MattBoothDev

I literally don't care. The PS5 Pro is too much money for what it is and sets a terrible precedent in terms of gouging on price.

Where's the "no, but if it weren't so stupidly priced, I would" option?

NB: Reviewers didn't have to pay £800 for one

No I'm not planning on getting a PS5 Pro and contributing to a serious problem

I'd buy this one. One of the few games Microsoft did really well on. I think it's one of the few studios they left to get on with it after buying them, rather then having a capitalbro looming over them 24/7 chasing the upward line.

@ApostateMage £800, mate. My base PS5 has a disc drive, as do, apparently, 85% of PS5s sold. To be able to play any of my disc games, which is about 20, I need the disc drive.

So it's an £800 console if your need feature parity.

Man, you guys really, really want people to buy this thing for £800, eh? I still haven't moved on from the price and I'm unlikely to until the price moves.

Honestly disgusting. Not the idea of a digital only console, of course. Who'd be bothered by that, but that they're putting this rubbish on the packaging.

5 years only to fail really hard and upset millions is fans.

When the PS4 Pro come out it's was £450, £50 more than the £399 PS4 launch price.

The PS5 Pro is £830 and the launch PS5 was £430.

Absolutely insane. There's no logistical reasoning that makes this price ok. It's doubled the launch price. The price of the Yen and silicone doesn't matter.

I will keep not buying them.

@thiagoauler 85% of PS5s are equipped with a disc drive. Sony counts skins, digital currency and battle packs as digital purchase in these figures. They're fudging the numbers to make it look like people but physical less than they actually do.

I call BS on this one. Most PS5s have a disc.

You know what they can't delist? My physical copy of the PS4 game.

Where's the "nope, it's too expensive" poll option?

Step 1, lose all sense

Literally none of the graphics performance is worth £800 for a console.

@Psnfanboy79 You don't need a "really good PC" to compete with a PS5 Pro, though.

I want a £600 PS5 Pro with a disc drive more then anything.

I have already managed the platinum last Sunday 👌

Unless it's going to enable 60FPS in 30FPS locked PS4 games then it's worthless.

There's a load of good PS4 games that hold up today and need a 60FPS PS5 patch

£700 is a total joke. No disc drive (I'm not buying one separately - it should be included).

This is supposed to be a "Pro" console but they can't even throw in a cheap £25 stand and include the disc drive? Sony own the Blu-Ray licensing and produce millions of them. They can include one for free at that price.

Lol, "worry"? It just makes me angrier. It should be included and be £599.99 or less. Otherwise they can screw off.

@Rob3008 They're definitely turning a profit this generation, rather than loss leading on the console and making up for it on accessories and software.

I suspect the lack of competition is part of it, but not necessarily because it's intentional, but that there's simply more demand for PS5 Dual Sense controllers because there's more PS5s out there.

@Paranoimia No one wants live service games with battle passes, paid skins and all the other shady selling tactics that go with it.

>Sony needs a cash cow, because its single player games are costing too much and taking too long to make.

Author is part of the problem. Single player games do not cost too much and don't take any longer than rubbish like this.

They spent $200m on this live service crap. That could've probably paid for another Uncharted game.

PS Stars is terrible anyway. However, obviously some people were getting "too much" value from the service and opting for the credit instead of the useless rubbish for the virtual shelf.

Firstly, there's no reward for having bought a game physically. Secondly, there's no reward if you've bought a game recently. I.E. I bought a game, digitally, only to see it had extra points available but since I didn't check and start the promotion, I can't get the bonus points.

Finally, not getting points for my PS Plus subscription is a slap on the face. I'll likely never get enough for £20 in credit ever again.

£720 for an SSD and they give you a month of PS Plus Premium... Worth, what, £20? Jesus.

I suppose there didn't need to be anything at all given away since you're still getting your SSD's worth but it hardly seems worth putting it on the box. Can you even add a free month if you have already subscribed?

Calling the Playstation store authoritarian is ridiculously tone deaf and infantile.

Also, this isn't a good idea. People are stupid. Metacritic is a shining example of this, as are Steam's reviews. Ok, Steam's reviews aren't on the same page as metacritic, but there's 10 stupid reviews for every 1 decent review.

Steam also seems to think I care what YouTubers think.

Good, because I still but physical whenever possible and I've actively avoided some games that don't have a physical release.

I think Lost Legacy should be higher up the list. It's an amazing game and definitely a direction I want the series to continue in.

Uncharted 4 was a great end to Drake's story, but the series and formula work so well.

That's when I'll check out of console gaming, then. I have no interest in a digital only console future. Less rights and control over my library. Higher prices.

@Arnna pretty much most third person games have a better control scheme, in my opinion.

Like I originally said, it's great that people enjoy their games so much, but they're not for me. I don't enjoy being frustrated and the games seem designed to frustrate.

@Arnna I knew someone would come along with a boneheaded comment like that.

The controls are rubbish, slow and clunky, in my opinion. You don't need to be personally offended that someone else has a different take.

FromSoftware games are hard because the controls are rubbish and the gameplay is unrelenting. It's great that people enjoy them but they aren't that good, in my opinion.

Of course. That makes sense, but it's still a bit indicative of how Sony is mistreating the PSVR2.

It was nice to finally get some games on PS Plus for it, recently, but otherwise, since Horizon: Call of the Mountain there hasn't been a Sony first party title built for it.

Symbolically, Astrobot was a Sony first party game the was designed to show off the PSVR so VR fans looking to Team Asobi for an Astro VR game isn't too far wrong.

Edit:

Equally, I'm definitely buying the new Astro game. Playroom was loads of fun and nostalgia.

Yeah, no, Phil.

You had no choice. That's the fact of the matter.

Doom, Fallout and The Elder Scrolls are three Bethesda/id games that will cause you a lot of bad press if they went exclusive. I, for one, would not buy an Xbox just to play them and would be very bitter towards Microsoft as a result. Those were previously multiplatform games that belong to the fans across all platforms they were published.

Those games will sell much better if they're widely available. Phil Spencer isn't doing anyone and favours here.

Ah, no, no thanks...

As a former PC gamer I never saw the issue with accounts necessary for things like this, especially something like this, Sony publishing first party games on PC.

The line for me would be having a separate client, like Epic or Uplay.

Having to sign up for a PSN account is free and not a problem.

@PuppetMaster ... There's another way. PS3 has since been abandoned so homebrew is an option.

I think you can still buy it on the store on PS3 as well.

@PuppetMaster for the Ratchet games, you can play the original PS2 games via the PS3 HD Collection they did, which is a very good way of playing them... But then you need a PS3 😐

@djlard I have two, a Phat with the (official) network adapter and a SATA drive and a slim with a dodgy disc drive 😁

@djlard that's a good idea, but what if they charge £70 for it?

They need to work on a PS3 emulator.

Streaming PS3 games absolutely sucks. PCs can emulate PS3 very well these days and they own the IP and should have privileged access to sources.

There's no real reason a third party publisher like Square-Enix should be publishing on a single platform without a really, really good reason.

I mean... If I had any interest in these games I'd own an Xbox. Them being on PlayStation doesn't really move the dial for me.

Jesus Christ, they might as well not bother

Rebirth is a badtardised version is a beloved 90's franchise and this is a new thing... So hardly surprising

@Vaako007 Fully agreed. I'm not adverse to digital games, though. They have a place in the market and they're more ecologically friendly, but the industry can't be trusted at all

As for movies... Well I used to buy those but now I acquire elsewhere where formats and quality aren't a problem... And neither is the matter of ownership of the files.

It was another live service, so I automatically had no interest in it, even for free.

I don't think this van be repeated enough, but physical sales are not flagging.

At least, not entirely naturally.

Publishers are intentionally publishing less physical releases and then pointing to lower physical sales as their reasoning.

Platforms like Sony don't allow for complete editions on a disc and DLC is a code and this counts as DLC. So if you bought the Phantom Liberty edition of Cyberpunk 2077, for example, your purchase counted towards both because the code usage is registered as a digital download.

There's some serious fudging going on and it's to try and convince everyone there's no need for a physical market and that we should accept digital.

Now, I'm not against digital and I have a decent TV digital library on many platforms, but physical is my preferred format.

The problem is that publishers get less money from a physical sale because there's additional costs. Retailers take the most risk because they buy and hold the stock. A £69.99 game sold physically is probably sold to the store, via the publisher/distributor for about £30.

As we know, digital has none of that, just a 30% cut to the platform holder.

I think Sony and Microsoft are in cahoots with publishers (and both of them are a publisher anyway) to get rid of physical media so that they can reap all the benefits.

The problem is that a strong physical market keeps the digital one in check. When retailers have been holding stock too long they cut the price. When you can buy "NewGame 2" for £69.99 on PSN or £39.99 on Amazon, there's a clear choice there and an incentive to drop the PSN price to £39.99 as well.

Without a physical market, digital prices will go to and remain higher for longer because your choice and competition has been removed. Without physical releases, Sony and Microsoft have a monopoly on buying games for their platform.