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@Bettyswollocks
Two different views on what success is.
Square put a lot of money in their games and don't believe in lifetime sales. If they release a product and that product don't profit at launch then they consider it a flop.

Capcom on the other hand put the right amount of money to develop their games and they bet on lifetime sales. I remember reading somewhere that Capcom turns profit at around 1M copies.

I remember a lot of people disliking the trailer and I doubt they'll be able to convert those people if they didn't do a full 180.

This zoomer shooter is doomed.

I find it funny people going:
"MS promised all first party games would be D1 on GamePass, they can't and won't go back on that"

The same Microsoft that promised all games redeemed by the Games with Gold program would be yours forever to keep, only to backtrack later and say that's was only valid for 360 games.

Don't they have a lot of signed deals saying they won't bring CoD to GamePass and if they ever bring it they would have to do the same to other platforms as well?

Conversion rate never is 100%, anything above 50% is a win.
Also, PS4 still has support from a lot of devs and PS5 still hasn't received a killer app, things might change next year or in 2026.

@ChrisDeku
People who complain about that don't have a Nintendo either, they have that other platform that is sinking despite releasing new IPs every month or so.

All in all Sony IS delivering games and good games at that.

Original target was 25M then they cut down to 21M, right?
Selling 20.8M isn't bad if this is the case, it means you missed some opportunity that FY and not that your strategy was wrong.

@MrMagic
Source on that? Wanna check to see if it happens with other games too.

If true this is going to be funny.
Wonder if this game will also get hit by the Horizon curse.

Will double dip once it hits GoG.

Well yeah, and it won't grow more because there's nowhere to grow anymore.
Unless they start expanding to other countries those numbers won't budge.

@Kienda
If anything Arrowhead is also to blame, not only many of their community managers escalated the situation to this point, their own CEO admittedly knew about the mandatory PSN login 6 months before this whole fiasco.

Yeah, no turning back, this will now become a brand damage.

Remember how much money Sony bled during the PS3 years because of a brand damage? Expect the same thing to happen now.

I just hope the entire department who took this approach gets fired, they do not deserve to work ever again in this industry or any other.

@Shepherd_Tallon There are workarounds, but they violate Sony's own terms of service.

Anyways, the most infuriating thing about this whole scenario is the fact that it could be avoided if the project manager did his job for once and went "Yeah, lets not do that, PSN coverage is ~80 countries and Steam coverage is about ~250 countries, here are the data about our playerbase separated by regions and countries, doing this move will cost us money and may damage the brand"

If you're on the devopment side, its your job as the PM/Producer to stop the bad decisions the Product Owner might do by providing BOTH data and reasoning.

The only ones who can say if the game was a flop or or is Square.

People said the same thing about FFXVI, conveniently forgetting Square used Sony money to pay the development costs upfront, which also meant that every copy sold was pure profit once the game released.

And people say PS5 exclusives don't sell...
Anyways, good for KT.

Man, I hope the OST goes as hard as the first one did

If they went FF16 route where the cost was paid upfront instead of amortizing it then """underperforming""" basically means nothing since all revenue coming from it will be turned into profit.

How "small" are we talking about?
Scope, budget, campaign time?

Because the last couple of RE remakes and Sony's own Ratchet & Clank are "smaller" in scope and campaign time if compared to most AAA games but they aren't exactly small when it comes to budget.

Well, every outfit has a story whether we like or not.
Still, no matter what game or how eyecatching the skin is I'll use what I find cool.

Looks like Xbox will finally have to compete for the last place then.

I don't think this will affect Plus as much it will affect EGS and Game Pass.
Why? Well because Plus doesn't offer D1 as Game Pass and it rarely funds exclusive games as EGS does.

Eh, lets be honest, the only reason to upgrade to Pro is the notDLSS, which could be backported to base PS5 if done right.

That or Sony could ask AMD for a custom fork of FSR2/FSR3.

Its less about MTX and more about the way they implemented it.

Wanna change your character appearance? Well, you're outta luck because you can't delete your save nor can you delete your character. Cough up money or play for X hours until you get enough rift crystals to buy the item.

"DD2 director says he is against fast travel system"
Wanna fast travel? Cough up money or play for X hours until you get enough rift crystals to buy the fast travel item, one use only.

So yeah, people have a reason to be pissed.

I know some people are avoiding build Rebirth because of the following rationale:
Remake was a PS4 title, Rebirth was a PS5 title, next title will probably be a PS6 title by the time it comes out, might as well wait and grab all titles on PS6.

Game about pirates selling in regions that loves games about pirates is not really a smooth sailing, its within expectations.

People are probably waiting for Part 3 to drop, that or the game will pick up sales later.

Unless I'm missing some joke, the most "futuristic" part are the GPUs for Very High specs, and even they are already almost a year old or so.

I don't think it will happen, but being second party isn't bad either.
Nintendo has lots of second party partner studios.

The Smash killer that got bodied by Smash, now it will get bodied by WB itself.

No, I don't question my sanity.
By this point it seems clear that WB r-worded executives also got some seats in the game publishing branch and they will make it flop as hard as the movie branch did.

Are people really that dumb?
Steam pays on a 30 day cycle, they wouldn't receive the money until the end of March. Also Steam has a refund period.

The best I can do is $1 and even that is expensive af for Saber Interactive.

All in all, the main problem lies in management.
Idk if it was because pandemic threw everything in disarray, but it seems like Sony, and the whole industy tbh, is still trying to catch up with something.

For me the only "healthy" company right now is Nintendo, they seem to be the only one with no apparent problems, a steady release cycle and a good ROI.

Looks like Virtua Racing, might be worth a look.

No, the store isn't responsible to promote your game, that's on you and you only and every dev knows that.
Also, there's no such thing as a "deep cut", especially when we talk about Steam that literally gives you keys that you can sell anywhere and get 100% revenue.

Too bad its Microsoft Rare and not the good one.
Anyway, I'll avoid Sea of Flops.

@Shepherd_Tallon
Nintendo is more of a toy company that makes games.
And their games show that, I always have a blast playing whatever they release and almost never picked a Nintendo game that didn't gave me joy.

Nah, its fine the way it is.

I mean, most people buying a PS5 game will either buy a physical copy on an online retailer they trust (Amazon, Best Buy, Gamestop, etc), or they'll buy a digital copy directly on PS Store via their console.

Guess Grounded, Halo Infinite, Forza Motorsport, Sea of Thieves, Palworld and other live service games aren't that great or else people on the other side wouldn't port beg for Helldivers 2.

@carlos82
I think its far from it actually, at least for single-player titles.
It makes sense for them to release first on PS5 and then later on PC, you have an established consumer base that will most likely buy those games and data proves that most people are inclined to play SP games on consoles.

I wonder what kind of improvements could be made on this game outside a bump in resolution and FPS.
Not expecting some P3 ReLoad levels of care, but it would be nice to get 4K@60 and some RT too.

@OldGamer999
I think out of all manufacturers the only one you don't have to worry is Nintendo, they have a pretty steady pipeline and their hardware is always developed around what they can do.

Jesus F Christ.
I already knew MS had no direction, but this is beyond my wildest imaginations. This podcast is really one more nail in the coffin.

Sales ends right before Rebirth launch, they are probably aiming for that boost.

Podcast means they'll have a lot to explain, it ain't just a simple multiplat announcement that could have been made with a simple tweet/showcase.

Either this whole thing blew up bigger than they thought or they eff'd up big this time, and given the reaction from insiders I'd bet on the latter.

@Nei
If you look at regional monthly sales you get something between 1:2 to 1:20
Japan estimates for January was something like that, both PS5 and Switch outsold Xbox by 1:20.