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Good job I was already planning on going to bed instead of watching it

@NEStalgia 🤔🤔🤔, no it isn't 😆

Why are they not doing side panels for existing owners? Why bother designing the console where they can be swapped out but only sell these as a limited edition console?

I might get a controller but given the whole point of the PS5 design was removable covers, why aren't we getting those to buy for existing owners?

@LifeGirl well the studio itself is 6 years old, but even if we assume all 150 staff have been there for 8 years working on this and an average wage of 50K a year, that comes to 60 million. Still leaving us 340 million to account for

@get2sammyb perhaps, in any case it's been a monumental catastrophe for Playstation

I mean, the studio employs 150 people, so unless they pay them all 500K a year then I'm not sure what they spent the money on 😂

Also Sony didn't even buy them until last year so where did this independent studio get all the money from in the first place?

The acquisition was undisclosed, so if it cost $300 million and then the game cost $100 million to develop, then you could say it cost Sony $400 million but I highly doubt the game itself cost that

"One other tidbit worth noting is that an enormous 75% of the games sold in the UK this August were purchased digitally"

It's also a very quiet time for new releases, it's no secret that people pick up cheap games in sales digitally. The data that is relevant is what are the sales splits of games in and around release

When the day comes where the Playstation store is the only option to buy your games, that won't be a good time for gamers

@MUG3NHC it's a new game and reusing locations and assests is a good thing that should be normalised

Now this is the kind of game I can get excited for.

In a world where AAA devs are taking many years to get games out as they push towards realistic graphics, thank God for RGG Studio who ignore such nonsense and keep putting out bangers on a regular basis

There's no chance I ever buy another Xbox, all of their games are on PC now so what's the point. That said if the next Playstation is around the price of the Pro and doesn't have a disc drive, then I'm done with them as well

It's just getting silly at this point, I understand Nintendo as those games don't run on Switch, though the pricing is utterly ridiculous. For Sony though I think it's just a huge waste of time as every single one already runs at 60fps and usually 4K on the PS5.

If they're going to remaster games then why not the likes of Infamous, Resistance, that Uncharted game on Vita, Jak & Daxter? Something like that, not games that already look and play great as they are

These do look great and the boxes are fantastic, just a shame the Pro is so limited for no reason.

I might grab one of the controllers

@Porco yeah in the UK it's £310 more expensive than it's digital equivalent and a 79% price increase, the PS4 Pro was just £100 more or a 40% price increase

@TheFakulty ahh right, fair enough. I've not had the chance to check that out yet and if that's the case, then Mark Cerny was misrepresenting what we were being shown on screen

@TheFakulty In the reveal they showed The Last of Us, Spider-Man 2 and Ratchet & Clank at fidelity settings running at 60fps (well Cerny said almost fidelity settings) but it was certainly higher settings than performance mode as well as a higher resolution.

But people do need to keep their expectations in check as the new GPU isn't that much more powerful, only something like a 45% uplift (PS4 Pro was more than double PS4), with PSSR doing much of the heavy lifting

Overall they didn't do a great job in showing off what it can do

@TheFakulty as Sammy said, the point of the Pro is to have the quality mode settings of games running at 60fps instead of 30

This will likely be one of the biggest upgrades but that's as much because of the dreadful upscaling Square implemented in the first place, as much as the extra power of the pro. FFVII Rebirth has some of the worst image quality I've seen, along with the launch version of Horizon Forbidden West

I've seen a few online having issues with the disc drive (for the slim) not functioning after the update

I run this at max RT settings on my PC and it looks stunning and whilst that is beyond what the Pro will be capable of, it should at least get the RT reflections which can look amazing in this

@LifeGirl yeah but every other console on that list came with its disc drive included

Yours for just £900 (disc drive sold separately)

I couldn't care less about metacritic, if it wasn't for Twitter, I'd never hear about what scores games get and it has no bearing on my game purchases.

These days, I already know what games I'm going to play long before they come out as I know what I'm likely to enjoy. Sure I'll check out the odd review for games I'm unfamiliar with but it's the written part that is important to me, not the number at the end and the less said about the user scores on there, the better

Well it's perfect for me as my PS plus runs out in just over a week, so I should have time to play The Plucky Squire before it's done

@mariomaster96 so intuitive that we had guides on here for how to upgrade many games 😂

Yeah its incredibly difficult to setup a PC 🙄

Mine is hooked up to a monitor and my living room TV and it's very easy for me to play games on either and things like Steam are very simple to use and I'd argue better than any console store

Sure consoles are largely plug and play but even they aren't quite as simple as they used to be. I remember having lots of issues with PS5 and having to work out how to upgrade games and it constantly trying to install PS4 versions of games I had the disc for, plus there's that nonsense "other" which eats up your hard drive space. Oh and the fiasco of not being able to buy games on sale because you have PS Plus.

These days I play more on PC amd have no more issues than I do on console all whilst benefiting from an enormous amount of games that aren't available on consoles

I finished up the Astro Bot platinum earlier this week so now I'm on Persona 5 Royal. I did play through the original version back when it came out, so I'm excited to see what additions have been made

9/10, a fantastic game that for me ditches it's best ideas too quickly, (I'm looking at you mouse power up) and isn't quite up there with a certain plumber.

That said, it's the best game I've played this year and the most fun I've had on PS5, with some outstanding levels and great use of other IP.

More of these please

For £600 with a disc drive I'd have been interested but £800 is completely out of the question

@Sergo the issue isn't so much just this PS5 Pro but as much what comes afterwards, you'd have to imagine the PS5 successor costs even more than the Pro does and likely won't use physical media as standard. Leaving consumers locked into whatever Sony wants to charge for games as they don't even sell digital codes outside of their store anymore

It's nearly double the price of its current equivalent model whilst using the same CPU, RAM, has a slightly bigger GPU (only marginally bigger than Series X's by the way) and some form of AI chip, oh and a bigger SSD.

Should it cost more than the standard PS5, of course but nearly double? Come off it

But on the slight chance they are correct, then the console market is finished as the masses will not pay this much going forward

@REALAIS @Enigk exactly, everyone trying to compare it to the disc PS5 to make it seem not as bad as it actually is, but in reality it's the digital PS5 that it should be compared to and it's a huge price increase over that

Well these analysts are outright lying for a start

"The price point differential between the PS5 and PS5 Pro is between 40-50%"

This doesn't have a disc drive, so it's comparable to the $400 PS5 digital and it's a 75% increase in price over that

The whole point of console gaming is that it's meant to be the cheaper option but at this price point I really fear for the future. How much will a PS6 be? Will it even have a disc drive?

I have a high end PC and a lot of the time the games don't look much different on that. We've long since passed the point of diminishing returns, with huge jumps in GPU power needed for relatively minor visual gains.

The most fun I've had with a new game this year is Astro Bot and the Pro will in no way make that game any better.

Had it been around £600 with a disc drive, I could understand but basically £800, as @ShogunRok says, they're taking the piss

Just hope you don't have them on disc

Yeah just £800 in total

It cost me that for my PS5 with a disc drive and my Switch OLED

You're joking right?

Still has fairly mediocre RT capabilities and best case scenario is just having fidelity modes at 60fps, all for EIGHT HUNDRED POUNDS if you want a disc drive (vertical stand sold separately)

What an absolute joke, a hugely underwhelming presentation even though I suspected it's improvements would be fairly modest, but that price is laughable and it doesn't even have a disc drive.

So just the £800 to play physical games and watch blu-ray's 😂😂😂

I think it'll be in success in terms of it's budget and expectations but it was never going to sell huge, especially on PlayStation where many sadly don't appreciate these kinds of games.

Personally I loved it

I'm a big fan of Final Fantasy VIII, I thought it was a big improvement over VII at the time. I enjoyed the junction system, the characters and triple triad was very addictive and if I replay any of those PS1 classics then it is this one

Imagine spending over £100 on this for 3 days early access, only to first have your save file wiped and now for certain game mechanics to be redesigned at a later date

You've got to be a mug to buy these big AAA games day one (day 4) these days

Just standard Square Enix nonsense I'm afraid

It was the variety of games (from everyone and Sony) that brought me into playing PlayStation with the PS1 between the likes of Ridge racer, Tekken, Crash, MediEvil, Metal Gear Solid, Gran Turismo, Ape Escape, Resident Evil and many more. Astro Bot is a wonderful game that is a joyous celebration of PlayStation's history and gaming in general with nods to others such as Nintendo.

More like this please

Mine got delivered today and I've got to agree, the controller is gorgeous

I've already got this installed and just waiting for tomorrow. This is the first PS exclusive I've been excited to play for a couple of years as I absolutely loved the PSVR game and the free PS5 game.

This is the kind of game that reminds me why I have this hobby and whilst I've had to rely on Nintendo for such a long time for these kinds of games, it's great to see Sony with Ratchet and Clank and now this

I think in general we are just heading towards people spending less and less on new games, sure there will still be outliers but it seems to be a common theme now of big releases not hitting sales targets alongside some huge flops.

These days where are more options to play, whether that be subscriptions or simply waiting for the inevitable sales and we've all likely now got huge libraries of games that we can simply go back to, all whilst new games themselves haven't really evolved since the late PS3 generation

Sadly this was inevitable after that launch, this morning it was barely in the top 300 on the PSN store. Now all that remains to be seen is whether it's given another go as f2p or be scrapped altogether.

At least the refund bill will be relatively cheap

What do you want them to say? Nobody bought it and nobody is playing it, there's no point discussing any road map as it'll never happen. At this point I suspect they'll already be looking for jobs if they have any sense

The industry is f****d

The live service market is already at saturation point, those who play them already have their chosen game and the rest of us have no interest in them. And unlike single player games, these are all competing for something we all have a limited amount of, time