Jesus, ALL Warren said is that the pro might be readily available for Christmas, and people who don't work for Sony or anything are immediately angry for no real reason. Fanboys are so weird.
If you don't mind that female gamers frequently have had to play as male protagonists, but think it's wrong that you have to occasionally play as a fully dressed female (because no one ever seems to whine when the female is wearing little clothing), then YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.
@Vaako007 it's silly. Sony is so money hungry, yet won't sell something most of the owners of their console would likely buy to the largest segment of those people.
This was just, not what people want from Sony. People have been pushing back against their new focus on live service games since it was announced. Honestly, if Concord had been announced and released outside of that, and been free-to-play, it probably would have done better. Not necessarily a hit, but more than the disaster it is now. There was a tone deafness to this whole thing, and hopefully Sony learned something here.
I play games for fun and to relax, so while I loved Elden Ring, all the other Soulslikes (and they seem to announce one every day) aren't for me. If you like them, that's great, but I'll be happy when this fad dies down.
I'm very concerned that Insomniac, one of the best studios in existence, is being turned into a Marvel game factory. This is a waste of their considerable talents imo.
@Kierant202 I thought it was just me lol. Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart and Horizon Forbidden West in particular are fine games that Sony went out of their way to make as safe as possible, and my God the river of remakes....!
Ok everyone, I know some of us have a console warrior mindset, and you might be like "yaay we win!!" But...we do not win. This is in fact, pretty terrible news if it's true. Sony has been great overall, I would argue that their run may be better than even Nintendo's. But one problem they have had over the years is this: whenever they feel like they're running unopposed, they become absolute JERKS. with Microsoft officially out of the way, you can get ready for PS6 at $600-$650 MINIMUM, another game price hike, DRM left and right (yep same thing they made fun of Microsoft for, they would ABSOLUTELY do if they could). Basically with no competition, Sony will feel like they can do whatever they want. Microsoft was never really great competition for Sony, but they are rich enough and pesky enough that Sony has had to at least pretend to give a crap about their customers. No matter how big of a Sony fan you are, you should probably pray that Microsoft sticks around.
...so they made it smaller (which benefits Sony),
Kept the price the same (which benefits Sony),
Are selling the vertical stand separately (which benefits Sony),
And have designed it in such a way where they'll be able to sell smaller cover plates for probably the same price (which benefits Sony)?
Um....all I've been hearing since Elden Ring released was that the only game that might compete with it would be God of War. Also, the last game was really great. I'm not buying the feigned shock lol
@Apfelschteiner by the time the console actually MAKES money, the company is mostly recouping the money they lost in the beginning. it is NOT a golden goose. why do you think every company in gaming is trying to get into streaming? if they had their way, they would just sell games. the consoles are necessary for now, yes, but money makers? no, not really. Nintendo goes out of their way to make their consoles as cheap as possible, while almost keeping their first party games at full price for YEARS. why? exactly. the same reason why if you buy a new razor, it's usually less money than a pack of the replacement blades. that's where the money is. we're off track anyway. my POINT is that keeping games tied to one console forever is a dumb, antiquated idea that is partially responsible for game prices increasing, and permanent exclusivity should end. it serves virtually no purpose besides making a small group of fanboys happy lol
i'm all for it. this is literally the ONLY medium where this exclusivity exists, and it doesn't benefit the gamers or the company MAKING the game. you don't think Sony would secretly LOVE to sell Spider-Man games to absolutely everyone? remember they don't really make money off selling consoles; they sell console so they can sell games. i think the future will be this: games will still launch exclusively for whatever platform holder owns the IP, but after a year or so, MOST games will make their way to the larger audience. it would equal more sales, and MAYBE even slow down price increases. as hard as companies try to nickel and dime us, this would be preferable to loot boxes any day.
@BAMozzy that's my plan. i only have an Xbox Series X at the moment (haven't been able to get my hands on a ps5 yet), but is Sony's Game Pass is comprehensive, i may just use that and stream their games.
@SJBUK again, under normal circumstances, I would agree completely, but it just felt like Somy should have been more considerate in knowing how many people don't have the ps5 yet. Upgrade charges make sense normally, but at least for 2022, they should work harder to give loyal customers a break here.
Under normal circumstances, I would have no issue with charging more to upgrade. If people could simply go to Gamestop, take a ps5 off the shelf and buy it, there would be no problem. These aren't normal circumstances, though. A LOT of gamers may be stranded on ps4, maybe through 2022 even. It's not anyone's fault (except for the scalpers, who can die in a fire), so why punish gamers who want to buy your games but simply haven't been able to get their hands on a new system?
@Tchunga what the developers want ...is money. all i'm saying is that there are tons of companies who try to make a soulslike, and they usually don't sell very well. someone is going to say, "well let's have different difficulty levels", and their game probably will do well.
@SailorNemesis that's all i'm saying. i don't really have 100 hours to play anything anymore. i'm still playing dragon quest 11 because i have an hour here and there. i'm about halfway through Sekiro for the same reason. i don't even think the moment-to-moment gameplay needs to be easier. Just a mode where there are more bonfires would be fine lol
@Crimson_Ridley and that option should be there for people who like playing that way. most other games let people who just want to enjoy the lore or the story do so. i do think Soulsbornes games should be hard, i like them even if i don't finish them, they're very compelling. but someone (mark my words) will make one, simply OFFER THE OPTION of lower difficulty or more frequent bonfires, and make a ton of money. Jedi Fallen Order was a step in that direction, actually.
@Nepp67 "git gud" amirite? listen, as i said, i enjoy these games. that isn't my point. my point is that the company that makes a game like this that also offers an easier mode will find a very large audience of interested customers. i know almos as many people who are curious but won't try them (or in many cases, don't have the time to play the same levels 10 times each) as i do people willing to grind the games down bit by bit. some developer will realize that BOTH audiences can be served.
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Re: Bickering Begins Over PS5 Pro's Inability to Sell Out
Jesus, ALL Warren said is that the pro might be readily available for Christmas, and people who don't work for Sony or anything are immediately angry for no real reason. Fanboys are so weird.
Re: PS5's Ghost of Yotei Triggers Social Media, Ex-Sony Exec Says 'If You Don't Like It, Don't Buy It'
If you don't mind that female gamers frequently have had to play as male protagonists, but think it's wrong that you have to occasionally play as a fully dressed female (because no one ever seems to whine when the female is wearing little clothing), then YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.
Re: Ghost of Yotei Is the Ghost of Tsushima Sequel We Needed, Slashing to PS5 in 2025
@nessisonett there aren't any.
Re: Jaw-Dropping 30th Anniversary PS5 Pro Console and Accessories Will Bankrupt You
@Vaako007 it's silly. Sony is so money hungry, yet won't sell something most of the owners of their console would likely buy to the largest segment of those people.
Re: Jaw-Dropping 30th Anniversary PS5 Pro Console and Accessories Will Bankrupt You
As usual, if you have the original PS5, f&ck you lol
Re: Sony Priming 'Even Less Exciting' PS5 Remaster for State of Play
@Buckster The Last of Us, Part 1 Part 2 HD Remake Remaster Re-Mix
Re: Jaw-Dropping 30th Anniversary PS5 Pro Console and Accessories Will Bankrupt You
@Turismo4GT isn't it amazing how they treat early adopters?!
Re: Sony Priming 'Even Less Exciting' PS5 Remaster for State of Play
AstroBot Remastered, anyone?
Re: PS5 Promo Video Promises It's Time to Play
@AhmadSumadi .....you want them to put "You don't have to buy this" in their marketing campaign? 😆
Re: Horizon Zero Dawn's PS5, PC Remaster Is Very Much the Real Deal
@jrt87 I felt like Forbidden West was just too samey. Was hoping for an entirely new environment I guess, this felt like just...more.
Re: PS6 Is Already Deep in Development, Backwards Compatibility of High Importance
Announcing a $700-800 console one week, then start off the following week by discussing the one after that...yikes lol
Re: PS5 Fans Think Sony's Accidentally Leaked a Wireless PSVR2 Headset
$999.99, only works if the disk drive is detached, and you have to pay 25 cents every time you play it. It has a coin slot lol
Re: All PS5 Pro Compatible Games
......for 700+, EVERY SINGLE GAME needs to be improved 🤣
Re: PS5 Pro Announced, Costs $700 and Out in November
Add about another 100 for a disk drive and stand.....$800?! Yikes.
Oh wait, taxes......
Re: Ex-PlayStation Boss Reckons Axed Game Devs Should Just 'Drive an Uber'
@PsBoxSwitchOwner they reported what he literally said. His actual words.
Re: PS5, PC Shooter Concord Dead on Arrival, Is Being Taken Offline This Week as Dev 'Explores Options'
This was just, not what people want from Sony. People have been pushing back against their new focus on live service games since it was announced. Honestly, if Concord had been announced and released outside of that, and been free-to-play, it probably would have done better. Not necessarily a hit, but more than the disaster it is now. There was a tone deafness to this whole thing, and hopefully Sony learned something here.
Re: Just Like Black Myth: Wukong, PS5 Action RPG Enotria Is Delayed Indefinitely on Xbox
You don't have to be a d!ck.
Re: Poll: What's Your Favourite Harry Potter Game?
Hogwarts Legacy for sure. I'm not even a fan of Potter, but that game is FANTASTIC.
Re: Rumour: PS5 Pro Still Planned to Release in 2024, State of Play Coming in September
@sop their job here is to demonstrate why ANYONE needs one lol.
Re: God of War Dev's New PlayStation IP Sounds Like It's Taking Shape
Coming soon: Deity of Conflict.
Re: Astro Bot's PS5 File Size Is About Six Times Bigger Than Astro's Playroom
So......
....a bigger game takes up more hard drive space?
Thanks for the heads up.
Re: Poll: Can a Game's Brutal Difficultly Put You Off Playing It?
I play games for fun and to relax, so while I loved Elden Ring, all the other Soulslikes (and they seem to announce one every day) aren't for me. If you like them, that's great, but I'll be happy when this fad dies down.
Re: Yet More Leaked Wolverine PS5 Gameplay Has Appeared Online
I'm very concerned that Insomniac, one of the best studios in existence, is being turned into a Marvel game factory. This is a waste of their considerable talents imo.
Re: Reaction: You Said You Were Sick of PS5's Sad Dad Sims, So You Better Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is
Yea, I don't understand why people think this game should be less expensive than other games, unless they think it will be as short as Playroom?
Re: LEGO Horizon Adventures Is Official, Out on PS5, PC, and Nintendo Switch
@AdamNovice those questions are going to come from Nintendo shareholders...
Re: PlayStation Studios: All Sony First-Party Developers and What They're Working On
Remake Mark of Kri you cowards lol
Re: Xbox Planning to Release the 'Majority' of Its Exclusives on PS5
@Kierant202 I thought it was just me lol. Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart and Horizon Forbidden West in particular are fine games that Sony went out of their way to make as safe as possible, and my God the river of remakes....!
Re: Xbox Planning to Release the 'Majority' of Its Exclusives on PS5
Ok everyone, I know some of us have a console warrior mindset, and you might be like "yaay we win!!" But...we do not win. This is in fact, pretty terrible news if it's true.
Sony has been great overall, I would argue that their run may be better than even Nintendo's. But one problem they have had over the years is this: whenever they feel like they're running unopposed, they become absolute JERKS. with Microsoft officially out of the way, you can get ready for PS6 at $600-$650 MINIMUM, another game price hike, DRM left and right (yep same thing they made fun of Microsoft for, they would ABSOLUTELY do if they could). Basically with no competition, Sony will feel like they can do whatever they want. Microsoft was never really great competition for Sony, but they are rich enough and pesky enough that Sony has had to at least pretend to give a crap about their customers. No matter how big of a Sony fan you are, you should probably pray that Microsoft sticks around.
Re: Kratos Voice Actor Underfire for Roasting New Call of Duty Campaign
We're about 6 months away from you literally not being able to joke around about anything ever. My goodness, he was KIDDING. Why is this a story??
Re: PS5 Slim Officially Unveiled, Attachable Disc Drive, Launches November
@Mikey856 the point is more money for Sony. This new one doesn't benefit the gamer in any way.
Re: PS5 Slim Officially Unveiled, Attachable Disc Drive, Launches November
...so they made it smaller (which benefits Sony),
Kept the price the same (which benefits Sony),
Are selling the vertical stand separately (which benefits Sony),
And have designed it in such a way where they'll be able to sell smaller cover plates for probably the same price (which benefits Sony)?
Great!
Re: Soapbox: God of War Ragnarok Is a Real Game of the Year Rival to Elden Ring
Um....all I've been hearing since Elden Ring released was that the only game that might compete with it would be God of War. Also, the last game was really great. I'm not buying the feigned shock lol
Re: Sony: Acquisition of Bungie Represents a Major Step Forward in Becoming More Multiplatform
@Apfelschteiner by the time the console actually MAKES money, the company is mostly recouping the money they lost in the beginning. it is NOT a golden goose. why do you think every company in gaming is trying to get into streaming? if they had their way, they would just sell games. the consoles are necessary for now, yes, but money makers? no, not really. Nintendo goes out of their way to make their consoles as cheap as possible, while almost keeping their first party games at full price for YEARS. why? exactly. the same reason why if you buy a new razor, it's usually less money than a pack of the replacement blades. that's where the money is. we're off track anyway. my POINT is that keeping games tied to one console forever is a dumb, antiquated idea that is partially responsible for game prices increasing, and permanent exclusivity should end. it serves virtually no purpose besides making a small group of fanboys happy lol
Re: Sony: Acquisition of Bungie Represents a Major Step Forward in Becoming More Multiplatform
i'm all for it. this is literally the ONLY medium where this exclusivity exists, and it doesn't benefit the gamers or the company MAKING the game. you don't think Sony would secretly LOVE to sell Spider-Man games to absolutely everyone? remember they don't really make money off selling consoles; they sell console so they can sell games. i think the future will be this: games will still launch exclusively for whatever platform holder owns the IP, but after a year or so, MOST games will make their way to the larger audience. it would equal more sales, and MAYBE even slow down price increases. as hard as companies try to nickel and dime us, this would be preferable to loot boxes any day.
Re: Sony Buys Ex-Halo, Destiny Developer Bungie for $3.6 Billion
Destiny 3 is going to have 47 hours of cutscenes lol
Re: Sony Buys Ex-Halo, Destiny Developer Bungie for $3.6 Billion
Killzone 4, anyone?
Re: Xbox Now Owns Legendary PlayStation Series Crash Bandicoot, Spyro the Dragon
@BAMozzy that's my plan. i only have an Xbox Series X at the moment (haven't been able to get my hands on a ps5 yet), but is Sony's Game Pass is comprehensive, i may just use that and stream their games.
Re: Xbox Now Owns Legendary PlayStation Series Crash Bandicoot, Spyro the Dragon
@BranJ0 When did Phil say that?
Re: Twisted Metal PS5 Reboot Studio Swapped Mid-Development
i just want it to be good. Twisted Metal Black is one of my favorite games ever, as is TM2...
Re: Rumour: New PlayStation Subscription Will Give Access to PS1, PS2, PS3, PSP Games
@Jireland92 yes. they waited to see if it was economically viable, then pretty much just copied it.
Re: Cancelled Batman Game Concept Art Shows Old, Bearded Batman Alongside Younger Hero
why....in the world....would Batman ever wear a beard? like, imagine James Harden trying to be Batman lol. it'd be a BIT of a giveaway...
Re: Round Up: What Was Announced During Sony's Latest State of Play Livestream?
Death's Door is INCREDIBLE. Highly recommended!
Re: Soapbox: I Don't Know How to Feel About This PS4-to-PS5 Upgrade Uproar
@SJBUK again, under normal circumstances, I would agree completely, but it just felt like Somy should have been more considerate in knowing how many people don't have the ps5 yet. Upgrade charges make sense normally, but at least for 2022, they should work harder to give loyal customers a break here.
Re: Soapbox: I Don't Know How to Feel About This PS4-to-PS5 Upgrade Uproar
Under normal circumstances, I would have no issue with charging more to upgrade. If people could simply go to Gamestop, take a ps5 off the shelf and buy it, there would be no problem. These aren't normal circumstances, though. A LOT of gamers may be stranded on ps4, maybe through 2022 even. It's not anyone's fault (except for the scalpers, who can die in a fire), so why punish gamers who want to buy your games but simply haven't been able to get their hands on a new system?
Re: Talking Point: How Would You Improve PS Plus?
Add more games from the back catalog to PS Now, and make them downloadable, I would say
Re: PS Plus Collection Games Can Be Played on PS4 via PS5 Workaround
they should simply have made this first batch of games free for playstation plus members. why does everything have to be complicated ? lol
Re: Demon's Souls PS5 Doesn't Have Sixth Archstone, No Difficulty Modes
@Tchunga what the developers want ...is money. all i'm saying is that there are tons of companies who try to make a soulslike, and they usually don't sell very well. someone is going to say, "well let's have different difficulty levels", and their game probably will do well.
Re: Demon's Souls PS5 Doesn't Have Sixth Archstone, No Difficulty Modes
@SailorNemesis that's all i'm saying. i don't really have 100 hours to play anything anymore. i'm still playing dragon quest 11 because i have an hour here and there. i'm about halfway through Sekiro for the same reason. i don't even think the moment-to-moment gameplay needs to be easier. Just a mode where there are more bonfires would be fine lol
Re: Demon's Souls PS5 Doesn't Have Sixth Archstone, No Difficulty Modes
@Crimson_Ridley and that option should be there for people who like playing that way. most other games let people who just want to enjoy the lore or the story do so. i do think Soulsbornes games should be hard, i like them even if i don't finish them, they're very compelling. but someone (mark my words) will make one, simply OFFER THE OPTION of lower difficulty or more frequent bonfires, and make a ton of money. Jedi Fallen Order was a step in that direction, actually.
Re: Demon's Souls PS5 Doesn't Have Sixth Archstone, No Difficulty Modes
@Nepp67 "git gud" amirite? listen, as i said, i enjoy these games. that isn't my point. my point is that the company that makes a game like this that also offers an easier mode will find a very large audience of interested customers. i know almos as many people who are curious but won't try them (or in many cases, don't have the time to play the same levels 10 times each) as i do people willing to grind the games down bit by bit. some developer will realize that BOTH audiences can be served.