Just to point out that the review has a higher wordcount than the peak CCU on Steam has players.
Firewalk and Sony willingly - and I assume, knowingly - launched a 40 Dollar game into a marketplace crowded by established competitors that are mostly free to play.
Not only that, but they got half of the hero shooter genre wrong; the heroes. The artstyle has no mass market appeal. Everyone looks and/or feels like they're in a Guardians of the Galaxy dvd you ordered off Temu.
Meanwhile, games with actual attractive characters like The First Descendant and Stellar Blade are making bank. I'm not saying every game should have anime girls, but it would have doubled the CCU here. Easily.
Anyhow. Concord launched with a fifth of Lawbreakers' peak. Just over a twentieth of what Suicide Squad launched with. That is the game's beginning, and its end. It will be on PS Plus in 12 to 18 months, it will be F2P within 24 to 30, and it will shut down one to two years after that. While that is pure conjecture and thus should not be used to determine a review score, it is so plausible to me that I could not fathom dropping 35 quid on it. Clearly others feel the same. There is a non-zero chance that this might be the E.T. moment for the live service genre - that's how colossal this bomb looks.
But about 600 to 700 people on Steam are. And that's something. I mean, it's fewer people than Skull & Bones currently has in-game, but it is something. Still more than 6-7 times as much as Suicide Squad!
@TheUnrestCure I'm really happy for you. Or sad that happened. Ain't reading all that. The beta, which they suspiciously threw open for everyone, was ass. 40 bucks for that, lord almighty.
I'd argue that Concord is best not played. Ever. There are plenty of hero shooters with vastly superior features and gameplay that you can access completely free of charge. Imagine paying 40 bones for the 'privilege' of sitting in Concord's lobbies instead. Or 60, if you're one of those stunningly brave folks who wanted three days early access.
Am I supposed to know who 'Lashana Lynch' is, considering her name is specifically called out? Sounds like the stage name for someone acting in movies for especially mature audiences.
Anyhow, I really enjoyed the first three Dark Pictures games (especially House of Ashes), skipped the fourth because the setting looked dumb, but this new setting looks to be the best yet - love me some sci-fi. Hopefully they rotated out the face models, though; it felt like they only had maybe a dozen of them, and they were constantly re-used throughout the first three games (e.g. the two guys from the prologue of the first game were playable in the second and third). Really killed immersion for me every time.
Hangar 13 again? Easy pass then. Mafia 3 was insulting on so, so many levels. Unless every single individual developer who worked on Mafia 3 has been forcibly moved on, I will not be giving this new one the time of day.
If it's less than 70 hours' worth of effort, I might go for it once the game makes the desperation jump to PS Plus Essential this time next year. Even though it means having to play all these ugly ass characters.
If it lists like a sinking ship, floods like a sinking ship, and disappears from view like a sinking ship.... Concord has 'colossal failure' written all over it.
It was never going to be on Plus Extra for long, being a relatively recent AAA game and all - turns out it was a six month contract, then. Its average Trophy rarity on PSNProfiles was falling nicely pretty much ever since it was added, but that's sure to rise as Trophy hunters now flock to it.
Glad I finished it way back in April. Pretty unremarkable game, most of it is just filler. Easy Plat though.
Upon further review, can I just say, how do these cutscenes help? We've seen two now and they're the flattest, most uninspiring things ever.
It's just people standing around, mouthing lore dumps with little to no context. I guess the message from the vignette above was, green man silly and space guild bad? The lady has an attitude, and the Discount Soldier 76 has a speech impediment? Thanks, I guess.
All I'm really getting here is that there is simply no character interaction beyond pointless quips, tossed around between obvious rip-offs of characters or tropes that were done much, much better elsewhere.
Concord sells itself on its characters, but then why did they decide to only offer this vignettes, rather than the opportunity to use the ship as a hub, walk around, and get bits and bobs of dialogue out of the characters? Think Mass Effect's Normandy. I can't imagine people would want to rewatch these vignettes more than once, if that.
I hope someone within Rocksteady is compiling all documents, emails, etc. they can find and hiding them away for future generations, because this game's spectacular failure should be studied for decades to come.
The playercount on Steam went as low as 48. 48 Concurrent players. There was a day where the peak playercount was just 100. This game took 7 years and 200 millions bucks to make. And what did it net Rocksteady and WB? Unlimited ridicule.
EDIT; also worth noting that they made a point of dissing Harley's Akrham Knight outfit in the base game, yet have now gotten so desperate to recoup some of the losses that they're now going to sell it in the in-game shop. With some alterations, of course, because the Arkham Knight version was obviously waaaaaaaaaay too revealing for this set of devs to approve of.
I think it's perfectly fair to judge the devs on the basis of this demo.
Selecting, preparing, and releasing this small slice of gameplay out of everything this supposedly big and long game has available isn't some accidental overnight decision. It being a stinky poopy and claiming 'oh, but the rest might actually smell nice' despite coming from the same point of origin is such a fine display of mental gymnastics, people saying as much ought to be in Paris this summer.
Never mind that the gaming press by and large runs interference for big publishers on the regular, but couldn't bring themselves to be more positive about this particular game. Modern Star Wars is always an instant 'never touch' for me but now I'm looking forward to seeing whether it bombs.
Wasn't for me, but I largely put that down to being old now.
E3 2009 just hits different when you're 16 compared to State of Play 2024 when you're 31.
That being said, showing more or better games would help. When your lead title is a discount version of Guardians of The Galaxy meets Overwatch, you give yourself a mountain to climb.
Idk man, appreciate it's not appropriate but this just looks cringe-to-play. Years behind the curve, and none of the characters speak to me as they all seem to busy ticking boxes in terms of tropes and the like.
Thinking back to the PS360 era, I had absolutely zero interest in the original. Never understood what people saw in it. That it got a sequel, hey, sure, guess it sold well enough. But again, from everything I saw of it, I could only muster extreme apathy. Seems that was a more widespread sentiment than anticipated given the noise made by what has turned out to be a vocal minority of fans.
@Bluetrain7 If anything that tells me that Push Square are doing it right. I've not often read reviews where my own score would deviate by more than one or at most two points either way, and every score is backed up appropriately. I trust the team here a fair bit more than IGN or Gamespot, especially when I doubt they could possibly have a stake (financial or otherwise) in giving games lower-than-average ratings.
I will not be supporting this game, or even trying it for free via Plus - it is simply not for me. I think I wholeheartedly disagree with a few things the developers have opted for during development, based on this review and the various previews and discussions of the game. I expect others will share that sentiment.
Maybe they were better off making a picturebook rather than a video game, because it sounds like they invested too much time in aspects of development that are really rather inconsequential when the core game and its mechanics are this poor.
On that basis, I would argue that the score is too high. It's a game, something to be played, so the story shouldn't be able to carry it to a six. This sounds like a 4 or 5, no higher than that. That's my opinion, though, and I respect the writer's views.
HANGAR 13 MENTIONED, GAME SENT TO 'NEVER BUY LIST'
No, but for real. Those character models look dreadful. Dreadful. Might give it a spin once it comes to PS Plus Essential, but even then I'm probably still more likely to never touch it.
@Jacko11 Mafia 2 to Mafia 3 was one of the biggest drop-offs between games in recent history.
Mafia 2 wasn't even perfect, in fact it was deeply, deeply flawed. But Mafia 3 was far below par in so many different areas, from story to gameplay to technical aspects to the very foundations of the game. A broken Trophy to boot. Still one of the best/worst Crowbcat videos to date, and that is saying something.
They fired the absolute midwit who founded the studio, but Mafia 3 as a game showed that the rot permeated the entire organization. It should have been disbanded or forced put out shovelware forever.
This game immediately went on the 'never, ever touch' list. I have NOT forgotten how utterly, utterly rancid Mafia 3 was. Them being forced to pump out annual sports games would handily keep them away from other franchises, so this is good news.
I sat the PS4 generation out, meaning I've been able to pick up great games for 'free' via PS Plus, never needing to buy any. I'm going to keep working through older games and staying behind the curve like that, because the thought of dropping 120 quid on a single game makes my head hurt. I don't care for post-Lucas SW, so I might not even play this when it hits Plus circa 2028.
This would have double the number of active players, if not triple, if the characters were anime girls instead of these weird plasticky things they went with.
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Re: Things Are Getting Worse for Floundering PS5, PC FPS Concord
@Rich33 if that makes you sick, I can't imagine you do well on rollercoasters.
Ultimately, Concord flopped because no one asked for a 40 Dollar hero shooter featuring the Temu versions of the Guardians of the Galaxy in 2024.
Re: Concord (PS5) - Live Service Debut Beats the Hate with Stellar Presentation and Good Gameplay
Just to point out that the review has a higher wordcount than the peak CCU on Steam has players.
Firewalk and Sony willingly - and I assume, knowingly - launched a 40 Dollar game into a marketplace crowded by established competitors that are mostly free to play.
Not only that, but they got half of the hero shooter genre wrong; the heroes. The artstyle has no mass market appeal. Everyone looks and/or feels like they're in a Guardians of the Galaxy dvd you ordered off Temu.
Meanwhile, games with actual attractive characters like The First Descendant and Stellar Blade are making bank. I'm not saying every game should have anime girls, but it would have doubled the CCU here. Easily.
Anyhow. Concord launched with a fifth of Lawbreakers' peak. Just over a twentieth of what Suicide Squad launched with. That is the game's beginning, and its end. It will be on PS Plus in 12 to 18 months, it will be F2P within 24 to 30, and it will shut down one to two years after that. While that is pure conjecture and thus should not be used to determine a review score, it is so plausible to me that I could not fathom dropping 35 quid on it. Clearly others feel the same. There is a non-zero chance that this might be the E.T. moment for the live service genre - that's how colossal this bomb looks.
Re: Preview: Directive 8020 a 'Huge Step Forward' for the Dark Pictures Series on PS5
Looking forward to this one, the first three games in the series were good fun.
Re: Poll: Are You Playing Concord?
No.
But about 600 to 700 people on Steam are. And that's something. I mean, it's fewer people than Skull & Bones currently has in-game, but it is something. Still more than 6-7 times as much as Suicide Squad!
Re: Clamp Down on Football Hooligans in Soccer Tycoon Title Copa City on PS5
Would give it a try on PS Plus, sounds novel enough
Re: Concord Probably Best Played on PC, According to Official Features Trailer
@TheUnrestCure "I should just hang out on the Steam forum to look for high-quality #$%^posting like the "General Playercount Watch Thread""
This but unironically.
Re: Concord Probably Best Played on PC, According to Official Features Trailer
@TheUnrestCure I'm really happy for you. Or sad that happened. Ain't reading all that. The beta, which they suspiciously threw open for everyone, was ass. 40 bucks for that, lord almighty.
Re: Concord Probably Best Played on PC, According to Official Features Trailer
I'd argue that Concord is best not played. Ever. There are plenty of hero shooters with vastly superior features and gameplay that you can access completely free of charge. Imagine paying 40 bones for the 'privilege' of sitting in Concord's lobbies instead. Or 60, if you're one of those stunningly brave folks who wanted three days early access.
Re: Directive 8020 Is the Next Dark Pictures Horror from Supermassive Games, Coming to PS5
Am I supposed to know who 'Lashana Lynch' is, considering her name is specifically called out? Sounds like the stage name for someone acting in movies for especially mature audiences.
Anyhow, I really enjoyed the first three Dark Pictures games (especially House of Ashes), skipped the fourth because the setting looked dumb, but this new setting looks to be the best yet - love me some sci-fi. Hopefully they rotated out the face models, though; it felt like they only had maybe a dozen of them, and they were constantly re-used throughout the first three games (e.g. the two guys from the prologue of the first game were playable in the second and third). Really killed immersion for me every time.
Re: PlayStation, Concord to Feature in Amazon Prime's Secret Level
'An episode dedicated to beloved PS Studios titles'
Glad to note that Concord is a separate episode, because I was about to object to the word 'beloved' in that tagline.
Re: Mafia: The Old Country Takes Gangster Series Back to Its Roots on PS5
Hangar 13 again? Easy pass then. Mafia 3 was insulting on so, so many levels. Unless every single individual developer who worked on Mafia 3 has been forcibly moved on, I will not be giving this new one the time of day.
Re: Concord's Platinum Trophy Looks Very Approachable on PS5
@Shepherd_Tallon due to all the collectibles, it's not. The 100% is even worse.
Re: Concord's Platinum Trophy Looks Very Approachable on PS5
If it's less than 70 hours' worth of effort, I might go for it once the game makes the desperation jump to PS Plus Essential this time next year. Even though it means having to play all these ugly ass characters.
If it lists like a sinking ship, floods like a sinking ship, and disappears from view like a sinking ship.... Concord has 'colossal failure' written all over it.
Re: The Plucky Squire Launches on PS5 This September, Day One on PS Plus Extra
The art style makes me want to vomit, really don't get what everyone sees in it. Glad for the people that like it, but this is an easy pass for me.
Re: Randy Pitchford Teases Borderlands 4 After Tirade Over Flop Movie Adaptation
Every often I think 'man, executives must be so smart to have reached such high positions' but then I remember Randy Pitchford exists.
Re: Interview: Learning All About The Precinct, PS5's Super Promising Sandbox Cop Game
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Re: PS Plus Extra Loses Five More PS5, PS4 Games in August
Unbound, ruhroh.
It was never going to be on Plus Extra for long, being a relatively recent AAA game and all - turns out it was a six month contract, then. Its average Trophy rarity on PSNProfiles was falling nicely pretty much ever since it was added, but that's sure to rise as Trophy hunters now flock to it.
Glad I finished it way back in April. Pretty unremarkable game, most of it is just filler. Easy Plat though.
Re: Take in a Concord Double Feature with These Scene-Setting Cinematic Vignettes
Upon further review, can I just say, how do these cutscenes help? We've seen two now and they're the flattest, most uninspiring things ever.
It's just people standing around, mouthing lore dumps with little to no context. I guess the message from the vignette above was, green man silly and space guild bad? The lady has an attitude, and the Discount Soldier 76 has a speech impediment? Thanks, I guess.
All I'm really getting here is that there is simply no character interaction beyond pointless quips, tossed around between obvious rip-offs of characters or tropes that were done much, much better elsewhere.
Concord sells itself on its characters, but then why did they decide to only offer this vignettes, rather than the opportunity to use the ship as a hub, walk around, and get bits and bobs of dialogue out of the characters? Think Mass Effect's Normandy. I can't imagine people would want to rewatch these vignettes more than once, if that.
Re: Take in a Concord Double Feature with These Scene-Setting Cinematic Vignettes
'We have Guardians of the Galaxy at home'-levels of writing.
Re: Suicide Squad Season 2 Frozen Days From Launch, Defrosting 25th July
This game is the gift that keeps on giving. The last time I had this much fun laughing at a game I didn't buy was Lawbreakers.
Rocksteady threw itself off the live service cliff and makes a point of hitting every single rock on the way down.
Re: Concord Beta: How to Access, Start Times, and What You Can Play
Two years of support tops, then mothballing and eventual server culling
Re: Remain Chill, Playable Mrs. Freeze Will Soon Join Suicide Squad's Rogues Gallery
I hope someone within Rocksteady is compiling all documents, emails, etc. they can find and hiding them away for future generations, because this game's spectacular failure should be studied for decades to come.
The playercount on Steam went as low as 48. 48 Concurrent players. There was a day where the peak playercount was just 100. This game took 7 years and 200 millions bucks to make. And what did it net Rocksteady and WB? Unlimited ridicule.
EDIT; also worth noting that they made a point of dissing Harley's Akrham Knight outfit in the base game, yet have now gotten so desperate to recoup some of the losses that they're now going to sell it in the in-game shop. With some alterations, of course, because the Arkham Knight version was obviously waaaaaaaaaay too revealing for this set of devs to approve of.
Re: Concord Dev Confirms Monetisation Through Cosmetics Only
Know what other game did this? Suicide Squad. Know what the playercount for that was on Steam yesterday? Between 50 and 180 throughout the entire day.
Re: Round Up: Concord PS5 Previews Seem Torn on Sony's New Shooter
Still dead on arrival
Re: Farming Simulator 25 Grows Up with East Asian Environment on PS5
I'm sorry.
Even FARMING SIMULATOR now has a Season Pass?
Really? What a load of crop.
Re: Criticised Star Wars Outlaws PS5 Demo Merely an 'Amuse-Bouche' of the Full Experience
I think it's perfectly fair to judge the devs on the basis of this demo.
Selecting, preparing, and releasing this small slice of gameplay out of everything this supposedly big and long game has available isn't some accidental overnight decision. It being a stinky poopy and claiming 'oh, but the rest might actually smell nice' despite coming from the same point of origin is such a fine display of mental gymnastics, people saying as much ought to be in Paris this summer.
Never mind that the gaming press by and large runs interference for big publishers on the regular, but couldn't bring themselves to be more positive about this particular game. Modern Star Wars is always an instant 'never touch' for me but now I'm looking forward to seeing whether it bombs.
Re: Sandbox Cop Game The Precinct Could Be a GTA-Inspired Indie Gem, Out on PS5 in August
Same devs as American Fugitive, which was a fantastic game. If you're on the fence, get off it and give this game a chance.
Re: Concord PS5, PC Has Six Action-Packed Modes at Launch
@UltimateOtaku91 You're so real for posting this
Re: Concord PS5, PC Has Six Action-Packed Modes at Launch
Think this will be DOA but happy to be proven wrong - if only it was on Steam day one so we could track the Steamcharts numbers.
Re: Just Cause Developer Avalanche Announces Closure of Two Studios, Layoffs
@ProfessorNiggle JC4 and especially JC3 came nowhere close to JC2. Something about that game was just chef's kiss. Still holds up to this day too.
Re: Preview: Gran Turismo Meets NFS in Test Drive Unlimited: Solar Crown
Driving game; meh
Driving game in HK; ZOMG!
Yeah, I am biased. Where is my Sleeping Dogs re-remaster?
Re: Reaction: PS5 Livestreams Are No Longer Speaking to the Fans Who Built the Brand
Wasn't for me, but I largely put that down to being old now.
E3 2009 just hits different when you're 16 compared to State of Play 2024 when you're 31.
That being said, showing more or better games would help. When your lead title is a discount version of Guardians of The Galaxy meets Overwatch, you give yourself a mountain to climb.
Re: PS5, PC Fans Are Trying to Figure Out if Concord Is Free-to-Play
Idk man, appreciate it's not appropriate but this just looks cringe-to-play. Years behind the curve, and none of the characters speak to me as they all seem to busy ticking boxes in terms of tropes and the like.
Re: Alan Wake 2 Yet to Recoup Dev, Marketing Expenses as Tencent Raises Stake
Thinking back to the PS360 era, I had absolutely zero interest in the original. Never understood what people saw in it. That it got a sequel, hey, sure, guess it sold well enough. But again, from everything I saw of it, I could only muster extreme apathy. Seems that was a more widespread sentiment than anticipated given the noise made by what has turned out to be a vocal minority of fans.
Re: Atari Revives Classic Video Game Brand Infogrames
Anyone else used to misread this name as Infogames? Just me? Takes me back to the 90's, ooft.
Re: Tales of Kenzera: ZAU (PS5) - Heartfelt Metroidvania on the Simple Side
@Bluetrain7 If anything that tells me that Push Square are doing it right. I've not often read reviews where my own score would deviate by more than one or at most two points either way, and every score is backed up appropriately. I trust the team here a fair bit more than IGN or Gamespot, especially when I doubt they could possibly have a stake (financial or otherwise) in giving games lower-than-average ratings.
Re: Tales of Kenzera: ZAU (PS5) - Heartfelt Metroidvania on the Simple Side
@LordAinsley My bad, looks like I read it as a 6.
Re: Tales of Kenzera: ZAU (PS5) - Heartfelt Metroidvania on the Simple Side
I will not be supporting this game, or even trying it for free via Plus - it is simply not for me. I think I wholeheartedly disagree with a few things the developers have opted for during development, based on this review and the various previews and discussions of the game. I expect others will share that sentiment.
Maybe they were better off making a picturebook rather than a video game, because it sounds like they invested too much time in aspects of development that are really rather inconsequential when the core game and its mechanics are this poor.
On that basis, I would argue that the score is too high. It's a game, something to be played, so the story shouldn't be able to carry it to a six. This sounds like a 4 or 5, no higher than that. That's my opinion, though, and I respect the writer's views.
Re: TopSpin 2K25 (PS5) - A Killer Serve 13 Years in the Making
HANGAR 13 MENTIONED, GAME SENT TO 'NEVER BUY LIST'
No, but for real. Those character models look dreadful. Dreadful. Might give it a spin once it comes to PS Plus Essential, but even then I'm probably still more likely to never touch it.
Re: Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2 Heads Back to Medieval Europe on PS5
I like historical accuracy and I commend the devs for the approach taken. Nice to see such a success story come out of a crowdfunded effort.
Re: Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2 Heads Back to Medieval Europe on PS5
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Re: Rumour: 2K Gearing Up for Mafia Announcement
'We have decided to disband Hangar 13, and are looking to sell the Mafia IP'.
Re: A New Rayman Game Is Coming This Year, But Not in the Way Everyone Wants
RAYMAN 4 WAS CANCELLED BECAUSE OF WlNNlE THE POOH'S RUMBLY TUMBLY ADVENTURE HMGGGNFGNGGNFFG AAAAAAAARGGGGHFHHHH
Re: Interview: Hangar 13 on TopSpin 2K25's Triumphant PS5 Return
@Jacko11 Mafia 2 to Mafia 3 was one of the biggest drop-offs between games in recent history.
Mafia 2 wasn't even perfect, in fact it was deeply, deeply flawed. But Mafia 3 was far below par in so many different areas, from story to gameplay to technical aspects to the very foundations of the game. A broken Trophy to boot. Still one of the best/worst Crowbcat videos to date, and that is saying something.
They fired the absolute midwit who founded the studio, but Mafia 3 as a game showed that the rot permeated the entire organization. It should have been disbanded or forced put out shovelware forever.
Re: Interview: Hangar 13 on TopSpin 2K25's Triumphant PS5 Return
HANGAR 13?!
This game immediately went on the 'never, ever touch' list. I have NOT forgotten how utterly, utterly rancid Mafia 3 was. Them being forced to pump out annual sports games would handily keep them away from other franchises, so this is good news.
Re: Two Star Wars Outlaws Expansions Will Arrive After PS5 Launch
I sat the PS4 generation out, meaning I've been able to pick up great games for 'free' via PS Plus, never needing to buy any. I'm going to keep working through older games and staying behind the curve like that, because the thought of dropping 120 quid on a single game makes my head hurt. I don't care for post-Lucas SW, so I might not even play this when it hits Plus circa 2028.
Re: Battlefield 2042 Support to End with Season 7 as Next Game Ramps Up
Actually really enjoyed this via PS Plus, platted it three times in fact (PS5, PS4 EU, PS4 NA). Not a good game, but enjoyable if that makes sense?
Re: Suicide Squad Woes Continue As Hackers Make Free with Unreleased Character, Skins
281 concurrent players on Steam right now, baybee.
Re: PS Plus Classic Resistance: Retribution Gets Infected Mode and More in Upcoming Update
NEW TROPHlES YEAH BOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Re: Foamstars Introduces Chloe Noir in Upcoming Season 3 Update on PS5, PS4
This would have double the number of active players, if not triple, if the characters were anime girls instead of these weird plasticky things they went with.