OldGamer999

@Rich33
I think the below sums up gaming in 2024 with not enough new releases or very good quality ones and all these remakes and cost of products.

The shocking bit for me is the 2019 bit, which is understandable the year before PS5 and series consoles released and at end of life.

Overall, spending on consoles was down 44% from the same time in 2023, reaching its lowest point since 2019 (the year before the current generation began).

@Rich33
HZD looks a great remaster for PS5 and a good deal for the £10 upgrade.
But I’ve played completed and DLC.
The game remaster unfortunately means nothing to me in terms of playing it.
Amazing game and why I have PlayStation but I know every inch of the game and have no reason to return.

@Mr_B021
Totally agree I have my PS5 and other consoles mainly for their own in house new AAA campaign type games.
Seems I’m getting the remake/ remaster let down the more this generation goes on.
Waste of resource to me, even if it is done out of house as the main studio would still help a bit and also the contractor could also be working on something new for them instead.

The only thing that helps is owning all three consoles.
So it’s Xbox turn for the rest of the year with COD, Stalker 2 and Indy.

@ThriIIho
I’m hoping those days will return but I’m a bit sceptical really.
Even when you look at USA sales released today of course PS5 is top, but when you look across compared to same time last year individually for all consoles they are all down a far good amount.

@Rich33
The PS5 first two years were great for me GOWR, HFW, Sack boy and a couple more.
It got quiet for me last year as not really into spider man but did the HFW burning shores.
And apart from Astro Bot this year even worse for me. I really do have a PS5 for their in house top quality AAA games. Next year I would bet we only get Ghost 2 and maybe some dlc for something maybe Astro Bot.

I loved the PS4 days, also with the events showing games at least 1 or even 2 years in advance remember the UC4, GOWR reveals etc
So much joy and passion in the industry thats seems deflated nowadays and not just Sony by the way.

I still GPU so I’m still COD, Stalker 2 and Indy so I’m pleased about that, then Avowed Feb 2025.

Then just wait and see what Sony might do as well as Ghost 2, then maybe consider a Pro when I in my own humble opinion we might see what it can really do.

@PsBoxSwitchOwner
I maybe wrong but I’m sure in the PS4 days there was more released by Sony Studios.
Or perhaps it just seemed like it.

It’s strange now that I will playing.
3 Xbox games for the rest of the year.
COD Xbox studio.
Stalker 2 not Xbox studio.
Indy Xbox studio.

I’m sure in the PS4 days it was all Sony studio games released that I was playing.

Looks great definitely worth £10 upgrade.

But what’s the ducking point already completed it and the great DLC.

Something new please Sony, are we down to one new full big AAA game from Sony studios per year.
Because that is where we are heading folks.

Wow it gets harsher and harsher in the gaming business. I mean it is not like they made a bad game it was very good.

@Digit2021
Yes the Alan Wake 30fps RT footage was what made the biggest difference and looked really good and better than the 60fps PS5 Pro upgrade comparison.

The big but it’s only RT at 30fps.
This generation is a total technology duck up, with so many developers chasing so many different things and tricks and smoke and mirrors.

And Sony being smart have thought I know let’s release £700 console to sort of help some of this mess out and get our fans to pay for it.

@Rich33
I did mine own FF VII rebirth tests.
I stood still including in the DF photo and in different areas.
And switched from 30fps which is about native 4K and 60fps which is upscaled from 1080p.

And with my TV doing its thing I could hardly tell the difference apart from a slightly sharper picture being honest.

Now either I’m doing it all wrong or my Sony top end TV 65” correct viewing distance for 4K is upscaling that 1080p that is already upscaled and making nearly as good as the 30fps native 4K image.

I got no blur image like DF did and I would love to got to the DF studio and see how they got this blurred images.
Was they using a standard Monitor that has no upscaling of its own.
Was they moving around to create a blur.

If I could get an amazing difference with my little silly test then I would say so and be more excited for the PS5 Pro.

I think we have already been upscaling from 1440p to 4K, using either FSR or checker board rendering. On PC DLSS as well.

This is not a miracle it’s a slightly better upscaler than what we have now and Sonys own one called PSSR.
Anyone would think this is new and a miracle , it’s been going for years.

I’m currently playing dead space remake, at 60fps it’s about 1080p upscales to 4K using EA frostbite engine. This is nothing that new.

Even your top end TVs have great upscalers in them. I know my Sony X95L does to the point you can hardly tell the difference in most circumstances in most games.

@IOI
Totally agree, it has spoilt the PS5 generation games wise, especially big AAA campaign type games.

@KingPev
Once you download the main launcher
You can then just pick and choose now what you want to download.
So for me it’s just the campaign at 55GB.
So I don’t have to download warzone or muliplayer if I don’t want to play them.
So you save using memory space up.

Being honest have not played COD campaign for years sort of just stopped.
But of course because of GPU, playing through the MW3 campaign, it seems ok to me.
And will play BO6 campaign and some zombies.

It’s probably because I haven’t played COD for years that it’s sort of something new to me again.

Well there you have it the quality mode with RT did look really good.
The big but it’s only at 30fps, what’s the point of a £700 cost of a machine that can’t do the 60fps improvements with RT, which is the biggest looking improvement.

I only play games at 60fps, any game at 30fps does not get purchased as simple as that.
The Pro for depends only on the 60fps modes improvements as 30fps sucks on any console PS5 Or Series X.

I’m still not totally convinced I will see much improvement at 60fps, it’s still lower than 4K and upscaled like games already are nowadays with DLSS and more so FSR used on PS5 and Series X.

It’s really down to the extra power being used for more level of detail and stuff etc and really how much better it actually is.

Surprised they are bothering with physical with the article at the weekend about the % of digital to physical sales.
It’s hardly worth the manufacturing set up and costs nowadays.

@DennisReynolds
Well I’m not total convinced by the whole thing Pro wise.
You can see games at native 4K now just at 30fps.
Pro is just taking say the 60fps 1440p image and PSSR upscaling.

Some TV top end are really good, but then again if TVs or that feature are just a con, including Sony TVs then so could the PS5 Pro.

I’m just totally not convinced right now.
Also there is screen size and tv watching distance that all come into play with what your eye actually sees in the picture. That’s well known and includes 4K movie viewing distances etc.

@Andy22385
So did I on the DF video but not on my TV when I did my own little test with FF VII Rebirth on my PS5.
I’m sure the Pro will do a better job than my Sony TV at upscaling then there is other benefits which will show more when Sony release a new big AAA that can take better advantage of the Pro.

@GamerGuy1970
You enjoy and I’m sure you will especially on the e A95L, I’m think of getting one but will wait until Black Friday.

I have the new Sony sound Bravia sound bar, with sub woofer and rear speakers, sound amazing for a sound bar. Sony are really hitting it home with these products.
So you can see I’m a big Sony fan, so not dishing the Pro, but it’s setting itself up or the media are.
Yes when Sony release a new big AAA then I think you will see the Pro at its best then.

@GamerGuy1970
You have an amazing TV OLED as where mine is mini LED. Not that it makes an upscaling difference.
Try my simple real world test if you want.
Yes you can notice a difference but only a tiny bit sharper.
These Sony TVs are well known to upscale and with motion the best in the world.

@Andy22385
See my message below.
And what TV were DF using probably a none upscaling monitor that does not upscaling itself like top end TVs do, especially Sony TVs like mine.

I did my own little weird test as I was on the fence about buying a PS5 Pro.
Summary.
Took Final Fantasy VII rebirth. PS5.
Stood still in lots of testing locations.
30fps at native 4K
60fps at 1080p

I could hardly tell the difference apart from a bit more sharper, I even got the same spot as DF did.

Anyway I asked a few techs on here and the reason.
My TV a Sony x95l 65” of course has its own upscaling chips and system like most top end TVS and it’s doing an amazing job of being a PS5 Pro from an upscaling point of view.
Ok the techs on here said it will probably upscale a little bit better on the PS5 Pro but essentially the TV is upscaling to make 1080p look 4K to fit all the pixels on the 4K TV screen.
And we know who is the best at that and motion Sony TVS. It’s a big part of what Sony advertise about with their top TVs

So for know I’m not getting a PS5 Pro until I see far better results and it put to more use graphically.

I would not expect to much if you have a top end TV that is scaling things up amazingly as it is.

@Titntin
I sort of get it now thank you.
I know I’m sort of living in last generation
When the Xbox one x just beefed most games to 4k native say like far cry 4.

I guess it’s all these over things like ray tracing, extra LOD etc taking all the consoles power away resulting having to use a lower resolution especially at 60fps.
So to give the power back to the console they use upscaling like DLSS FSR and now PSSR.

I really do think though with better optimised games it would resolve some issues on current consoles.
I also really think this is not a big deal and clever as Sony are they jumping on this creating their own upscaling tech and pushing in a Pro console, don’t get me wrong smart PR as always with Sony.

I also think we should just have 60fps only and no 30fps at all. Keep it simple.

@Mikey856
It’s good to be adult, well sometimes 🤣🤣

@Mikey856
I guess different chaps like different things and the way we are 😊
I used like collections in the very old sort of Neo-Geo days.
But once music went digital then video it all sort of followed me with gaming, thinking this is slick and convenient.

The age thing comes from so many on here objecting, I thought they all can’t be old like us, so a lot of young ones must be objecting to digital as well. 🤣

@Titntin
I gonna get technical again 🤣
The PS5 Pro going on DF etc has equivalent of a 4080 graphics card.
I think that means more tflops And stuff etc.
The focus so far has been on upscaling and PSSR
but if the PS5 Pro is more powerful with this graphics card. Instead of say a game on the PS5 at 60fps being native 1440p can’t we just have it at 1800p on the pro no upscaling etc.
Why do we need to take the 1440p on PS5 and upscale to native 4K, surely this extra PS5 Pro power can just make the game 1800p native.
Why is everything using the PS5 Pro as just an upscaling device.
Surely it’s best to use the power to get the base resolution as high as possible first.
I mean the PS5 runs HFW burning shores at 1800p checkerboard scaled to 4K at 60fps and that game has some serious graphics and stuff going on.
Sorry so many questions.

@OldGamer999
I gonna get technical again 🤣
The PS5 Pro going on DF etc has equivalent of a 4080 graphics card.
I think that means more tflops And stuff etc.

The focus so far has been on upscaling and PSSR
but if the PS5 Pro is more powerful with this graphics card. Instead of say a game on the PS5 at 60fps being native 1440p can’t we just have it at 1800p on the pro no upscaling etc.

Why do we need to take the 1440p on PS5 and upscale to native 4K, surely this extra PS5 Pro power can just make the game 1800p native.

Why is everything using the PS5 Pro as just an upscaling device.
Surely it’s best to use the power to get the base resolution as high as possible first.

I mean the PS5 runs HFW burning shores at 1800p checkerboard scaled to 4K at 60fps and that game has some serious graphics and stuff going on.

Sorry so many questions.

@Mikey856
Wow I’m all digital but never realised the digital market had that high percentages of game sales.
There you go, it’s happening quicker than I ever thought it would, the all digital age.
A digital life I have been living for at least 5 years now is brilliant I love it.
Films, music and games. No physical stuff hanging around taking up space. No swapping physical items in and out to play.
In the car it’s great all my music on a tiny USB stick. Gone are the days of swapping cassettes or discs whilst driving.
It’s all so much easier.
What gets me and I don’t now the age demographic here. I’m an old one on here and have lived with physical media all my life and it’s such a joy not have to anymore.
But is it the younger ones that don’t like this all digital media.

Wow I’m all digital but never realised the digital market had that high percentages of game sales.

There you go, it’s happening quicker than I ever thought it would, the all digital age.

A digital life I have been living for at least 5 years now is brilliant I love it.

Films, music and games. No physical stuff hanging around taking up space. No swapping physical items in and out to play.
In the car it’s great all my music on a tiny USB stick. Gone are the days of swapping cassettes or discs whilst driving.
It’s all so much easier.

What gets me and I don’t now the age demographic here. I’m an old one on here and have lived with physical media all my life and it’s such a joy not have to anymore.
But is it the younger ones that don’t like this all digital media.

Spider man, spider man, he spins a web
And makes money where he can.

Same guy that said just before this generation consoles released, there would be a reduction in big quality expensive AAA games.
He got that right.

The issue unlike with the PS4 pro you had a 4K resolution that you had not seen before.
With this new generation PS5 you can get the high resolution and actually see it and use but at 30fps.
The Pro is just giving you that with an upscaled at 60fps.
But you still have that 30fps mode with that Pro resolution on the PS5.
Which you did not have with the PS4 to the PS4 Pro.

Best GUI is now the Nintendo Switch.
PS5 is getting a bit cluttered now.
Xbox not that good at all.

@Member_the_game
Yep I shall be ready for action to preorder one as long as the release games including some big AAA from Nintendo. Should be a new Mario 3d platform game, it will be a least 7 years and 6 months since the last new Mario 3d platform game.
They don’t make them as quick as they used to nowadays 🤣

@Member_the_game
I think with the Switch 2 you will have to be very quick preorder wise.
Then again the time Nintendo release the dam thing they should have about 100 million in stock 🤣

@Member_the_game
They still taking preorders for PS5 Pro at the minute.

@Member_the_game
I remember those days and also you could do the same for certain games.
Remember doing it for GTA V many many years ago.

They have stopped taking orders for PS5 Pro as well now. Wonder if they have buggered that up as well.

Anyone else having trouble getting on the PS Direct UK site, sticks you in queue and it’s been like that for a good few days now?

@HonestHick
I think I take it a bit less to heart nowadays.
You know me, I have written some dam harsh things on here and Pure Xbox about Microsoft and Sony but it wasn’t doing me any good.

I was especially so passionate about Xbox, you know I have been with them since day one original Xbox and what Microsoft have done with Xbox now really did get to me.
I wanted and still do Xbox to be Xbox and all its studio games to be Xbox console exclusive, even COD and take the fight to Sony and become an equal to Sony console sales wise.
Both keeping each other at the top of their game.

But now I just think it is what it is because Microsoft doesn’t care about it so why should I, if they want to slowly kill off the Xbox console there is nothing I can do about.
Being honest though, it still hurts me.

@HonestHick
I think these articles get published and pounced upon because a good few rumours have come true when Xbox is concerned.
And I think nothing would surprise me that Microsoft would do with Xbox.

It’s Microsoft’s approach and every month changing strategy that stoked these articles and rumours.

I mean look at Phil not long ago INDY game is not coming to PlayStation, then we all know what happened a few months later.
This is why these rumours get some credibility, right or wrong, because of Microsoft with Xbox.

@HonestHick
How you buddy, it’s all getting a bit heated on this article.
I say this, us gamers are better off with console competition so it keeps Sony in check as they are already getting a bit controlling as they have most of the console market to themselves.

It will be us that suffers in the long run.

I guess the one good thing if it totally happens is all Xbox studio games on PS5 as well as all PlayStation studio games and then of course third party games.
This means only having to buy one console and one eco system, which of course saves you about £500 console wise as an initial cost outlay.

Now we just need to get Nintendo on board. 🤣

You have to look at Microsoft’s overall strategy and realise the potential death of the Xbox console is totally down to them 100%.

If you actually paid someone to kill the Xbox console off, they probably could not have done a better job than Microsoft are doing.

I think the series x is a better base console than the PS5, better form factor and things like quick resume etc and slightly more powerful, but the power has never really been seen as Xbox development is for all devices and they don’t micro management their studios.

@IOI
Totally agree with you, good competition is good for us gamers. This is not ideal for us if Xbox consoles go down.

I think outside of the USA and the UK, the only big European country that seems to buy Xbox, I don’t think they sell that many.

However it is a dam shame, if nothing else Xbox console competition helps keep Sony in check.
We all know what they can be like the Sony top dogs and they don’t need any superior being like moments.

Great game with at lot of love and thought put into it.
Would be great to have a sequel in the future.
Well deserved meta 92%.

@Titntin
Thank you for your great explanation and summary.

Yes I got my x95l 65 for £1400 at Costco with five years warranty a good few months ago, so got a good deal there. It’s one hell of a TV upscaling and especially that Sony motion.

I will keep my preorder and buy the PS5 Pro because like you said it will probably upscale a little better and it’s the other plus things as well.

I’m expecting not much at this stage but better next year and going forward when a game being developed can take more of an advantage, maybe Ghost of T 2 probably.

Also I really can’t game at 30fps it seems so smeary when panning around compared to 60fps even at a lower resolution the panning is so much clearer.

Actually playing dead space remake at the moment and even that in performance 60fps mode is dam smooth and the TV upscales it really nicely.

We are definitely entering more than ever the point of diminishing returns.

@Titntin
Have a great and safe journey 😊