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@glennthefrog I fully agree because the graphical output is at a really good level, we don't need every big game to push that further and further. I'd like to see what everyone thought would happen this gen which was that systems and CPU utilisation would improve.

I hear the need for shiny shiny graphics but really and truly last gen games look amazing still, we don't need it.

Astro being the mascot for PS5 and potentially beyond doesn't fill me with the most confidence tbh. Great for the promotion of Asobi games and Astro bot stuff but how many PS mascots actually last that long. Like Sackboy is effectively dead and many other game series mascots before it.

And no I am not saying that those game series die because they are mascots but just interesting.

@glennthefrog see now if that happens then I think Sony are completely justified in trying to make more live service titles. It's the same thing with those smaller games and Tokyo Studio, if no one is actually buying them and sales are declining, why keep pouring millions into them.

@ShogunRok that is very true, gonna have to start remembering this everytime I scroll to the comments because it confuses me each and every time

@Atreus97 reading some of these comments you'd think it was the worst superhero game ever made lmao.

@TheIronChimp @sanderson72 that is another thing, I remember how different PS4 Tearaway was compared to Vita with no rear touchpad. Personally I think it would take too much fiddling around with, again proving it's probably not worth it.

Everything that was worth playing on console from Vita has already been ported over in my opinion anyway.

One thing that people have to accept is that PC releases since the modern era have and will always be superior to console releases. Expect for bad ports of course. It's just what happens when their CPUs and GPUs are constantly evolving. Stupid argument that that's the reason to go to PC. It will always be the reason to go to PC. It's nothing new.

Go spend 1k on a new rig if that's what you want

@nessisonett that's telegram

I didn't realise how much they lost on PS3. No wonder PS4 was such a change and they effectively ditched the PS3

@Enigk I think it is too soon for that. I hope it's like a surprise pull from the hat when they announce it but more probable to happening for future generations

@TheIronChimp Vita emulation would be nice but it's only a few first party games worth doing it for and the smaller/indie games have all been either ported to mobile, Switch or released on other platforms including PS3 and PS4.

Don't know if they think it's worth doing

@get2sammyb 2030 we will be there 😎🫡

Well if anything this shows us the route they’ll go for PS3 emulation when someone and their team get it running smoothly and consistently

There is so much that can be done quickly with AI. Anyone who has to write reports or do data analysis and things like that know how much help ChatGPT or other tools are. But they should not be replacements for creativity. Only for mundane tasks IMO

@FreasurePlanten yeah that's very true too. I remember there also being some discourse way back about the Left Behind DLC from ppl that thought it was ruined because Ellie kissed a girl. So I guess some of the vocal TLOU fans really don't vibe with inclusion

@IamJT I forget but you're so damn right. ND suffered so much with those leaks. The whole game was leaked months before the release and had people getting mad with no context. Sad really

@Jacko11 I think it's because of the cancelled Factions game but honestly always baffling to see the hate they get here and on Twitter.

One of the most consistent and quality studio out there. Also the hate for Druckmann is weird as well, as far as I can tell it's just because he killed Joel off

Never in doubt tbh. Still don't understand the hate with TLOU Part 2, story aside, one of the best games ever made. Every game they have made just blows the previous one out of the water.

Love this game but some real weirdos on here from day 1. Not surprised it's mostly from PC players

Ehhh, it's something at least. No matter what they do Assassin's Creed will always sell. Though, I'm hoping we can see some trilogy focusing on one Assassin again, like Ezio. I don't like these pump and dump stories.

It's Returnal VR

@sikthvash Federer also looks like he's about to bludgeon Serena with a nasty backhand

@Jacko11 story wise? Or gameplay wise. Because the story was fine. Everything else was not

@Jacko11 playing Mafia 2 and then Mafia 3 was a huge fall off. It was a half baked game for the longest and didn't live up to that Mafia gameplay. Don't get me wrong, the story is alright but the world and systems and so on that Mafia is known for was just removed and yeah disappointing to say the least.

I do not like their Mafia games

@Jacko11 @Golem25 unfortunately, Hangar 13 are big enough to work on Mafia 4 as well.

I was happy to see they're on annual sports game pump and dump duty but it seems Mafia 4 is still in development by them

Helldivers 2. I hadn't played in a while, hopped back on and was pleasantly surprised I still loved it. Not many other games have done that apart from the Spider-Men, inFamous, Ghosts of Tsushima and any of Rockstar games

@Loamy dude the moderation in this site can be overkill sometimes

@Flaming_Kaiser and people should also stop seeing him as an inventor who puts things into people's heads 😂

@colonelkilgore road maps don't exist this gen. We will see like 1 or 2 new games, as is the norm. Maybe a couple CGI announcements. Don't get hopes up

@Flaming_Kaiser his marketing is far too successful for more people to see through him

@Loamy you right, you right 🤷‍♂️

@Matroska https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxdiA8QMY18&t=2985s&ab_channel=DigitalFoundry

I attach this video, timestamp: 52:55. Am I trippin? Yes, they don't explicitly say it is not supported, obviously it is as it is open source. However, they repeatedly say it falls short of the specs needed to run it and wouldn't work to a degree where its worth having on consoles.

@Rob3008 I see a lot of people base everything they do off of what DF say. They are highly analytical performance people just guessing, discussing and estimating things and it gets to me when people start spouting, "I did this because DF said this". I like their work and they say some things as fact and it is wrong sometimes, no actual hate towards them.

The same Digital Foundry that said weeks ago that pro consoles won't be able to support frame generation, let alone the base?? And people STILL take their word for gospel lol

@rjejr the acid and paint they must be huffing to come up with this stuff must be plentiful 🤣

@rjejr new lore unlocked. Semen Surfer must have fused with Galactus to form Galacta. All makes sense now 😂

That is actually much better than the actual creation of Galacta which I think is just Galactus popping out a child and being like, "yeah, cool."

@StonyKL it is most definitely the games you play on it. See how many controllers people that play Fifa, NBA 2k, COD go through. It's insane.

I bought 3 controllers when I got my PS5 and have experienced stick drift only on the one that came with the PS5. The other ones, especially the black one still going strong.

I think people need to understand that everything Elon Musk owns is not necessarily solely his. He has large funding and can scream and shout for his companies to do some things and test on animals and some sketchy stuff but Neuralink, Starlink, SpaceX, Tesla all these companies successes and achievements are down to the people in those companies, not Elon. He's just a face, a rich, good businessman.

@rjejr a real head scratcher that one lol

Apparently it is Galactus' daughter, Galacta, who was introduced from a short lived sereis. I don't know why they put her there it's just so funny to me how out of place it is

@Randzilla the amount of times this has to be repeated when Spider-Man shows up in a game not developed or published by a Sony business is criminal lmao

Why is Galactus an anime girl ???

This is funny, I remember how much it lagged on my PS3 and I was so excited to play it on my PS4 only to get slightly less lag. Wonder how good it lags this time around

I'm not a fan of these graphics but the animation, presentation and gameplay looks real good and fluid too

@mrbone I would think that's the reason. Try doing a speed check in the Network Settings and see what comes up

@mrbone that doesn't come up for me. I haven't seen that since the 2nd or 3rd week of it's release

I only just realised I have Paramount+ as a Amazon Prime Channel and have been paying for it for months !

@Titntin I love beef. @ them! Say it with your chest!!

@RicksReflection well said. I think that with DF being a specs enthusiast page and obviously only focusing on things that very very few would when it comes to gaming may have skewed the perception for many people for consoles. With the PS5 Pro, I get wanting a CPU upgrade but it is a PS5. Why would you upgrade the CPU to a point that makes the base basically a last gen console. Plus, with PSSR and the GPU upgrades alone, like has already been said, it should be powering through so much. Like do people understand the benefits that essentially DLSS 1 or a lesser version of 2 bring to a console space. Because of course PSSR being a new technology and not having frame generation won't be near DLSS 3. And not FSR 1 or 2 where ghosting and artifacting is so bad.

I do have thoughts regarding PSSR on PS4 games, I think it is only possible on the ones running on PS5s new SDK so just the ones that have been updated to use PS5s architecture, mainly first party games.

I feel like the price will be around that 500-550 mark. I think they knew PS5 couldn't launch at 600, it was a nice £530, I feel like maybe a small bump will happen with the Pro.

With all this, I can't see what there is to complain about to be real. The benefits are amazing and shows Sony are smartly developing tech to use for the future. PS6 is going to be a smart console, PSSR can be used for handheld devices too so I wouldn't be surprised to see in the future a bulky PS Portal 2, with PS4 or PS5 or even PS6 compatibility, even better remote play and local play as well. Am I getting ahead of myself lol

@GravyThief DLSS was not possible 10 years ago, let alone even in 2018. It's only possible due to the HUGE year by year advancements in machine learning. GPUs can do so many calculations per second which allows for ML in conjunction with other silicon that are dedicated to solely do this as well. GPU TFLOP numbers have gotten so high in recent years, allowing ML capabilities to be very very sexy.

Being a huge nerd, I have followed the progress of some ML technologies and to oversimplify it, what was initially possible, was filling in certain parts of images which took a long time, it transitioned to filling in parts of videos and then you get to real-time videos, such as games. Then whilst all this is happening, you implement reconstruction methods that can maintain sharpness, colour quality and consistency and most importantly, the cost on the GPU to be as small as possible. For DLSS today, it is only like a 0.5ms cost on the GPU, in other words, it adds to latency by 0.5ms. PSSR are aiming for 2ms which will improve over time. It is done by using incredibly complex algorithms and it is essentially magic. We can use that technology to generatively fill in parts of images and some videos right now using AI to essentially guess what is supposed to be there, but these ML technologies like DLSS, FSR, PSSR (not sure how it accomplishes it) use what we already have but with a low quality to upscale to something like 4k. I hope that helps you to understand why it couldn't be possible 10 years ago.

@MrMagic dude you get it. With so few (and might I say very badly optimised games) being CPU bound, reducing the resolution to 1080p and using PSSR will do a world of good. For the many games that aren't CPU bound, my goodness, the performance uplift should be really promising, especially for what they can do with PS6.

I disagree with the need to make the console have a much stronger CPU, because we get a situation like Series S for the base PS5, which is still plenty strong. The PS5 & Series X did not release with weak specs like the PS5 & XbOne, no need for overkill. This is a console for spec nerds and people with high end 4k TVs that want more.

@Zeke68 🫂