy Has a Shot at Dethroning Call of Duty's Dominance
Almost as if the boycott campaign failed miserably and quite possibly had the opposite effect.