Whately86

@LogicStrikesAgain

If you can pay and think a pro is worth it, good for you. Be happy because you think it's worth the $700 fora top tier premium product that doesn't even come with a STAND, which the OG came with. Doesn't even come with a DRIVE, which the OG came with... Just keep supporting Sony all the way, no matter what (at least, from the points your try to making other comments, it's what it comes across as).

I think it's just ridiculous the price gauges, $700 for a pro without a stand or disc drive, most games this gen being cross gen, lack of Sony exclusives, lack of even news of what's being cooked by Sony's private dev's (oh, sorry, we got Concord's brother coming, thanks Sony).

Me, personally, feel like I'm being made a fool of. I have never spent so much money on a videogame (got a 2 tb ssd, controler charger and extra controler - which they still use the plastic crap part for the analog when we've had hall effect for years, just so they can milk us. Even their PRO CONTROLER doesn't have hall effect, but rather they sell their crappy plastic parts so stupid people can just keep spending - )

I'll still play, because I have this console, I've had the Ps4 and, for now, will keep making use of it. But in absolutely NO WAY am I satisfied with Sony, at ALL.

But please, be my guest and keep cheering and celebrating this crap generation and these stupid greedy choices Sony makes.

It's so funny to see people that have financial access and are not affected at all by the changes, like prices.

Not everyone lives the same reality. But it seems that a lot of people that will not have a problem getting a pro (or paying more for plus, or paying 70 or even 100 on games etc), think that no one has the right to complain or differ in opinion.

And Sony has been clearly crappy this gen. The discless pro (oh, what's the problem, I'm all digital anyways. Or, I'll just buy a drive), they just made the slim the base version and you can swap the covers with the pro? What? They changed where the hooks go so they don't fit? Dualsense got more expensive.

This mentality of not caring if it doesn't affect you is just crazy to me. If the numbers of people that get access to these products keeps shrinking, the prices will increase even more. One day, it'll be YOU moaning. Or, the industry won't be profitable enough. But yeah, poor people moaning.

I'm you tomorrow.

You can use anything to try to justify this. But alongside the newest plates also won't be available for the OG version (I can understand that, since the model is discontinued), PRO $700 without disc OR stand (this is ridiculous), the new main version also isn't compatible with the pro? This is such a cash grab move. You could def have made them all compatible. To have to own different set of plates for each system is absurd. The slim doesn't come with a stand, ps plus price going up all the time...

I have a weird feeling sony's endgame is having all of us on PC. I'll probably get a PS6 sometime down the line, but I'll most probably make the shift to PC next gen.

@LazyLombax What made the game stand out for you? Could you share a couple things that you liked?

@mariomaster96 He wanted attention, likes and shares. He got a mention on an article, he's winning (in a sense). People flame up their opinions to stand out and seems bold.

I bet they'll have a Miles Morales style game, perhaps a bit after Wolverine and might even have a link (since they're all Marvel). It's a longshot, but wanna bet this same guy will say they're so cool and amazing etc?

@Bionic-Spencer Do you lose your Plat when dlc is launched? Honest question, not a trophy hunter myself.

@MrGawain

I think you make an interesting point, but in my perspective it all comes down to the story. You can take the character to other cities / worlds. The sky is the limit. But it all really depends on how creative the devs allow themselves to be.

Maybe it's because I'm from the audiovisual "world", but I'm just a believe that creative stories are the prime point. A decent gameplay is mandatory in order to not work against the overall experience and break the vibe. But if the story is good, creative and you get hooked, then the environment becomes secondary (to me, obviously).

@naruball I think the stories had more low moments than the first, but overall we got a bigger game with new mechanics, another playable character with his own set of moves and storyline.

Not a perfect game, but a very good one. Looking for a cheap disc version to have in my permanent library.

I Just think Kraven should've been venom. Would've made much more sense & Harry / the suit could be other playable characters in other games.

The suit could have been corrupted by Kraven and become Venom.

I think we tend to over expect most of the times. First game was great, and I think no one really expected to be so blown away. I personally loved the story, they could just script and film.

So the second one we get a 2nd playable Spider man, bigger map, new mechanics, new skills etc.

We don't need a game that just flips the world upside down every single time, innovating everything. The game is super solid.

@DualWielding Came here just to say exactly that. It's ridiculous.

Starting to lose my respect for this page. They are charging a pro model 700 bucks, without a stand and without a drive and they're being flexible? That's a joke.

We want a drive, that's why they are selling out. If we didn't, they wouldn't sell, would they? They are ripping us off, when we don't want a 100% digital future.

They are super flexible as well because they are offering us a variety of Live Service games, huh? Like Concord.

Been waiting for a while to try this version. Way too expensive to buy brand new, not enough discount so far either.

Regarding the LOU2 discussion above - I consider their direction incredibly brave. It'd have been so much easier and safer to make the game we all thought would come, with Joel and ellie once again. The story shook us all. Traumatized us all. And sent us on a killing spree in the first half of the game. No one cared about killing a dog. And then we find out their names, then we play with them. That's the whole angle, the other perspective you don't want to acknowledge from the safety of your comfort zone. I like Abby as a character, but I'm Team Ellie ALL the WAY.

@AdamNovice Thanks, was actually wondering if we'd get a glimpse of Jin in this new one. Pretty safe to say we won't, then...

Still extremely excited for this....

@freddquadros Came here to say EXACTLY that. If this helps us get DG2, I'm in. Seriously will begin keeping an eye out for physycail PS4 editions (or buy digital if super super cheap), hoping it'll get me a discount when this new verison comes out (got LoU2 for 49 reais, digital. Paid another 50 reais for the LoU2 PS5 version)

@nedbvai Oh, so I don't have the right to complain about price? What kind of mentality is that? If you spend your money as if your dad gave it to you as allowance, great. Be my guest. But don't act like every consumer should be entitled like that. I like videogames, I have played for over 3 decades. And if I work and I'm spending my money, I believe I have the right to voice my opinion.

And I was thinking about buying one. But 700 bucks to (basically, at this point) play old games better, without drive and stand is just ridiculous.

Please go ahead and spend your money blindly and silent. I'll keep on doing my thing as well. Thanks

Can we agree to leave the phrase "live service done right" alone? 2nd article in a week in these lines.

There is a very clear difference between

• games that get any extra content after release, at no extra charge. The game was not developed to be rentable and make the gross money during it's long online life. It was designed to be sold for a fixed price. You to play a certain experience and that experience might be improved upon. Could be considered LIve Service? Not GaaS. We like that, we support that, we want that. Astrobot. No Mans Sky etc
• games that are designed to be played online where the gross revenue is based on constant money being spent by players on new cosmetics, content, and engagement. Live Service, Gaas. And we don't really like that. Fortnite is a money cow but it's not the rule in the game. Concord shows that. Overwatch itself isn't what it used to be. So many titles launching and either dying or living off weird numbers. We don't really want that. The ones we want we already have. Unless you're coming up with something special and unique that will make the GasS justifiable or blend in and be nearly unseen, we don't want it.

@Gamer83 Thanks, my thoughts exactly. I am curious about numbers in each market, but that does not take anything away from the clear record breaking / making hit Wukong is.

@madmaxrules If it's taking on the same model of the slim, then we should be able to use the detachable drive for ps5 slim on the pro.

@freddquadros Yesterday, some people were putting Wukong down saying their numbers were high only because it's a Chinese game, Chinese setting. Which to me is a very Eurocentric thing to do against a product in China and focused on Chinese culture (unrelated, but ironic how Chinese players get over tested, although they get much less percentage of cheating athletes, while USA gets tested way less and has a much higher percentage of cheating players - some which still get to compete). Even if the majority of the players are in China, the numbers are still record breaking, and no other game had similar numbers in all other regions combined ever in history, so to me it's a kind of discrimination.

Today they use Wukong as an example that backs their views because it's an undeniable, world wide, record breaking success. Some people even say Wukongs success shows people don't want politics nonsense in games and that is why Concord is failing (but I truly don't understand where the politics resides in Concord). The biggest irony is how political the comment actually seems to be.

@naruball Understandable you wouldn't waste your time reading about a game you're not interested in.

Obviously there are people that are different from you, go figure.

@naruball I think a lot of people don't understand that you can still be influenced and fueled by far right arguments, even if you don't consider yourself far right. That's how they pass the feeling of being the voice of the majority, in my opinion.

I don't think things should be manipulated artificially to sell more, but I am all for inclusion and truly understand how important it is to have a varied set of characters, background, story. But unfortunately there a right way of doing this and there's the capitalist way of monetizing everything. Just like companies go rainbow for pride month, but they don't really care about it.

@Ravix To be fair, I read quite a few comments on other articles that tried to undersell this games achievements by saying things like "these numbers are only in China", "this is an ok game that is selling well because its a Chinese setting, story and characters and Chinese are very nationalists". As if the game is only doing well because Chinese buy their own products. When no, the game is selling super well because it's actually quite good. Obviously the market in China helps, a lot, but it's also selling well in other places. And the game is great, which also helps a lot in sales.

Similar opinions could also be read in reviews in other sites.

@QiaraIris Exactly. I'm having quite an issue with these arguments that try to take away from an amazing accomplishment.

When Wukong broke the record with 2 million players, someone tried to put t down saying that was mainly in China. As if the fact that no other game had these numbers with all other territories combined, ever in history, isn't as huge as it should be.

Game is super cool. I suck at souls games as well. Having a hard time finalizing (what seems to be) final boss in Jedi Survivor (not souls, but soulslike), but had so much fun eating each boss so far in Wukong.

AND, last but not least, wasn't this a company that made mobile games? To release something of this magnitude is impressive to say the very least.

@Fiendish-Beaver No that you asked me, but if your PC is high end, I'd stick with PC version. You can use your dual sense anyway right? You'll probably get better framerate and resolution

@NEStalgia So it can't be counted as the largest single player release ever because it's from China? We need an american or english spoken title to be the greatest ever?

Game is good to play, looks amazing an 2.2 million players worldwide. Doesn't matter if most are in China it is still the biggest ever.

@somnambulance

My friend pre ordered it. Just got to the main title, and things are looking pretty good so far. Not much to judge yet, but if it was anything near CP2077, I think it'd show.

Seems we're safe.

@somnambulance I bought the game on PS4, pre ordered. Managed to finish the game and get a refund. Now I own a physical copy I snatched for super cheap with al the contents.

I hope Wukong is a good game, really planning on getting this one soon. I never preorder anymore.

@somnambulance I was thinking the same exact thing. Although thePC version of CB 2077 wasn't full on broken, but it was also messy.

Seems cool but doesn't justify wasting cash over any other game I'm aiming to play

I think being a copy of Overwatch doesn't help much. They present the characters as if they're doing missions they're being hired for & that you'll explore many different worlds.

I don't get that feeling when you're playing over and over modes like "king of the hill" or "team death match". How are you being hired for a mission if you're supposed to take over certain areas of the map.

Maybe I'd be more interested if this was actually a mission based game (more like Helldivers 2) where you team up with friends and pick your characters for each mission. Makes more sense to have "explorable worlds". Each season could bring a new world with new missions. And you could have certain missions that other players/teams can also accept and try to kill your crew and get the goods.

I get turned off when the "story" talks about freedom, exploration etc, but in the end nothing of that is part of the game, it's just a PvP where you replay the 6 possible scenarios over and over

If it was on the box and then removed without any explanation from Sony, yes. It's false advertising.

@Jett I don't care much about RT. But the fact we can't get all games to run on 60FPS, that does bother me. My TV is 1080, so I settle for 1080 / 60 fps. But when not all games on the "new" (current) gen hit that mark, it's very, very unsatisfying.

@Terra_Custodes Exactly. And now we're supposed to blindly embrace PS5 pro so we can actually get 60fps? Or ray tracing? RT was one of the main basic features of "new generation".

I have a base PS5, extra controller, charging base and 2 tb ssd. Wonder what kind of pc I'd have been able to build with this kind of cash. At least I'll know exactly what I'm getting.

Don't get me wrong, I'm 36 and always loved consoles. Played on pc but almost always on console. And now I'm like, why? They lie to us when they don't even need to. I would've bought PS5, everyone would. No one really actually bought exclusively for RT. I'll still play, just don't make me feel Im getting something I'm not.

@freddquadros Hey fellow BR! Where you from? Base game prices at R$350, more or less, forces us to be very wise with our options. I'll wait to get this on physical edition so I can lend to my friends and then trade or sell. I played Jedi Survivor and Spider man 2 and sold the both for the same price I bought (already got them used). If you're in Rio, we could expand the swap pool.

I don't know id you're the other dude from BR I found here and added (my memory is ***** these days). If you're not, feel free to add me. My name here is my PSN account as well.

Tamo junto!

If Super Earth didn't give the direct command to eliminate the players, then isn't it just pure treason to kill fellow Helldivers? You're in the field to obey democracy. This isn't anarchy.

Ironic

I'm tired of feeling like I've been played. If devs can't get 60fps, why is Sony marketing it's machine with 120fps on the box? I don't mind playing in 1080p (don't have 4K TV). But the fact that even my old ass tv has 60 fps frame rate and the PS5 has been heavily marketed on being next gen machine with 4K and 60 FPS (plus everything getting so much more expensive) makes me quite frustrated with where we are at, to be honest.

@NEStalgia
" looking forward to rebuying their console at an upcharge to get a fraction of the performance they were told the original should provide."

EXACTLY why I'm considering (after nearly 36 years as a console player) dropping consoles for PC next gen.

@Dudditz09 I have been considering dropping consoles for next gen. $500 for base PS5, $200 on a 2 TB SSD +$70 on an extra dual sense makes me think if I shouldn't aim for PC next gen.

I'm pretty tired of being fed lies (like PS4 with 4K, PS5 with ray tracing, 60-120 FPS & 4K) and when it comes down to it, it never lives up to what they are being sold as. Think it's best to invest in hardware I can be 100% sure how it will perform and what I can get out of it. Plus, you can upgrade piece by piece instead of having to directly invest a huge amount like with a console.

I've come to accept digital media. But not to the point I'd turn away from disc based media. Some games I want to own. Some I want to trade. Some I want to buy second hand. This gives us more freedom.

Going all digital means they have the power to shift things around as they please. Hard pass.

@colonelkilgore To me it's unbelievable they'd just scrap a new IP like that. Imagine DG2 with huge hoards at 60 fps 4k. Far from a perfect game, but it brought some new stuff to the table. I really enjoyed my time.

@AlexPorto Saudações! I literally just logged in to say hi! Whately86 in PSN. Where are you from? Got my OG PS5 this year, got friends going every now and then. Who knows, maybe I can help you upgrade to pro when time comes.

@Maddie47 Why should people keep thwir opinions to themselves, specially in a comment section... Made exactly for people to share their opinions, as you just did?

I was going to wait for the inevitable GOTY edition, but ended up buying a used version ( thank God for physical editions). I have to say, I had a quite a lotta bugs. Lighting bugs, being stuck where I shouldn't enter twice. Game fully stopped and my PS5 restarted once. Texture glitching.

Game is really great to play, although very similar to previous ganes. Enjoying story so far. Apart from the bugs (all resolved with restart) I'm really liking the game abd night even go for plat

@DennisReynolds Perhaps I'll wait till then. Maybe I'll try out FF 16 before.

@Martijn87 it's kind of crazy how people tend to forget experience might vary from person to person.

Last Zelda I really played was Wind Waker. They just have a particular vibe used to carry me away. Miss those days. Used to be Nintendo all the way and now I own a PS4 & PS5. Never thought I'd part from Nintendo back in the day but Wii just lost me completely. Loved GameCube though.

@DennisReynolds I'm honestly thinking about waiting for the inevitable "GOTY" edition with DLC. On the top of your mind, when would you guess this version should release?

I'm going to wait to play this one as I'm currently super in debt for the next few months. But I'm definitely playing at some point.

It's weird some things people complain about. The feeling I get is that anything that represents life outside their norm bubble is too much in their face.

@Nepp67 What would be "shoving down people's throats"?