@thefourfoldroot1 I'm sure there are some good examples of it but Yakuza is such a bad example of you're trying to argue devs aren't looking for a quick buck. They release a game every year with the same city and mechanics. I guess you could argue they build something great by jamming in an additional mini game every year
@carlos82 @themightyant Super interesting. I know the percentage only went up 1% the last year. Which is bad, but its slow growth. Slow enough that it could swing back imo.
The Pro definitely shows they prefer a digital future.
@thefourfoldroot1 i get your point. however this is a sequel, with 2 previous games in the franchise and is also billed as part of the Control universe, a game that won numerous GOTY awards and was highly reviewed. The studio made Max Payne. At what point are you being won over?
If I was making games, I wouldnt bother catering to you as it requires releasing numerous games that you will not pay for before you'd consider dropping any money, in which case you're going to wait for a sale. You are basically only going to accidentally have games targeted to your taste through luck.
People complain about Concord, but sales figures probably showed Sony that game was worth making. Your opinion (and I reckon there are loads of great games that you like) doesnt register to companies looking for game ideas because you dont pay for anything!
They certainly dont read our various gripes on message boards like this! They look at the Fortnite bar going up and sell to those customers.
@carlos82 great point, I'd like to see a sales breakdown but that would make sense. I buy single player games physically every time to sell the game on when I'm done.
this sites comment section, myself and yourself included, would prefer games to be released physically, however digital sales and no disc consoles say that we are in the minority.
Yeah seems fair. This is honestly on the high end of what I was expecting, this could have easily been a 4/10 experience based on the gameplay I've seen.
The pedigree here is amazing but man, the footage they've put out of this...it honestly looks awful. Clunky movement, dodgy jarring unfun looking combat.
I love Deadly Premonition but the gameplay makes the game a real slog.
@themightyant sure but its nebuleus. i recommended this game to a few people and I think one person bought it.
I recommended titanfall 2 to a bunch of people and noone bought it.
I mean, maybe I'm not very persuasive but I dont think it pushes the dial.
I am pro-physical by the way, and pro-second hand game sales!
I just unfortunately dont think if they launched physical the small market of people who are:
people into survival horror, people who are interested in the niche alan wake franchise, people who buy physical, people who are so anti-digital they will refuse to buy something if they don't offer a physical version and people who only buy second hand games and dont buy them new...its got to be like a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of sales you're missing out on.
They've never really said the games are historically accurate have they?
I know they put a few modes in the recent games that let you just walk around the city and give you historic facts etc
In the second game, Leonardo DaVinci makes you a flying machine that you fly about in and theres also a magic apple that the Pope uses to gain magic powers, noones playing these and thinking that actually happened are they?
@thefourfoldroot1 the game is financially unsuccessful, if only the released it in a way that allowed me to pick it up second hand, allowing them to get zero revenue for my purchase, it could have been a success!
i wish they had released physical also but your argument is one of the reasons they did the digital only release lol. I'm not even completely convinced that a physical mass release would have helped. I'm a physical buyer and I just got it digitally anyway. plus it would have increased the budget that they already are struggling to make.
also, if you're not willing to put £42 in to try something that cost the studio 70 million to make, I dunno, just kind of a weird way to be. either stuff is worth your time and money or it isnt, seems like you've made your mind up that this isnt.
I'm not a big fan of leakers, and this to me just strikes as the most obvious position, thus feels to me like a classic leaker guess rather than an actual leak.
If I was to guess, yeah, I'd say they'd avoid porting Halo and Gears because they're synonymous with Xbox.
Jonah was my favourite character from the reboot. Underused in the 3 games I felt, he's a great companion. Good to see him showing back up here although sounds like he's underutilised again.
@MrPeanutbutterz Off the top of my head, Shinobi, Jeff Grubb, Colin Moriarty. It's hard to retain all of their names honestly, because a lot of them go by aliases like "duskgolem", "danielKPK"etc.
I'll say outright, there are voices in the space that I do trust. Jason Schrier, Jez Corden, Tom Henderson are all good voices and have been proven time and time again to have sources on the inside.
But a lot of these anonymous sources just cater in pure guess work based on existing knowledge.
For five quid I'll tel you that Activision are working on a new call of duty, there'll be a new Uncharted eventually and there'll be a new god of war. It's just a guess but it'll all come to fruition.
I cant tell you anything about the setting, protag or anything on the above games, because they're guesses. But I'll be proven right on my initial statement in the next 5 years. So I guess I'm a leaker now, I better start up a Patreon and start tweeting
@MrPeanutbutterz If someone told me they knew they were working on a ghosts of tshshima sequel but didn't know fundamentals such as a new protag, a time jump etc, I think it's correct to assume they just guessed. They didn't have any insider knowledge at all.
@Kelrics90 yup. The leakers who all have no knowledge were just guessing as Sony have remastered every game that has a film/TV show in the making (until dawn, horizon, tlou)
So...are we able to gather from this that all the "Playstation insider leakers" are full of rubbish?
There was rumblings from your grubbs and other oracles that there was a Ghosts of Tsushima 2 in production. But literally none of them pertained to the change of the name, the massive time jump,the female protag or the fact they were moving the series to be a Japanese history anthology rather than an ongoing story.
You just have to conclude from this that all those leakers were just guessing (because of course you'd expect a sequel from a massive game that sold like hotcakes) because there's no way you don't find out some of these details with insider knowledge
If you're interested in Epic Mickey and Warren Spectre, definitely read Jason Schreiers book "Press Reset", it has a whole chapter on how the game came about and the difficult dev cycle, as well as the rise and fall of Spector's Junction Point studio.
@LifeGirl I'm not sure if you'd be able to write off the studio purchase. But i guess even separated there's probably enough of a write off here to be a possibility.
@SleeplessKnight I disagree that going back to the uncharted well for the 7th time or whatever is a good idea.
And the fps story genre is practically dead and buried.
God of war you could argue was the exception to the rule but id argue they vastly changed the tone, gameplay and story depth of those games when they did the soft reboot.
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Re: Mini Review: Redacted (PS5) - Unexpected The Callisto Protocol Spinoff Makes for an Entertaining Roguelike
Dont shorten Callisto Protocol to CP bro please
Re: Golden Joystick Reveals Nominations for 'Ultimate Game of the Year'
@Icey664 the story and characters of stellar blade are garbage.
fun combat but not GOTY potential. sorry!
Re: Alan Wake 2 Trapped in Financial Dark Place, 'Most' Development, Marketing Costs Recouped
@thefourfoldroot1 I'm sure there are some good examples of it but Yakuza is such a bad example of you're trying to argue devs aren't looking for a quick buck. They release a game every year with the same city and mechanics. I guess you could argue they build something great by jamming in an additional mini game every year
Re: Alan Wake 2 Trapped in Financial Dark Place, 'Most' Development, Marketing Costs Recouped
@carlos82 @themightyant Super interesting. I know the percentage only went up 1% the last year. Which is bad, but its slow growth. Slow enough that it could swing back imo.
The Pro definitely shows they prefer a digital future.
Re: Alan Wake 2 Trapped in Financial Dark Place, 'Most' Development, Marketing Costs Recouped
@thefourfoldroot1
i get your point. however this is a sequel, with 2 previous games in the franchise and is also billed as part of the Control universe, a game that won numerous GOTY awards and was highly reviewed. The studio made Max Payne. At what point are you being won over?
If I was making games, I wouldnt bother catering to you as it requires releasing numerous games that you will not pay for before you'd consider dropping any money, in which case you're going to wait for a sale. You are basically only going to accidentally have games targeted to your taste through luck.
People complain about Concord, but sales figures probably showed Sony that game was worth making. Your opinion (and I reckon there are loads of great games that you like) doesnt register to companies looking for game ideas because you dont pay for anything!
They certainly dont read our various gripes on message boards like this! They look at the Fortnite bar going up and sell to those customers.
Re: Alan Wake 2 Trapped in Financial Dark Place, 'Most' Development, Marketing Costs Recouped
@carlos82 great point, I'd like to see a sales breakdown but that would make sense. I buy single player games physically every time to sell the game on when I'm done.
Re: Alan Wake 2 Trapped in Financial Dark Place, 'Most' Development, Marketing Costs Recouped
@themightyant you're right about echo chambers.
this sites comment section, myself and yourself included, would prefer games to be released physically, however digital sales and no disc consoles say that we are in the minority.
Re: Slitterhead (PS5) - Inventive Horror Is Essential for Japan Studio Fans
Yeah seems fair. This is honestly on the high end of what I was expecting, this could have easily been a 4/10 experience based on the gameplay I've seen.
The pedigree here is amazing but man, the footage they've put out of this...it honestly looks awful. Clunky movement, dodgy jarring unfun looking combat.
I love Deadly Premonition but the gameplay makes the game a real slog.
Re: Alan Wake 2 Trapped in Financial Dark Place, 'Most' Development, Marketing Costs Recouped
@themightyant sure but its nebuleus. i recommended this game to a few people and I think one person bought it.
I recommended titanfall 2 to a bunch of people and noone bought it.
I mean, maybe I'm not very persuasive but I dont think it pushes the dial.
I am pro-physical by the way, and pro-second hand game sales!
I just unfortunately dont think if they launched physical the small market of people who are:
people into survival horror, people who are interested in the niche alan wake franchise, people who buy physical, people who are so anti-digital they will refuse to buy something if they don't offer a physical version and people who only buy second hand games and dont buy them new...its got to be like a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of sales you're missing out on.
Re: Alan Wake 2 Trapped in Financial Dark Place, 'Most' Development, Marketing Costs Recouped
@LowDefAl Does that matter? A sale is a sale right?
Re: Assassin's Creed Boss Says Series Is Inherently Diverse, Just Like History
They've never really said the games are historically accurate have they?
I know they put a few modes in the recent games that let you just walk around the city and give you historic facts etc
In the second game, Leonardo DaVinci makes you a flying machine that you fly about in and theres also a magic apple that the Pope uses to gain magic powers, noones playing these and thinking that actually happened are they?
Re: Alan Wake 2 Trapped in Financial Dark Place, 'Most' Development, Marketing Costs Recouped
@Rob_230 the news last week was that 70% of all sales are now made digitally, with the number going up every year.
I also wish it had been physical but I dont think it would have pushed the needle.
not only is it only 30% of the users, but I am one of those users and I picked it up digitally so I wasnt even a lost sale.
Re: Alan Wake 2 Trapped in Financial Dark Place, 'Most' Development, Marketing Costs Recouped
@thefourfoldroot1 the game is financially unsuccessful, if only the released it in a way that allowed me to pick it up second hand, allowing them to get zero revenue for my purchase, it could have been a success!
i wish they had released physical also but your argument is one of the reasons they did the digital only release lol. I'm not even completely convinced that a physical mass release would have helped. I'm a physical buyer and I just got it digitally anyway. plus it would have increased the budget that they already are struggling to make.
also, if you're not willing to put £42 in to try something that cost the studio 70 million to make, I dunno, just kind of a weird way to be. either stuff is worth your time and money or it isnt, seems like you've made your mind up that this isnt.
Re: Monster Hunter Wilds' Beta Is Prompting Fans to Reconsider PS5 Pro
@commentlife it'll be fine, you just need to wait for them to release the game and then wait 6 whole months.
Re: Dragon Age: The Veilguard (PS5) - The Best BioWare Game Since Mass Effect 3
I appreciate noting the quippy, cutesy dialogue in the review.
Something that I personally, find a turn off, but others will really enjoy.
Re: Microsoft CEO Says More Xbox Games Will Come to PS5, Hours After Rumours Said Porting Project Was Paused
I'm not a big fan of leakers, and this to me just strikes as the most obvious position, thus feels to me like a classic leaker guess rather than an actual leak.
If I was to guess, yeah, I'd say they'd avoid porting Halo and Gears because they're synonymous with Xbox.
Re: Mini Review: Shadows of the Damned: Hella Remastered (PS5) - A Hella Good Update
"Ho-ho, now THAT is a big boner" - Garcia Hotspur, 2013
Re: Alan Wake 2: The Lake House (PS5) - Stellar DLC Paints a Path Forward for the Remedy Universe
Do I just need to upgrade to the premium version to play these 2 DLCs? so its 15£?
Re: Mini Review: Squirrel with a Gun (PS5) - Forage for Chaos in This Silly Sandbox Adventure
As soon as I saw the gunplay in the gameplay trailer showing you have to pump like 10 bullets into each enemy I knew I wasnt going to play this.
Goofy ass saints row bullet sponge hell
Re: Sony's Guerrilla Sounds Completely Done with the Killzone Series
I'd say "Good" but I dont particularly like Horizon either.
Guerilla have some amazing tech and make beautiful looking games, but they cannot create a new interesting play experience or story in my opinion.
Killzone chased the AAA FPS trend present in the 00s, Horizon chases the AAA Open World trend present now.
If you enjoy these games great, but they've never done anything remarkable.
Re: Like It or Not, This Is Why PS5 Pro Doesn't Have a Disc Drive
They can likely 100% get away with launching a discless, no compatible drive console with figures like these.
I think people will eventually really want to watch a DVD or Bluray, dig one out and then realise they cant anymore
Re: TV Show Review: Tomb Raider: The Legend of Lara Croft - Globetrotting Animated Adventure Edges Lara's Arc Forward
Jonah was my favourite character from the reboot. Underused in the 3 games I felt, he's a great companion. Good to see him showing back up here although sounds like he's underutilised again.
Re: Ghost of Yotei's Gorgeous Open World Will Be Less Repetitive Than Tsushima's
This is good news.
I think too many gamers are far too accepting of repetitive, copy paste gameplay.
GoT is a fine Open World game with a good story but yes, a bit dull in places.
Re: Lords of the Fallen PS5 Sequel Prioritising 'Elevated Production Values', More 'Commercial' Art Style
I honestly think the game looked and played like garbage and had awful performance.
The multiplayer was also broken for MONTHS after launch. I'm sure they can make a good Lords of the Fallen game, but they havent yet.
Re: Sony's Live Service Push 'No Joke', A Lot of People Working on Horizon Online
Honestly if it's like a PVE open world multiplayer game with quests, big new robots to take down with friends, clans etc it could be really good.
It's not for me but it sounds like something that could be good, rather than just another overwatch ripoff
Re: PS Store Confirms Lots More PS5 Pro Enhanced Games with New Tag
@PloverNutter I suspect they will have to do this as a sort of make good.
They still don't have dragons dogma 2 running at 60fps on a base PS5 and announced a pro patch for it.
I imagine that based on the fact it's also an open world game on the RE engine, it will also struggle to meet 60 on the base
Re: Ghost of Yotei Is the Ghost of Tsushima Sequel We Needed, Slashing to PS5 in 2025
@MrPeanutbutterz Off the top of my head, Shinobi, Jeff Grubb, Colin Moriarty. It's hard to retain all of their names honestly, because a lot of them go by aliases like "duskgolem", "danielKPK"etc.
I'll say outright, there are voices in the space that I do trust. Jason Schrier, Jez Corden, Tom Henderson are all good voices and have been proven time and time again to have sources on the inside.
But a lot of these anonymous sources just cater in pure guess work based on existing knowledge.
Re: Ghost of Yotei Is the Ghost of Tsushima Sequel We Needed, Slashing to PS5 in 2025
@MrPeanutbutterz Literally its a guess.
And if its a guess, what is the value of it?
For five quid I'll tel you that Activision are working on a new call of duty, there'll be a new Uncharted eventually and there'll be a new god of war. It's just a guess but it'll all come to fruition.
I cant tell you anything about the setting, protag or anything on the above games, because they're guesses. But I'll be proven right on my initial statement in the next 5 years. So I guess I'm a leaker now, I better start up a Patreon and start tweeting
Re: Ghost of Yotei Is the Ghost of Tsushima Sequel We Needed, Slashing to PS5 in 2025
@MrPeanutbutterz If someone told me they knew they were working on a ghosts of tshshima sequel but didn't know fundamentals such as a new protag, a time jump etc, I think it's correct to assume they just guessed. They didn't have any insider knowledge at all.
Re: Round Up: What Was Announced During Sony's State of Play Livestream for September 2024?
@Kelrics90 yup. The leakers who all have no knowledge were just guessing as Sony have remastered every game that has a film/TV show in the making (until dawn, horizon, tlou)
And they guessed wrong
Re: Ghost of Yotei Is the Ghost of Tsushima Sequel We Needed, Slashing to PS5 in 2025
So...are we able to gather from this that all the "Playstation insider leakers" are full of rubbish?
There was rumblings from your grubbs and other oracles that there was a Ghosts of Tsushima 2 in production. But literally none of them pertained to the change of the name, the massive time jump,the female protag or the fact they were moving the series to be a Japanese history anthology rather than an ongoing story.
You just have to conclude from this that all those leakers were just guessing (because of course you'd expect a sequel from a massive game that sold like hotcakes) because there's no way you don't find out some of these details with insider knowledge
Re: Don't Nod 'Disappointed' by Banishers: Ghosts of New Eden, Jusant Sales
Vampyr is a great mid budget title and didn't find the audience at the time.
So wonder if Banishers will be propping up their profits as it finds an audience in 5 years time as their new game bombs
Re: Disney Epic Mickey: Rebrushed (PS5) - Substantial Updates Paint Over Flaws of Beloved Platformer
If you're interested in Epic Mickey and Warren Spectre, definitely read Jason Schreiers book "Press Reset", it has a whole chapter on how the game came about and the difficult dev cycle, as well as the rise and fall of Spector's Junction Point studio.
Super interesting story
Re: Rumour: Concord Cost $400 Million, Sony Believed It Was the 'Future of PlayStation'
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Re: Rumour: Concord Cost $400 Million, Sony Believed It Was the 'Future of PlayStation'
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Re: Rumour: Concord Cost $400 Million, Sony Believed It Was the 'Future of PlayStation'
>Colin Moriarty
Lol. I have no doubt he has a source honestly.
But it's probably just another libertarian loser giving his opinion on his boss to another libertarian loser.
Re: Days Gone PS5 Remaster Rumours Start to Snowball
It's well worth it just to watch John Garvin have a rage induced stroke afterwards.
Re: Reaction: Why There Are So Many Unnecessary PS5 Remasters for Games That Don't Need Them
@twitchtvpat all sounds good to me!
Re: Reaction: Why There Are So Many Unnecessary PS5 Remasters for Games That Don't Need Them
If the alternate to this is doing remakes of Resistance and Killzone, that's just as bad in my eyes
Resources should be used on new games.
Re: Jaw-Dropping 30th Anniversary PS5 Pro Console and Accessories Will Bankrupt You
It's literally insane to intentionally make your console modular to save money and then not offer face plates for existing owners
Re: Play the Worst Ratchet & Clank on PS5, PS4 with PS Plus Premium
Is it worse than size matters? I played that when that came to plus and honestly, it was a miserable experience
Re: Poll: What Review Score Would You Give Astro Bot?
@HonestHick the circle and square challenges?
Re: You Can't Buy Concord on PS5, PC Anymore, But You Can Buy the Official Merch
@LifeGirl I'm not sure if you'd be able to write off the studio purchase. But i guess even separated there's probably enough of a write off here to be a possibility.
Re: You Can't Buy Concord on PS5, PC Anymore, But You Can Buy the Official Merch
@LifeGirl does 200 mil include buying the studio?
Or is it 200 mil, straight development costs
Re: PS5 Players Choose Performance Mode 75% of the Time
I think this is a good use case for the Pro, it's just that price point.
I know some don't care but if some amount of the 75% do, then its a good upgrade for them
Re: Ubisoft Investor Calls for Company to Go Private, and CEO Yves Guillemot to Be Replaced
@Ainu20 DEI is when women exist
Re: Ubisoft Investor Calls for Company to Go Private, and CEO Yves Guillemot to Be Replaced
@Vaako007 DEI can't make a game that's bad worse dude.
Outlaws is dull, predictable and has performance issues.
I don't even know what dei you're talking about honestly. It's star wars, there's a bunch of humans and aliens running about
Re: Soapbox: Astro's Playroom PS5 Did Live Service and You Didn't Even Notice
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Re: Poll: What Review Score Would You Give Star Wars Outlaws?
@nessisonett Ubi did 9/11
Re: Reaction: PlayStation Needs to Take a Long, Hard Look at Itself
@SleeplessKnight I disagree that going back to the uncharted well for the 7th time or whatever is a good idea.
And the fps story genre is practically dead and buried.
God of war you could argue was the exception to the rule but id argue they vastly changed the tone, gameplay and story depth of those games when they did the soft reboot.