More interested in what’s in the expansion. What systems from the base game will they finish? There’s a lot to fix in Cyberpunk, as good as the largely linear narrative is.
@nessisonett 100% agree. Part of the handful of companies deserving a reckoning of some sort, but unfortunately also one of the companies with legions of casuals who couldn’t care less about anything beyond a way to pass time gaming.
@wiiware Having a laugh if you think AI can write good scripts. It would need a lot of editing to be anywhere close. Also they’re not just striking because of AI, but streaming residuals and writer rooms.
The cheek. Absolute scummy behaviour, how do they justify the fact you can’t actually buy the lower priced pass, you will have to buy extra silver you don’t even want? I jumped in to play Lightfall but once I’m done, think I’m dropping this. Bungee have a brilliant game at its core, mechanically, but some of the things they do reek of laziness and a lack of care for their community.
@wiiware Utter drivel of a generalisation. Disco Elysium, Citizen Sleeper, God of War, Wrath of the Righteous, Divinity OS2, Pentiment, Tyranny etc etc. I could go on and on and list recent games with fantastic writing, but sure go ahead and blame Twitter because we have some that are written badly. There have always been badly written games and tv shows. We have more games with better writing now than ever. To act like now is a particularly bad time is absolute nonsense if you take some time and look at the field of play, be it in gaming or tv. This lazy cliche needs to stop being regurgitated.
Sounds like they’ve had time to actually finish the game this time. I hope they spruce up the mechanics and systems which were half baked at best at launch, loved the story though, as an action adventure game.
@Korgon Owlcat is doing it right in my opinion. The Pathfinder games are huge and deep. A single playthrough could take 100hrs but they’re also highly replayable. Out of all the issues people sometimes have (more with Pathfinder 1, 2 is brilliant), not being cinematic wasn’t one of them. Agree with you. Pathfinder and Wasteland may not make Cyberpunk money though, which is where this focus in the dev space may also come from, the need to compete with Naughty Dog rather than being happy as an Owlcat or Larian.
@Balosi Exactly. Decide what you want to make. What kinda winds me up is that CDPR did this to themselves. They’re the ones who wanted to make cinematic RPGs after hitting it big with Witcher 3. They wanted to follow that up because they had set themselves a standard, but really most RPG fans are having a blast playing WotR and it’s scaled back immensely. They don’t want to go back to basics because maybe they feel obligated to keep going now and went overboard with the Cyberpunk hype, but they don’t have to. I replayed the Shadowrun trilogy earlier this year and had an absolute blast. If they want to push the envelope, they shouldn’t complain that people expect them to push the envelope because that’s what they promised.
Absolute nonsense. Pathfinder, Wasteland etc are doing fine. No RPG fans really care about cinematics, just good story, world and mechanics. You don’t have to compete with Naughty Dog, nobody is asking you to. He even references Disco Elysium but still says this.
@zupertramp If you’re fine with this, at what point will this not be ok? If COD made you pay extra for real gun sounds, would that also be ok? Only gun nuts would care right? What if all the characters were voiced by staff and they made you pay extra for real voice actors? Would that be ok? Should every game dev start charging extra for real voice actors, since only real people fans would care? We need to stop excusing this nonsense, look at where we are because of letting them get away with this.
Looking forward to a packaged deal on sale. Feels like it will take all my gaming time r get my head around it so waiting for a good gap in backlog. Always wanted to try this.
Japan’s obsession with high schoolers is interesting. I think it’s a yearning for better days. Adulthood, with all the work and pressure that comes with it, just doesn’t seem as appealing as the freedom one envisaged in youth. Back then you could be anything, anything could happen, but as an adult you know that’s not the case. We’re on our train tracks but we wish we could still believe we could be on any. High schoolers are stem cells to the adult mindset.
Really looking forward to this, loved the first game as it was a total surprise playing it on Plus. Interesting they’re adding a few more layers to characters since the first game’s build diversity was pretty much reliant in the weapons themselves. This looks like there’ll be even more to it this time around.
The best trophies are those that, whilst some may be difficult, get you to fully explore the games systems and lore, not just waste your time. Sometimes you miss things on a normal playthrough, and trophies should try to cover those gaps and/or push you towards mastery of a system. I don’t bother platinum-ing anything that looks wasteful.
Aristotle covered so many topics, it’s kinda of unsurprising. He’s seen as the progenitor of the sciences as they’re known today if I recall, guy dipped his toe in everything from rhetoric, logic to zoology.
Not a fan of the genre in general (other than Destiny mp) but SkillUp’s preview made me interested in trying it out, ngl. Could be a lot of fun given the sheer chaos of the map constantly changing. Plus it’s objective based rather than bloody battle royale,
@NEStalgia Don’t think it’s a weird take at all, can understand where he’s coming from. When they developed the games, they thought they were developing RPGs. Then they hear that actually, their RPGs are not treated like other RPGs, they’re treated like their own thing, JRPGs. But from their perspective, they didn’t see why it should be treated differently. Anyone who has ever felt otherised will understand, when you think you’re just taking part with everyone but then someone picks you out to feel different. There’s no ill intent behind it and I don’t think he’s suggesting that people were discriminating against them, he’s basically explaining how the term initially felt otherising to developers. Perfectly reasonable take if you get their perspective.
Thank god I wasn’t the only one. I watched it live and thought it was absolute dross but haven’t checked what the discourse was. For a second I thought I was becoming jaded, but glad everyone else thinks it’s *****.
All for a steady supply of horror games and giving smaller developers a platform. Might see some really interesting things come out of this. The movie record is spotty but they do have a couple of gems.
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Re: GTA 6 Team 'Seeking Perfection' with Long-Awaited PS5 Sequel
Thank the gods, I thought they were only aiming for an average game.
Re: Summer Game Fest Will Feature 3 or 4 'Pretty Big' Announcements, Says Geoff Keighley
One of them will be a 5 min promo featuring a random celebrity announcing their fruit juice.
Re: Poll: How Hyped Are You for the PlayStation Showcase?
Think people are setting themselves up for disappointment. I have low expectations so let’s see.
Re: Cyberpunk 2077: Phantom Liberty June Release Date Rumour Left Hanging by CDPR
More interested in what’s in the expansion. What systems from the base game will they finish? There’s a lot to fix in Cyberpunk, as good as the largely linear narrative is.
Re: Overwatch 2 Fans Can't Believe What Blizzard Has Done to PS5, PS4 Sequel's Promised Co-Op Mode
@nessisonett 100% agree. Part of the handful of companies deserving a reckoning of some sort, but unfortunately also one of the companies with legions of casuals who couldn’t care less about anything beyond a way to pass time gaming.
Re: Casting for HBO's The Last of Us Season 2 Grinds to a Halt as WGA Strike Continues
@wiiware Having a laugh if you think AI can write good scripts. It would need a lot of editing to be anywhere close. Also they’re not just striking because of AI, but streaming residuals and writer rooms.
Re: Battlefield Will Return in an Entirely New Way on PS5, EA Exec Has 'Extraordinary Confidence' in Team
They said similar things leading up to 2042. Don’t preorder.
Re: New Star Wars Jedi: Survivor Patch Is Out Now, Focuses on Bug Fixes
@Bartig Well as long as you’re not having problems, I guess people should just chill.
Re: Despite Being Bought by Sony, Bungie Increases Destiny 2's Season Pass Pricing
The cheek. Absolute scummy behaviour, how do they justify the fact you can’t actually buy the lower priced pass, you will have to buy extra silver you don’t even want? I jumped in to play Lightfall but once I’m done, think I’m dropping this. Bungee have a brilliant game at its core, mechanically, but some of the things they do reek of laziness and a lack of care for their community.
Re: Naughty Dog's Seminal Survival Horror The Last of Us Inducted into World Video Game Hall of Fame
Shouldn’t RE4 be there? And RE1 and perhaps Silent Hill. All those games had a huge impact on gaming. Quite a lot more for the list.
Re: Dragon Age Narrative Lead Claims BioWare 'Quietly Resented' Its Writers
@wiiware Utter drivel of a generalisation. Disco Elysium, Citizen Sleeper, God of War, Wrath of the Righteous, Divinity OS2, Pentiment, Tyranny etc etc. I could go on and on and list recent games with fantastic writing, but sure go ahead and blame Twitter because we have some that are written badly. There have always been badly written games and tv shows. We have more games with better writing now than ever. To act like now is a particularly bad time is absolute nonsense if you take some time and look at the field of play, be it in gaming or tv. This lazy cliche needs to stop being regurgitated.
Re: Preview: Street Fighter 6 PS5, PS4 Chucks the Kitchen Sink At Fans Who Complained About the Previous Game
Have to admit I had the same faults with SFV - really impressed but I just couldn’t stick with it. Sounds like I should give the demo a try.
Re: Cyberpunk 2077: Phantom Liberty Confirms Gameplay Blowout This Summer
Sounds like they’ve had time to actually finish the game this time. I hope they spruce up the mechanics and systems which were half baked at best at launch, loved the story though, as an action adventure game.
Re: Elden Ring's FromSoftware Wants to Release New and Exciting Games More Frequently
@Grimwood if you want to be that reductive, aren’t 80% of video games reaction tests? Maybe you should try gardening or something.
Re: Can You Put a Price on a Quality RPG? Yes, and It's Rising All the Time
@Korgon Owlcat is doing it right in my opinion. The Pathfinder games are huge and deep. A single playthrough could take 100hrs but they’re also highly replayable. Out of all the issues people sometimes have (more with Pathfinder 1, 2 is brilliant), not being cinematic wasn’t one of them. Agree with you. Pathfinder and Wasteland may not make Cyberpunk money though, which is where this focus in the dev space may also come from, the need to compete with Naughty Dog rather than being happy as an Owlcat or Larian.
Re: Can You Put a Price on a Quality RPG? Yes, and It's Rising All the Time
@Balosi Exactly. Decide what you want to make. What kinda winds me up is that CDPR did this to themselves. They’re the ones who wanted to make cinematic RPGs after hitting it big with Witcher 3. They wanted to follow that up because they had set themselves a standard, but really most RPG fans are having a blast playing WotR and it’s scaled back immensely. They don’t want to go back to basics because maybe they feel obligated to keep going now and went overboard with the Cyberpunk hype, but they don’t have to. I replayed the Shadowrun trilogy earlier this year and had an absolute blast. If they want to push the envelope, they shouldn’t complain that people expect them to push the envelope because that’s what they promised.
Re: Can You Put a Price on a Quality RPG? Yes, and It's Rising All the Time
Absolute nonsense. Pathfinder, Wasteland etc are doing fine. No RPG fans really care about cinematics, just good story, world and mechanics. You don’t have to compete with Naughty Dog, nobody is asking you to. He even references Disco Elysium but still says this.
Re: Kingdom Come: Deliverance Dev Warhorse Studios Mustering Creative Host for New Project
I need a sequel, can’t leave us in suspense like this for years. It stopped just when it was getting epic.
Re: The Lord of the Rings: Gollum Studio Clarifies 'Paywalled' Voice Acting DLC
@zupertramp If you’re fine with this, at what point will this not be ok? If COD made you pay extra for real gun sounds, would that also be ok? Only gun nuts would care right? What if all the characters were voiced by staff and they made you pay extra for real voice actors? Would that be ok? Should every game dev start charging extra for real voice actors, since only real people fans would care? We need to stop excusing this nonsense, look at where we are because of letting them get away with this.
Re: Next-Gen Shooter Neo Berlin 2087 Is Baffling PS5 Owners
Combat also looked decidedly mid.
Re: What the Puck?! NHL 23 PS5, PS4 Available Free with EA Play from 13th April
@RemembersGems What’s that supposed to mean?
Re: Sci-Fi Incarceration Sim Space Prison Locks Up PS5 Release
@KundaliniRising333 I’d actually check that out.
Re: Crusader Kings 3: Royal Court Expansion Graces Consoles on 17th May
Looking forward to a packaged deal on sale. Feels like it will take all my gaming time r get my head around it so waiting for a good gap in backlog. Always wanted to try this.
Re: The Late Lance Reddick Will Return in Destiny 2, Horizon Forbidden West
@slampog Probably too soon for that. It feels really wrong, as if you’re resurrecting a hollow version of them.The Congress isn’t here yet I reckon.
Re: The Caligula Effect: Overdose Makes PS5 Bid For Freedom on 30th May
Japan’s obsession with high schoolers is interesting. I think it’s a yearning for better days. Adulthood, with all the work and pressure that comes with it, just doesn’t seem as appealing as the freedom one envisaged in youth. Back then you could be anything, anything could happen, but as an adult you know that’s not the case. We’re on our train tracks but we wish we could still believe we could be on any. High schoolers are stem cells to the adult mindset.
Re: U.S. Senator Says Sony Has 'Monopoly' on High-End Japanese Game Market
Need to get money out of politics.
Re: Destiny Fans Come Together to Pay Tribute to Lance Reddick's Commander Zavala
He loved the game too. I think he had 1400 hrs in D2. If there ever was an actor who knew the community…
Re: Post-Apocalyptic Aussie CRPG Broken Roads Gets Gameplay Overview
Very very interested in this. We need to encourage more CRPGs.
Re: Suicide Squad's Divisive Aspects Will Not Change Due to PS5 Delay
Still can’t fathom why they thought this approach would be a good idea, beyond dollar signs.
Re: Techland Ditches the Zombies, Working on Open World Fantasy Epic Next
They hyped the story up for Dying Light 2 and it turned out crappola so not sure we can trust Techland.
Re: You Can Now Preload Diablo 4 Ahead of Imminent Early Access Open Beta
Anyone who hasn’t preordered, I believe you can also get access through an 02 priority promotion. Don’t have it myself, but might help someone.
Re: Remnant 2's Gunslinger Class Brings Devastating Firepower to Bear on PS5
Really looking forward to this, loved the first game as it was a total surprise playing it on Plus. Interesting they’re adding a few more layers to characters since the first game’s build diversity was pretty much reliant in the weapons themselves. This looks like there’ll be even more to it this time around.
Re: Hogwarts Legacy's PS5 Platinum Is a Pain in the Ass
The best trophies are those that, whilst some may be difficult, get you to fully explore the games systems and lore, not just waste your time. Sometimes you miss things on a normal playthrough, and trophies should try to cover those gaps and/or push you towards mastery of a system. I don’t bother platinum-ing anything that looks wasteful.
Re: Some PS5 Fans Think This New Firmware Feature Is a Potential Spoiler
Aristotle covered so many topics, it’s kinda of unsurprising. He’s seen as the progenitor of the sciences as they’re known today if I recall, guy dipped his toe in everything from rhetoric, logic to zoology.
Re: League of Legends Action RPG The Mageseeker Smashes onto PS5, PS4 in April
Love how they’re spreading the games across genres. Will defo check this out as they’re finally capitalising on the great universe they’ve created.
Re: Free-to-Play Shooter The Finals Is Blowing Up in PC Closed Beta Test, In Development for PS5
@pharos_haven I think that’s the best description I’ve heard of it, totally agree.
Re: Free-to-Play Shooter The Finals Is Blowing Up in PC Closed Beta Test, In Development for PS5
Not a fan of the genre in general (other than Destiny mp) but SkillUp’s preview made me interested in trying it out, ngl. Could be a lot of fun given the sheer chaos of the map constantly changing. Plus it’s objective based rather than bloody battle royale,
Re: Romancelvania Bares Its Fangs, Now Taking Suitors on PS5
Really like the visuals. Interesting, will keep an eye on reviews.
Re: Get Your Best Look Yet at Survival Horror Fishing Game Dredge on PS5, PS4
Quite interested in this. Looks a nice sub £20 pickup but let’s see reviews.
Re: 50 Cent Teases Something Vice City Related, 'I Will Explain This Later'
Tv show I’m guessing. Like CSI Miami but from the criminals’ perspective?
Re: Naoki Yoshida Is Not a Fan of the Term 'JRPG'
@NEStalgia Don’t think it’s a weird take at all, can understand where he’s coming from. When they developed the games, they thought they were developing RPGs. Then they hear that actually, their RPGs are not treated like other RPGs, they’re treated like their own thing, JRPGs. But from their perspective, they didn’t see why it should be treated differently. Anyone who has ever felt otherised will understand, when you think you’re just taking part with everyone but then someone picks you out to feel different. There’s no ill intent behind it and I don’t think he’s suggesting that people were discriminating against them, he’s basically explaining how the term initially felt otherising to developers. Perfectly reasonable take if you get their perspective.
Re: Gallery: The Outer Worlds PS5 Remaster Screenshots Show Much Improved Graphics
Bittersweet since we (ps5) will never see the sequel. Loved the game, gave me what I wanted from a Fallout game.
Re: The Response to Rocksteady's Suicide Squad Has Been Abysmal
Thank god I wasn’t the only one. I watched it live and thought it was absolute dross but haven’t checked what the discourse was. For a second I thought I was becoming jaded, but glad everyone else thinks it’s *****.
Re: Get Out, M3gan Production Company Blumhouse Announces Indie Horror Gaming Division
All for a steady supply of horror games and giving smaller developers a platform. Might see some really interesting things come out of this. The movie record is spotty but they do have a couple of gems.
Re: Delightful Indie Tchia Demonstrates Physics-Based Locomotion and Traversal
Looks like a lot of charm and fun.
Re: Strategy RPG Redemption Reapers Gets Emotive Final Trailer
Bit melodramatic, especially with the music, but still looking forward to see how this reviews. Definitely looks like one to play with Japanese audio.
Re: Fate Had Other Plans for Kratos in Earlier Draft of God of War Ragnarok
True, it would have been cliche at this point but I’d be interested in seeing a timeskipped Atreus searching for the giants
Re: Wild Hearts Welcomes You to the Tranquil Village of Minato, Your Hunting Hub
Really curious to see how this reviews. At the moment, it’s a try on sale but it looks great.
Re: PS5, PS4 Action RPG Eternights Returns, Targets Summer Release Date
Looks really cool. Surprised not more games have tried to emulate the Persona sim formula
Re: Scars Above Shaping Up to Be Out of This World in Gameplay Overview
Returnal meets Remnant From the Ashes. I’m totally in for this, let’s hope it reviews well.