B_Lindz

@Markatron84 Honest to goodness, I would not put it past Sony if they wanted to charge $5–$10 for a PS5 Pro Patch for some games.

@SolarSailor The franchise is cursed. First Breath of the Wild, then Elden Ring, and now Switch 2. 🤣

A classic? It came out 2 years ago and it was, like, 60% exactly the same as the first game.

@Artois2 They both play almost all the same third-party games. Yes, I am comparing the PS5 Pro to the Switch Lite. One of these consoles is an affordable option to console gaming and the other is a shameless $850 cash grab. Nearly every option to get into console gaming will cost around half or less than half the cost of the PS5 Pro.

@kevinm360 Actually, no, it's not. The price of admission for what? "Pro" visuals for Sony's non-existant first-party library? The VAST majority of games barely even require the power of a PS4 to run perfectly fine. There is a tiny portion of games that need the power of a PS5, and basically nothing that actually NEEDS a PS5 Pro's power. Do you know what the actual price of admission is for console gaming? You can buy a used Nintendo Switch Lite right now for $100. $850 for a PS5 Pro is one of the most tone deaf marketing decisions I have ever seen, let alone how tone deaf some shiz-for-brains millionaire sounds saying it's "worth the cost" at a time when people can barely pay rent and put food on the table.

Ah yes, let's listen to a multimillionaire on if $700 is affordable. Screw this guy.

I feel like the future conversation is going to be less of "console vs PC," and more of "what console do I want in addition to my PC." I could see a lot of people having a PC and a Switch 2 so they can play basically everything on the market instead of PC and PS6, which will play basically the exact same games as each other and will be less cost effective.

Why? Who even cares at this point? Sony is more concerned about taking money from their fans than making games for their fans. Save for Astro Bot and Rift Apart, this has been the most disappointing console generation I have ever seen.

I gotta be honest, I already forgot that this movie even happened.

The diminishing returns on this console upgrade are just too much to ignore. Most games still run fine on the PS4, let alone the base PS5. At this rate, there really isn't a need for a PS5 Pro or even a PS6.

PS5 Pro = $700
PSVR2 = $500
PS5 Disc Drive = $80
PS5 Stand = $30
Horizon Call of the Mountain = $60

Final Total = $1,370 + tax

Oh boy! What a very affordable and accessible way to get into VR gaming! I can't wait to see slightly sharper grass in my full-price tech demo of a game. 🙄

I can't wait to play Shovel Knight on this and experience the true power of a pro console.

But seriously, like, 99.9% of games aren't even using the full power of the PS5, let alone the PS4 Pro. This console upgrade is a joke.

@Octaslasher I saw a used Switch Lite on Facebook Marketplace with a game or two included for $150. I'm grateful that there are still ways for people to play games on a budget. I agree with you. I feel like the majority of Sony's fans just got priced out of their own fandom.

@danzoEX I can confirm that the grass is redder on the other side.

I already thought the PS5 was overpriced. This is absolutely ludicrous.

This is a joke. After taxes, this thing is going to be around $850. You could buy 4 Nintendo Switch Lites for the same price. This is the most tone-deaf price point I could have ever imagined.

Hahaha!! $700 without a disc drive? That's the best joke I've heard all year.

I'm almost positive this box is going to be $700 after adding a disc drive and taxes. I can't wait to get a non-discernably, slightly smoother frame rate for the cost of 3 Nintendo Switch Lites. Especially when it's hard enough to afford rent in today's world.

I'm just in awe how Sony went from the PS4 generation, one of the best gens and first-party exclusive libraries I have ever seen, to this. The console wars don't matter, but they were in first, and it wasn't even close. Nintendo was face-down in the dirt with the WiiU and Microsoft fumbled the switch from Xbox 360 to the next gen. Look where we are now. Nintendo dusted themselves off, took the bar, and effing sprinted with it, creating possibly the greatest console with the most successful game libraries of all-time. Microsoft continues to fumble, but has a half-decent upcoming release schedule. And Sony? Just, how? They are directionless. Almost every single PS5 game has been either a re-release or sequel riding on the PS4 generation's coattails of originality and creativity. For myself, the PS5 generation has been the most uninspiring and disappointing generation I've experienced. What's the point of ever getting a PS5 Pro or a PS6 if this is what we can expect from Sony?

I'm in the camp of "I love Star Wars, but I am completely burned out on the franchise."

This would basically be the nail in the coffin for me when it comes to EVER buying a game again at full price. I already only pay full price for a game maybe once or twice a year.

Holy crap, Sony cannot catch a break this year. If it weren't for Astro Bot and Helldivers 2, I'd have thought they'd be sunk after this year.

Stars couldn't hold a candle to Nintendo's Gold Coin system, and then Sony decided to make Stars even worse... that sure was a choice alright...

This is a $20 game on the PS Store. Absolutely not. Sony needs to pull their heads out of their butts.

The Actual Roadmap: Sony throws the whole game and the team that made it in the garbage in 6 months when this flops.

I'm willing to bet they won't.

I do not understand why "Not a long game" is a con. I would take a 2-4 hour platformer over some bloated, open-world 40-70 hours game like H:ZD or AC any day.

Starring Tiger Woods

Remember when Sony was at the top of their absolute freaking game during the PS4 generation? That was fun while it lasted.

Sony is an absolute mess right now.

But where are the games? I'm having a hard time not feeling buyer's remorse for my PS5, let alone this dumb, overpriced headset. I have zero desire to get this thing.

@PegasusActual93 This is simply not true. In interviews, the director explained how they were able to keep the cost of the movie so low.

• They did everything in house with their team of 35 VFX artist. Studios tend to spend through the nose to outsource their VFX so they get results faster or redone.
• Their studio did VERY scrappy preproduction. Rather than using CGI for preproduction, they literally had a Godzilla action figure on a blue screen to stage all of their shots. They cut as many corners as they could to save on cost during production.
• They kept the VFX to a minimum and only had Godzilla on screen when he needed to be. Everything else was character-driven storytelling or they used practical effects.
• They didn't redo hardly any of the VFX shots. Studios waste tens of millions of dollars because they make whole VFX scenes that get cut or redone due to poor planning in the preproduction stages.

Source:

• https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-visual-effects-for-godzilla-minus-one-cost-between-a-quarter-and-a-third-of-its-less-than-15m-budget.814347/
• I work in the visual arts.

Hey, Godzilla Minus One had a budget of only $15 million. A small budget doesn't mean low quality.

You know the outlook instead great when they have to cut the price of the console, and Nintendo never once cut the price of their console after 7 years.

I know many generations have had a price cut on consoles midway through the generation, but games (not a price cut) are what what sells consoles.

Oh haaaaaaaaail yes. 😎

Tracer, but she's blue, a healer, and slow. 🎉

My GOTY so far is Persona 5: Royal, because that is literally the only game I have used it for this year.

@donv2135 A few reason. I like to stay informed, for one, but I also care about the gaming community, especially the Sony community. I used to be subscribed, but I felt it wasn't worth my money once Sony raised the price, and even before them, too. It's nice letting people know the grass is greener once you stop paying for it.

Months like this remind me how grateful I am that I canceled my PS+ subscription.

Zelda and Astro Bot

Right... but it's $60...

I wholeheartedly agree with the top 3... but, like, a fourth of Nintendo's direct is now above this list for me. Haha!

Those who think the only good thing to come out of the Summer Game Fest was Xbox's show clearly didn't watch the Day of the Dev presentation. There are some solid indies headed our way, like Petal Runner, Phoenix Springs, Screenbound, and Neva.

Chasing shiny new graphics has got to be one of the most uninteresting aspect in gaming to me now. I could not care less how many hair strands I can see on the main character or how many rays can be traced. It's a stupid waste of time and resources, and it only makes game development longer and more expensive.

Great games stand the test of time because they great games, not because they look real. Great art direction and great game design will ALWAYS trump photorealism. I would take the visuals of Persona 5: Royal, Hi-Fi Rush, and Hollow Knight over God of War: Ragnarok and Horizon: Forbidden West 10 out of 10 times, without question. In 10 years, photorealistic games look old and outdated, but games with superb art direction and design will forever stand the test of time.

$10 says the PS5 Pro will say 8K on the box.

@mctaboo Oh! Dude, that's awesome! I sorry for my misunderstanding. I'm with you there. All I ever play now are indies. They're carrying the game industry right now.

@mctaboo Dude, seriously? If you think only 5 good games have come out in the past 3 years then you need to seriously branch out more. Indie games are better than they have ever been before with creativity shooting out of their butts. If you think gaming sucks right now then you are BARELY even trying to find good games.

The best way to watch the Summer Game Fest is with a 1-2 hour delay. Then you can watch or skip any trailers you do or don't care about. I did this last year and it was a pretty enjoyable experience.

Ha! The demo is a PS4 demo, not a PS5 demo. Definitely going to try this out, but I just think it's hilarious that we're 4 years into this generation and it still feels like the generation hasn't started yet. Love playing games on my PS4 Pro Pro.

I could not care less about any of these games except for Astro Bot. That game looks incredible.