@PSDeckSwitchOwner @Dodoo the majority of games look significantly better with PSSR, it just has a few issues at the moment with a small amount of games. The likes of The Last of Us 2, Spider-Man and Ratchet and Clank look way better with PSSR on. Even games which don't use it like HFW look significantly better on the PS5 Pro, so it's not all about PSSR.
Personally I'm very happy with it as every game i play with Pro enhancements looks and performs much better on the Pro and even some games which aren't patched like the RE2 and 3 remake, run significantly better.
Also it's important to remember that the console has only just come out, I'm sure as more games are developed with it in mind, as opposed to just getting a patch will have much better implementations and PSSR itself will also improve
I've not tried this but whoever is developing PSSR needs to have a word with Guerilla games and see if there's anything that they're doing with their own upscaling solution in HFW, that can help with the development of PSSR
Xbox look like they're pretty much finished as a major player in the console market and realistically, whether Switch passes PS2 worldwide or not, I doubt any future console will come close to either
"it’s worth remembering the muted critical reception and poor commercial performance of the likes of Marvel’s Avengers and Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League"
They were also full priced games and not free to play, as well as being more along the lines of single player style games with live service elements shoved in, as opposed to an arena based hero shooter
The big problem with Ubisoft was them making all of their open world games feel the same as one another, by sharing so many mechanics and structure between them. Which is a shame as they often have some good ideas but everything always seems to have to fit into some rigid formula which makes them boring frankly
I feel like Borderlands 2 was just a lightning in a bottle moment for the series and they've never got even remotely close to replicating it since. I played a ridiculous amount of Borderlands 2 but played only a few hours of 3 before I couldn't stand it anymore
This is a prime example of why I've stopped discussing modern games on certain platforms, its just not worth it anymore with so many idiots spouting nonsense.
All I care about is if a game is going to be enjoyable to play and so far I've not seen anywhere near enough to make a judgement on that. As this along with many other announcements show far too much cinematics and almost zero gameplay but I'll certainly be keeping an eye on it
This is why I really can't get excited for the majority of the "reveals" at this year's show. Far too many are just a cinematic vaguely related to a game that we won't see for years
"Gone are the days when a single developer could achieve anything like Square's legendary run; games are too big, too expensive, and take too long to make if they ever come out at all"
Also as someone else has pointed out above, RGG Studio don't seem to have any trouble releasing many games
Virtua Fighter for me, I've been a fan of the series for 30 years and Onimusha is another I'm excited for. Turok would have been close to the top but it being a 3rd person shooter spoiled it a bit and I need to see more of ND's game
Sonic Racing Transformed is easily as good as any Mario Kart and I'd love to see it ported to modern consoles or have a new entry in the same style. Still, I'll be keeping an eye on this one and perhaps the title does allude to it having more than just Sonic in it
At this point I buy these games, as much for the arcade games as I do the main game, I even imported Like A Dragon Gaiden so that I have Daytona USA 2 on disc
I do buy a lot of games digitally these days but that's usually when they're on sale, for new games I want at launch, I almost always buy them physically. I buy all my movies physically as there is no way I'm subscribing to multiple companies to be able to watch the films that I want to.
I do find it odd that so many almost celebrate an all digital future, as this will not benefit the consumer in any way, even if you don't buy physical
It's on at silly time in the morning here in the UK, so I'll be tucked up in bed. I'll just check out any interesting trailers in the morning when I get up, I couldn't care less about the awards
As I said on the voting page, the only reason FFVII is at the top of because it looks so bad on the base PS5. In terms of PS5 Pro games it's nowhere near the best implementation or best looking
GT7 is the star of the show for me, including its PSVR2 improvements and Horizon Forbidden West is probably the best looking console game, with the Pro making it look like a high end PC game
@AdamNovice £60, I wasn't even intending to buy one but there isn't a mark on it and looks like it's barely been used, so it seems like I'll now be collecting for the PS2 for the time being
So far I'd say Gran Turismo 7 and the Horizon games. GT7 with RT in races looks great and the difference it makes with PSVR2 is huge. As for the Horizon games, they basically just look like high end PC games.
A lot will vote FFVII but I do feel this is more to do with how poor it looks on the base console, as much as how it looks on the Pro and realistically, if you're only looking at Pro games, then FFVII still isn't amongst the best looking of them
This looks great but it's also really stupid that they're going to remove them.
That said, seeing and hearing the familiar PS1 startup has been a joy and I've settled on the PS2 for the menu. Now Sony just do the right thing and leave them in for people to use
@get2sammyb they could just make a subtle change to the UI where the background remains visible as does the sound, they could even call these themes and maybe have a bunch of them available
A bit of PSVR2 this weekend, so Crisis Brigade 2 which is basically if Time Crisis was a VR game, Kayak VR and Gran Turismo 7 and maybe a bit of Job/Vacation Simulator
Hello Games support for No Man's Sky is nothing short of extraordinary and many far larger developers/publishers could learn some valuable lessons from them.
Not only the numerous improvements to the game over the years and added content. They also got their PS5 Pro patch out early, have great support for all platforms and I even saw on Twitter they're looking at optimisations specifically for PSVR1 users playing on a PS5
I've jumped back into VR with the recent discount and am absolutely loving it again, it seems to be doing pretty well in this sale and I'm seeing a lot on Twitter about it.
Hopefully Sony use this as a springboard to help give it some momentum, especially as the Pro hugely benefits the few updated games I've played
@KundaliniRising333 it's entirely the devs fault, there are several games where PSSR looks great, if they see PSSR causing issues in their games, they don't have to use it, or give users the choice.
Every bad Pro implementation is 100% that developers fault
Sony have handled this situation terribly, it's mind blowing they didn't even have Pro's available for sale with a disc drive included, like they do with the base console
So the pattern continues, all those who did a good job also leave in the original options and those who did a bad job, remove them.
It's somewhat funny to me how Hello Games updated No Man's Sky for the Pro months ago and did a great job and others like this are seemingly scrambling around now to get patches out and doing a bad job of it
Well games like this and Palworld, which just blatantly steal from and piggyback on other IP, sadly seems to be the way to make a successful survival game now
I'd only buy one of it had its own library of games, i only really play games at home, so it being portable is nice if someone is on the TV but largely meaningless for me, I barely ever play my Switch handheld.
It's the same reason I haven't bought the Steamdeck. I think it looks like a great device but I genuinely don't know when I'd ever use it
@themightyant this may be true for console users as a whole but I'd imagine the vast majority of those buying a Pro and a 120hz VRR display are more than happy to change a few settings, as this is essentially the enthusiasts market.
That said, they could certainly trim the options down in GT7, as there's no real point in the non RT 60hz mode and there isn't any RT in 120 anyway, so the RT/performance toggle doesn't really need to exist
@Max_the_German I get what you're saying but I'd much rather the options be there, than being forced into whatever the developers want and it not being optimal like some other games have.
The only thing I would say here with GT7, is that it doesn't do a great job of explaining to the user what RT is active in the various configurations and that should be improved
It really is a fantastic update, especially in VR where it looks significantly better than before and is now very clear in motion. Then for the flat screen you can have great RT reflections or 4k 120fps. Overall my favourite update so far.
Speaking of PSVR2, the Pro benefits this hugely in the few games so far that have been updated for it
@UnlimitedSevens the only ones I've noticed that look better have been patched for PSVR2, so GT7 and Kayak VR look significantly better now. Kayak looks much sharper as it runs at a higher resolution and has higher quality textures/settings and GT7 now uses positional reprojection which eliminates all the ghosting on cars and buildings at high speeds, giving the game a much crisper look.
No Man's Sky by all accounts is big upgrade too but if a game hasn't been patched, I wouldn't expect to see any differences, unless it's framerate was poor before. Going forward though, it should be a big benefit to PSVR2 and even more so when PSSR is added to it
@kyleforrester87 yeah my TV was from around 2016 and I recently upgraded it to a new 144hz Samsung OLED and as much as I'm happy with the Pro, the TV was a bigger upgrade overall
I'm very happy with it, all the games I've played that are Pro Enhanced look quite a bit better than on the base PS5. TLOU2 is much sharper and runs above 60fps, Gran Turismo has some nice enhancements with RT reflections and a huge PSVR2 upgrade, Kayak VR is another which looks much better. Horizon Forbidden West was a blurry mess at 60fps at launch and whilst it was somewhat fixed, it's a night and day difference to the image quality on the Pro, then the Resident Evil 2 remake which isn't Pro enhanced but now runs a locked 60fps in its RT mode when before I found it unplayable.
So overall I'm very happy with the PS5 Pro and can only see it improving as time goes on
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Re: Alan Wake 2's Latest Update Tackles PS5 Pro Problems, Includes Toggle for PSSR
@PSDeckSwitchOwner @Dodoo the majority of games look significantly better with PSSR, it just has a few issues at the moment with a small amount of games. The likes of The Last of Us 2, Spider-Man and Ratchet and Clank look way better with PSSR on. Even games which don't use it like HFW look significantly better on the PS5 Pro, so it's not all about PSSR.
Personally I'm very happy with it as every game i play with Pro enhancements looks and performs much better on the Pro and even some games which aren't patched like the RE2 and 3 remake, run significantly better.
Also it's important to remember that the console has only just come out, I'm sure as more games are developed with it in mind, as opposed to just getting a patch will have much better implementations and PSSR itself will also improve
Re: Alan Wake 2's Latest Update Tackles PS5 Pro Problems, Includes Toggle for PSSR
I've not tried this but whoever is developing PSSR needs to have a word with Guerilla games and see if there's anything that they're doing with their own upscaling solution in HFW, that can help with the development of PSSR
Re: Nov 2024 USA Sales: PS2's Sales Toppled by Switch As College Football 25 Becomes the Best-Selling Sports Game Ever
Xbox look like they're pretty much finished as a major player in the console market and realistically, whether Switch passes PS2 worldwide or not, I doubt any future console will come close to either
Re: Marvel Rivals Is Truly Unstoppable As It Tops 20 Million Players
"it’s worth remembering the muted critical reception and poor commercial performance of the likes of Marvel’s Avengers and Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League"
They were also full priced games and not free to play, as well as being more along the lines of single player style games with live service elements shoved in, as opposed to an arena based hero shooter
Re: December's PS Plus Extra, Premium Games Are Available on PS5, PS4 Now
Well I was going to play the Star Wars PSVR2 game but it's not available through PS Plus
Re: Rumour: The Far Cry Series May Finally Be Switching Things Up in Next Two Games
The big problem with Ubisoft was them making all of their open world games feel the same as one another, by sharing so many mechanics and structure between them. Which is a shame as they often have some good ideas but everything always seems to have to fit into some rigid formula which makes them boring frankly
Re: Borderlands 4 Promises Not to Be Aggressively Unfunny
I feel like Borderlands 2 was just a lightning in a bottle moment for the series and they've never got even remotely close to replicating it since. I played a ridiculous amount of Borderlands 2 but played only a few hours of 3 before I couldn't stand it anymore
Re: Naughty Dog Turns Off Intergalactic PS5 Trailer's Comments As Discourse Turns Nasty
This is a prime example of why I've stopped discussing modern games on certain platforms, its just not worth it anymore with so many idiots spouting nonsense.
All I care about is if a game is going to be enjoyable to play and so far I've not seen anywhere near enough to make a judgement on that. As this along with many other announcements show far too much cinematics and almost zero gameplay but I'll certainly be keeping an eye on it
Re: PS Plus Members Get Early Access to Select PS5, PS4 Games in PS Store's January Sale
@Pondo320 the whole campaign of Hitman World of Assaination, which is basically the recent Hitman1-3
Re: PS Plus Members Get Early Access to Select PS5, PS4 Games in PS Store's January Sale
Nothing for me here but I did just pickup Hitman in the current sale in preparation for it's PSVR2 mode next year
Re: Star Wars: Eclipse, Wonder Woman Comprised of 'Literally Nothing' When Revealed
This is why I really can't get excited for the majority of the "reveals" at this year's show. Far too many are just a cinematic vaguely related to a game that we won't see for years
"Gone are the days when a single developer could achieve anything like Square's legendary run; games are too big, too expensive, and take too long to make if they ever come out at all"
Also as someone else has pointed out above, RGG Studio don't seem to have any trouble releasing many games
Re: Poll: Vote for Your PS5 Game of the Year 2024
My top 5
Like A Dragon Infinite Wealth
Sonic X Shadow Generations
Astro Bot
Tekken 8
Final Fantasy VII Rebirth
Re: Talking Point: What Was the Best Game Announcement at The Game Awards 2024?
Virtua Fighter for me, I've been a fan of the series for 30 years and Onimusha is another I'm excited for. Turok would have been close to the top but it being a 3rd person shooter spoiled it a bit and I need to see more of ND's game
Re: Yakuza Maker Is Bringing Back SEGA's Legendary Virtua Fighter Franchise
Virtua Fighter has always been my favourite 3D fighting series, so I'm more than ready for a new entry
Re: SEGA's Not Telling Us Much About Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds for PS5, PS4
Sonic Racing Transformed is easily as good as any Mario Kart and I'd love to see it ported to modern consoles or have a new entry in the same style. Still, I'll be keeping an eye on this one and perhaps the title does allude to it having more than just Sonic in it
Re: Like a Dragon: Pirate Yakuza in Hawaii Has a Smorgasbord of Silly Side Activities
At this point I buy these games, as much for the arcade games as I do the main game, I even imported Like A Dragon Gaiden so that I have Daytona USA 2 on disc
Re: Physical Media Just Can't Catch a Break Right Now
I do buy a lot of games digitally these days but that's usually when they're on sale, for new games I want at launch, I almost always buy them physically. I buy all my movies physically as there is no way I'm subscribing to multiple companies to be able to watch the films that I want to.
I do find it odd that so many almost celebrate an all digital future, as this will not benefit the consumer in any way, even if you don't buy physical
Re: Poll: Will You Be Watching The Game Awards 2024?
It's on at silly time in the morning here in the UK, so I'll be tucked up in bed. I'll just check out any interesting trailers in the morning when I get up, I couldn't care less about the awards
Re: 12 New PS Plus Extra, Premium Games Arrive Next Week
Ooh I'll definitely be giving the Star Wars PSVR2 game a go
Re: Astro Bot Gains Free Festive DLC Level on PS5, New Special Bots to Collect
This looks brilliant, I'm looking forward to messing about in this level
Re: Feature: The 10 Best Games on PS5 Pro, as Voted By You
As I said on the voting page, the only reason FFVII is at the top of because it looks so bad on the base PS5. In terms of PS5 Pro games it's nowhere near the best implementation or best looking
GT7 is the star of the show for me, including its PSVR2 improvements and Horizon Forbidden West is probably the best looking console game, with the Pro making it look like a high end PC game
Re: Mini Review: Mighty Morphin Power Rangers: Rita's Rewind (PS5) - A Short But Sweet Nostalgia Trip
Looks right up my street, especially with limited continues as this style of games benefits from limited lives. A definite purchase for me
Re: Croc: Legend of the Gobbos Remaster Hit with Last-Minute Delay into 2025 on PS5, PS4
@AdamNovice £60, I wasn't even intending to buy one but there isn't a mark on it and looks like it's barely been used, so it seems like I'll now be collecting for the PS2 for the time being
Re: Croc: Legend of the Gobbos Remaster Hit with Last-Minute Delay into 2025 on PS5, PS4
Well what a croc
Seen as I picked up this little beauty today, I may just go get the original Croc until the remake comes out
Re: Poll: What Are the Most Impressive Games You've Played on PS5 Pro?
So far I'd say Gran Turismo 7 and the Horizon games. GT7 with RT in races looks great and the difference it makes with PSVR2 is huge. As for the Horizon games, they basically just look like high end PC games.
A lot will vote FFVII but I do feel this is more to do with how poor it looks on the base console, as much as how it looks on the Pro and realistically, if you're only looking at Pro games, then FFVII still isn't amongst the best looking of them
Re: Insiders Are Already Hyping Up The Game Awards, Set to Be a 'Very Big' Show
Cool, I'll check out some trailers after the show has been on
Re: GTA 6: Everything We Know So Far
Other things we know.
Despite being called GTAVI, it isn't actually the 6th GTA game
And we're going to see this article bumped and Rockstar fanboys bleat about it at least once a week until it comes out.
Me, I'm off to go play all the other games out now and ignore GTA's existence until we get some interesting news about it, or it's come out
Re: Sony Brings Back Iconic PS1 Startup Screen on PS5, But Only for a Limited Time
This looks great but it's also really stupid that they're going to remove them.
That said, seeing and hearing the familiar PS1 startup has been a joy and I've settled on the PS2 for the menu. Now Sony just do the right thing and leave them in for people to use
Re: PS5 Home Screen Customisable with PS1, PS2, PS3, and PS4 Themes for the 30th Anniversary
@get2sammyb they could just make a subtle change to the UI where the background remains visible as does the sound, they could even call these themes and maybe have a bunch of them available
Re: PS5 Home Screen Customisable with PS1, PS2, PS3, and PS4 Themes for the 30th Anniversary
Why remove them after a limited time? I swear companies today just like to make dumb decisions to annoy people on purpose
Re: No Man's Sky Is Bringing Back Limited-Time Expeditions Over Next Two Months
@Jayofmaya they have, this is specifically about memory optimisations for larger builds and older save files
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 557
A bit of PSVR2 this weekend, so Crisis Brigade 2 which is basically if Time Crisis was a VR game, Kayak VR and Gran Turismo 7 and maybe a bit of Job/Vacation Simulator
Re: No Man's Sky Is Bringing Back Limited-Time Expeditions Over Next Two Months
Hello Games support for No Man's Sky is nothing short of extraordinary and many far larger developers/publishers could learn some valuable lessons from them.
Not only the numerous improvements to the game over the years and added content. They also got their PS5 Pro patch out early, have great support for all platforms and I even saw on Twitter they're looking at optimisations specifically for PSVR1 users playing on a PS5
Re: Shocking: Sony Promotes PSVR2 with New Trailer Showcasing Upcoming Games
I've jumped back into VR with the recent discount and am absolutely loving it again, it seems to be doing pretty well in this sale and I'm seeing a lot on Twitter about it.
Hopefully Sony use this as a springboard to help give it some momentum, especially as the Pro hugely benefits the few updated games I've played
Re: PS5 Disc Drive Stock Still a Source of Intense Irritation for Many
@themightyant good advice. I'm just glad that I bought the disc drive before the Pro preorders went up
Re: Fans Frustrated with Avatar's Disappointing PS5 Pro Patch
@KundaliniRising333 it's entirely the devs fault, there are several games where PSSR looks great, if they see PSSR causing issues in their games, they don't have to use it, or give users the choice.
Every bad Pro implementation is 100% that developers fault
Re: PS5 Disc Drive Stock Still a Source of Intense Irritation for Many
Sony have handled this situation terribly, it's mind blowing they didn't even have Pro's available for sale with a disc drive included, like they do with the base console
Re: Fans Frustrated with Avatar's Disappointing PS5 Pro Patch
So the pattern continues, all those who did a good job also leave in the original options and those who did a bad job, remove them.
It's somewhat funny to me how Hello Games updated No Man's Sky for the Pro months ago and did a great job and others like this are seemingly scrambling around now to get patches out and doing a bad job of it
Re: Rumour: Forza Horizon 5 Is Ready to Roll on PS5, But Release Has Been Delayed
It's a really fun game, just not as good as FH4 and I probably wouldn't play it again
Re: This Horizon Rip-Off Has to Be One of the Most Blatant Copycat Games Ever
Well games like this and Palworld, which just blatantly steal from and piggyback on other IP, sadly seems to be the way to make a successful survival game now
Re: PS5 Fans Willing to Pay a Pretty Penny for a Steam Deck-Like Portable PlayStation
I'd only buy one of it had its own library of games, i only really play games at home, so it being portable is nice if someone is on the TV but largely meaningless for me, I barely ever play my Switch handheld.
It's the same reason I haven't bought the Steamdeck. I think it looks like a great device but I genuinely don't know when I'd ever use it
Re: Gran Turismo 7 Lauded as 'One of the Best PS5 Pro' Games Yet
@themightyant this may be true for console users as a whole but I'd imagine the vast majority of those buying a Pro and a 120hz VRR display are more than happy to change a few settings, as this is essentially the enthusiasts market.
That said, they could certainly trim the options down in GT7, as there's no real point in the non RT 60hz mode and there isn't any RT in 120 anyway, so the RT/performance toggle doesn't really need to exist
Re: Gran Turismo 7 Lauded as 'One of the Best PS5 Pro' Games Yet
@Max_the_German I get what you're saying but I'd much rather the options be there, than being forced into whatever the developers want and it not being optimal like some other games have.
The only thing I would say here with GT7, is that it doesn't do a great job of explaining to the user what RT is active in the various configurations and that should be improved
Re: Gran Turismo 7 Lauded as 'One of the Best PS5 Pro' Games Yet
It really is a fantastic update, especially in VR where it looks significantly better than before and is now very clear in motion. Then for the flat screen you can have great RT reflections or 4k 120fps. Overall my favourite update so far.
Speaking of PSVR2, the Pro benefits this hugely in the few games so far that have been updated for it
Re: Talking Point: What Do You Think of the PS5 Pro, Three Weeks Later?
@UnlimitedSevens the only ones I've noticed that look better have been patched for PSVR2, so GT7 and Kayak VR look significantly better now. Kayak looks much sharper as it runs at a higher resolution and has higher quality textures/settings and GT7 now uses positional reprojection which eliminates all the ghosting on cars and buildings at high speeds, giving the game a much crisper look.
No Man's Sky by all accounts is big upgrade too but if a game hasn't been patched, I wouldn't expect to see any differences, unless it's framerate was poor before. Going forward though, it should be a big benefit to PSVR2 and even more so when PSSR is added to it
Re: One Month Later, PS Stars Cash Rewards Finally Return
Redeemed mine before it vanishes again
Re: 30 Years of PlayStation History Documented on New Anniversary Website
It's kinda funny how they've erased the awful US Ico box art and have a section with the header
"Some of the all-time greats of gaming were born on PS2 and are still lighting up your consoles today"
All whilst showing Twisted Metal and Resident Evil 4.
Overall it's a cool little page though
Re: Talking Point: What Do You Think of the PS5 Pro, Three Weeks Later?
@kyleforrester87 yeah my TV was from around 2016 and I recently upgraded it to a new 144hz Samsung OLED and as much as I'm happy with the Pro, the TV was a bigger upgrade overall
Re: Talking Point: What Do You Think of the PS5 Pro, Three Weeks Later?
@Medic_alert the Resident Evil Remakes are a good improvement on Pro, RE2 for example now locks to 60fps in its RT mode or 120 out of it
Re: Talking Point: What Do You Think of the PS5 Pro, Three Weeks Later?
I'm very happy with it, all the games I've played that are Pro Enhanced look quite a bit better than on the base PS5. TLOU2 is much sharper and runs above 60fps, Gran Turismo has some nice enhancements with RT reflections and a huge PSVR2 upgrade, Kayak VR is another which looks much better. Horizon Forbidden West was a blurry mess at 60fps at launch and whilst it was somewhat fixed, it's a night and day difference to the image quality on the Pro, then the Resident Evil 2 remake which isn't Pro enhanced but now runs a locked 60fps in its RT mode when before I found it unplayable.
So overall I'm very happy with the PS5 Pro and can only see it improving as time goes on